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Post by calcio on Jun 12, 2023 14:27:28 GMT
It’s all just one big bore fest. Would love to see if Pep could win the league with 3 or 4 academy players in the side every week. Lewis, Palmer & Foden lets say. He’s done it at 3 clubs with the unlimited resources, interesting to see how he’d do testing himself with the home grown lads in the side as regulars. Indeed. I'd like to see him try and win a CL with Porto and Inter, I mean he couldn't even manage to with Bayern, the managers before and after him managed it. I'd like to see him win a Bundesliga with Dortmund 2 years on the trot breaking the dominance of Bayern, or win a CL and league title with Liverpool. I'd like to see him win a double in his 1st season not finish 3rd. I'd like to see him take over a side who had just finished 10th and win them a title. I'd like to see him win 3 consecutive back to back CLs. I'd like to see him win a CL within 6 months not 6 years. That's what Mourinho, Klopp, Ancelotti, Conte, Zidane and Tuchel have done,then I might give him more credit, but he hasn't had to do any hard graft, winning trophies at Barca who were already winning them under Rijkaard, failing to win a CL with Bayern when the managers before and after him did what he couldn't do so he jumped ship because he couldn't hack it, then taking 6 years to win it with Man City and even then he did everything he could to mess it up by dropping Kyle Walker for no reason whatsoever and only managed to scrape a win because a far inferior Inter side with far less recourses managed to miss 2 absolute sitters. Just like he did against Chelsea by dropping Rodri for no reason. He's nowhere near to going down as the best in history. Absolute nonsense. This brown nosing of Pep is absurd. People are being completely brainwashed. All very lovely, but do you actually watch the football Man City play? (Or any football?) |
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Post by Gastafari on Jun 12, 2023 14:36:32 GMT
Indeed. I'd like to see him try and win a CL with Porto and Inter, I mean he couldn't even manage to with Bayern, the managers before and after him managed it. I'd like to see him win a Bundesliga with Dortmund 2 years on the trot breaking the dominance of Bayern, or win a CL and league title with Liverpool. I'd like to see him win a double in his 1st season not finish 3rd. I'd like to see him take over a side who had just finished 10th and win them a title. I'd like to see him win 3 consecutive back to back CLs. I'd like to see him win a CL within 6 months not 6 years. That's what Mourinho, Klopp, Ancelotti, Conte, Zidane and Tuchel have done,then I might give him more credit, but he hasn't had to do any hard graft, winning trophies at Barca who were already winning them under Rijkaard, failing to win a CL with Bayern when the managers before and after him did what he couldn't do so he jumped ship because he couldn't hack it, then taking 6 years to win it with Man City and even then he did everything he could to mess it up by dropping Kyle Walker for no reason whatsoever and only managed to scrape a win because a far inferior Inter side with far less recourses managed to miss 2 absolute sitters. Just like he did against Chelsea by dropping Rodri for no reason. He's nowhere near to going down as the best in history. Absolute nonsense. This brown nosing of Pep is absurd. People are being completely brainwashed. All very lovely, but do you actually watch the football Man City play? (Or any football?) Ah that's another one of the myths from Pep brown nosers. Reinventing the wheel. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 12, 2023 14:44:59 GMT
It’s all just one big bore fest. Would love to see if Pep could win the league with 3 or 4 academy players in the side every week. Lewis, Palmer & Foden lets say. He’s done it at 3 clubs with the unlimited resources, interesting to see how he’d do testing himself with the home grown lads in the side as regulars. Indeed. I'd like to see him try and win a CL with Porto and Inter, I mean he couldn't even manage to with Bayern, the managers before and after him managed it. I'd like to see him win a Bundesliga with Dortmund 2 years on the trot breaking the dominance of Bayern, or win a CL and league title with Liverpool. I'd like to see him win a double in his 1st season not finish 3rd. I'd like to see him take over a side who had just finished 10th and win them a title. I'd like to see him win 3 consecutive back to back CLs. I'd like to see him win a CL within 6 months not 6 years. That's what Mourinho, Klopp, Ancelotti, Conte, Zidane and Tuchel have done,then I might give him more credit, but he hasn't had to do any hard graft, winning trophies at Barca who were already winning them under Rijkaard, failing to win a CL with Bayern when the managers before and after him did what he couldn't do so he jumped ship because he couldn't hack it, then taking 6 years to win it with Man City and even then he did everything he could to mess it up by dropping Kyle Walker for no reason whatsoever and only managed to scrape a win because a far inferior Inter side with far less recourses managed to miss 2 absolute sitters. Just like he did against Chelsea by dropping Rodri for no reason. He's nowhere near to going down as the best in history. Absolute nonsense. This brown nosing of Pep is absurd. People are being completely brainwashed. Not a Man City fan then? 😉 Replying to both your posts: I had to chuckle when you seem to judge every manager on European Cup wins and therefore imply that Pep is a lesser manager than Mourinho, Conte, Rijkaard and even Di Matteo and Clough and Ferguson. I suspect if you asked Roma fans, Spurs fans or Barcelona fans not many would agree. (although of course that doesn’t make you wrong) Pretty sure being a manager is more than just the European Cup but perhaps it’s not for you. And I don’t think he walked out on Bayern M, as you said. His 3 year contract ended so he left after saying consistently for three years he would leave at the end of his contract Preferring Nathan Ake to Walker was a fair selection. Ake has been their most consistent player all season and deserved his place and in the final didn’t put a foot wrong. As for him having it easy and taking over teams with good players, I think you’ve missed the point. All the top teams have top players. But how many players at Man U, Chelsea, Spurs (under Conte) have been improved by their managers? Not many I’d suggest whereas Pep by the admission of the players and the opinions of most pundits, rival managers etc has improved most players who he has coached. Nearly all the players that Chelsea, Man U have bought recently have got worse rather than better whereas the players Pep inherited were good but have also improved under Guardiola. Which makes him one of the best and most influential of managers. All the managers you mentioned were good managers but I doubt they have been as influential as Pep G. Still it’s good to read different views it helps to put things in context and realise how good he really is.👍 UTG! |
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Post by calcio on Jun 12, 2023 14:51:07 GMT
All very lovely, but do you actually watch the football Man City play? (Or any football?) Ah that's another one of the myths from Pep brown nosers. Reinventing the wheel. That'll be No, then. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jun 12, 2023 15:11:44 GMT
Indeed. I'd like to see him try and win a CL with Porto and Inter, I mean he couldn't even manage to with Bayern, the managers before and after him managed it. I'd like to see him win a Bundesliga with Dortmund 2 years on the trot breaking the dominance of Bayern, or win a CL and league title with Liverpool. I'd like to see him win a double in his 1st season not finish 3rd. I'd like to see him take over a side who had just finished 10th and win them a title. I'd like to see him win 3 consecutive back to back CLs. I'd like to see him win a CL within 6 months not 6 years. That's what Mourinho, Klopp, Ancelotti, Conte, Zidane and Tuchel have done,then I might give him more credit, but he hasn't had to do any hard graft, winning trophies at Barca who were already winning them under Rijkaard, failing to win a CL with Bayern when the managers before and after him did what he couldn't do so he jumped ship because he couldn't hack it, then taking 6 years to win it with Man City and even then he did everything he could to mess it up by dropping Kyle Walker for no reason whatsoever and only managed to scrape a win because a far inferior Inter side with far less recourses managed to miss 2 absolute sitters. Just like he did against Chelsea by dropping Rodri for no reason. He's nowhere near to going down as the best in history. Absolute nonsense. This brown nosing of Pep is absurd. People are being completely brainwashed. Not a Man City fan then? 😉 Replying to both your posts: I had to chuckle when you seem to judge every manager on European Cup wins and therefore imply that Pep is a lesser manager than Mourinho, Conte, Rijkaard and even Di Matteo and Clough and Ferguson. I suspect if you asked Roma fans, Spurs fans or Barcelona fans not many would agree. (although of course that doesn’t make you wrong) Pretty sure being a manager is more than just the European Cup but perhaps it’s not for you. And I don’t think he walked out on Bayern M, as you said. His 3 year contract ended so he left after saying consistently for three years he would leave at the end of his contract Preferring Nathan Ake to Walker was a fair selection. Ake has been their most consistent player all season and deserved his place and in the final didn’t put a foot wrong. As for him having it easy and taking over teams with good players, I think you’ve missed the point. All the top teams have top players. But how many players at Man U, Chelsea, Spurs (under Conte) have been improved by their managers? Not many I’d suggest whereas Pep by the admission of the players and the opinions of most pundits, rival managers etc has improved most players who he has coached. Nearly all the players that Chelsea, Man U have bought recently have got worse rather than better whereas the players Pep inherited were good but have also improved under Guardiola. Which makes him one of the best and most influential of managers. All the managers you mentioned were good managers but I doubt they have been as influential as Pep G. Still it’s good to read different views it helps to put things in context and realise how good he really is.👍 UTG! Well I haven't just judged them on European Cup wins, I mentioned the European Cup wins because those other managers won the leagues as well as the European Cups with clubs that you wouldn't expect them too. Whereas Pep actually failed at one of the Worlds biggest clubs, where Jupp Huynkes before him and Hansi Flick after him managed to do what he couldn't do. Jupp Huynkes actually won a quadruple. And at Barca, Frank Rijkaard was also doing the same. Brian Clough won league titles at both Derby and Forest, and also 2 European Cups at Forest too. Fergie broke the dominance of Rangers and Celtic, with Aberdeen the last person to ever do it and also won a European Trophy with them as well, beating the biggest club in the World Real Madrid in the Final. Then went to Man Utd who were struggling and hadn't won a league title for 20 years and turned them into giants Sir Bobby managed Ipswich to finishing in the top 2 of the top flight and winning them domestic and European trophies. They clearly far outweigh Peps achievements, as do the other managers I've mentioned. I mean John Terry,Ricardo Carvalho,Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard, Michael Essien, Joe Cole, Florence Malouda,Didier Drogba etc didn't improve under Mourinho and Ancelotti at Chelsea? Carvalho, Deco etc didn't improve under Mourinho at Porto either? The same with Matterazi, Sneijder, Diego Milito etc at Inter? Of course they did. Cristiano Ronaldos best seasons came under Mourinho as well. Ancelotti didn't improve Benzema? Vinicius? And a host of others? Jurgen Klopp hasn't improved VVD, Robertson, Henderson, Salah, Mane or Firmiho has he? Conte has improved many players, he transformed Victor Moses into a title winning Wing Back.... I could go on. Yet another myth that Pep Guardiola is the only manager that can improve players. Absolute nonsense. They have been far more influential than Pep Guardiola that's why they've won trophies with the teams they have, against the odds. Pep hasn't achieved anything like that. 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Post by rememberhalifax on Jun 12, 2023 15:14:35 GMT
Very difficult to compare managers a) from different decades, b)different clubs and their expectations, e.g. can you compare Pep winning the Prem with the managers of Brighton, Fulham, Brentford etc achieving what for their clubs were exceptional levels? There is no doubt Pep has always had the best players to work with, then you have someone like the Luton manager, getting FG promoted and taking Luton to the Prem, fantastic achievement , then we have someone like MR Warnock, what a great man manager he must be and that's the hardest skill of all, then again in Peps favour you can see the improvement in Jack Grealish since going to City, a much better all round player now, also i have not seen many, if any, better 45mins than City ,1st half, against Real . the debate goes on !
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Post by Gastafari on Jun 12, 2023 15:48:48 GMT
Ah that's another one of the myths from Pep brown nosers. Reinventing the wheel. That'll be No, then. Why don't you try and refute some of my points? Maybe you can't? Yeah Man City play good Football, as did Barca, but when you've inherited one of, in some peoples eyes the very best player of all time in Messi and also two of the finest midfielders certainly of the last 30 years in Xavi and Iniesta it'll be pretty hard to not play good Football. Frank Rijkaards football wasn't bad for the same reason. I'd argue that the Utd team under Fergie around 07/08 played far better Football than this City team. I'd also argue that Ancelotti's Chelsea team did as well. |
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Post by calcio on Jun 12, 2023 16:21:23 GMT
I'm happy for you to think you've 'won the argument'.
It seems to matter to you.
Statistics and comparisons mean nothing to me.
I am only interested in the style of football played.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 12, 2023 16:47:35 GMT
Not a Man City fan then? 😉 Replying to both your posts: I had to chuckle when you seem to judge every manager on European Cup wins and therefore imply that Pep is a lesser manager than Mourinho, Conte, Rijkaard and even Di Matteo and Clough and Ferguson. I suspect if you asked Roma fans, Spurs fans or Barcelona fans not many would agree. (although of course that doesn’t make you wrong) Pretty sure being a manager is more than just the European Cup but perhaps it’s not for you. And I don’t think he walked out on Bayern M, as you said. His 3 year contract ended so he left after saying consistently for three years he would leave at the end of his contract Preferring Nathan Ake to Walker was a fair selection. Ake has been their most consistent player all season and deserved his place and in the final didn’t put a foot wrong. As for him having it easy and taking over teams with good players, I think you’ve missed the point. All the top teams have top players. But how many players at Man U, Chelsea, Spurs (under Conte) have been improved by their managers? Not many I’d suggest whereas Pep by the admission of the players and the opinions of most pundits, rival managers etc has improved most players who he has coached. Nearly all the players that Chelsea, Man U have bought recently have got worse rather than better whereas the players Pep inherited were good but have also improved under Guardiola. Which makes him one of the best and most influential of managers. All the managers you mentioned were good managers but I doubt they have been as influential as Pep G. Still it’s good to read different views it helps to put things in context and realise how good he really is.👍 UTG! Well I haven't just judged them on European Cup wins, I mentioned the European Cup wins because those other managers won the leagues as well as the European Cups with clubs that you wouldn't expect them too. Whereas Pep actually failed at one of the Worlds biggest clubs, where Jupp Huynkes before him and Hansi Flick after him managed to do what he couldn't do. Jupp Huynkes actually won a quadruple. And at Barca, Frank Rijkaard was also doing the same. Brian Clough won league titles at both Derby and Forest, and also 2 European Cups at Forest too. Fergie broke the dominance of Rangers and Celtic, with Aberdeen the last person to ever do it and also won a European Trophy with them as well, beating the biggest club in the World Real Madrid in the Final. Then went to Man Utd who were struggling and hadn't won a league title for 20 years and turned them into giants Sir Bobby managed Ipswich to finishing in the top 2 of the top flight and winning them domestic and European trophies. They clearly far outweigh Peps achievements, as do the other managers I've mentioned. I mean John Terry,Ricardo Carvalho,Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard, Michael Essien, Joe Cole, Florence Malouda,Didier Drogba etc didn't improve under Mourinho and Ancelotti at Chelsea? Carvalho, Deco etc didn't improve under Mourinho at Porto either? The same with Matterazi, Sneijder, Diego Milito etc at Inter? Of course they did. Cristiano Ronaldos best seasons came under Mourinho as well. Ancelotti didn't improve Benzema? Vinicius? And a host of others? Jurgen Klopp hasn't improved VVD, Robertson, Henderson, Salah, Mane or Firmiho has he? Conte has improved many players, he transformed Victor Moses into a title winning Wing Back.... I could go on. Yet another myth that Pep Guardiola is the only manager that can improve players. Absolute nonsense.They have been far more influential than Pep Guardiola that's why they've won trophies with the teams they have, against the odds. Pep hasn't achieved anything like that. Just proving my point of the complete overhyping and brown nosing of him. Don’t be daft, where have I said Pep G is the only manager who can improve players? I’ve talked many times about Eddie Howe who, like Pep, improves players. But at the very top level Conte and Mourinho haven’t improved anyone for years. I did take you seriously until you’ve just said Ancelotti, Klopp and Conte have been far more influential. Ancelotti has been a fantastic manager and anyone could make a case for him but Klopp or Conte? Nowhere near as influential, imo. But that’s the attraction isn’t it, opinions differ. 😉 You seem to like the idea of calling people out for “brown nosing” Peo G which is a tad disrespectful for those with another opinion. Perhaps an alternative opinion is looking at the recent evidence and judging from that. Heigh ho. UTG! |
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Post by Gastafari on Jun 12, 2023 17:11:19 GMT
Well I haven't just judged them on European Cup wins, I mentioned the European Cup wins because those other managers won the leagues as well as the European Cups with clubs that you wouldn't expect them too. Whereas Pep actually failed at one of the Worlds biggest clubs, where Jupp Huynkes before him and Hansi Flick after him managed to do what he couldn't do. Jupp Huynkes actually won a quadruple. And at Barca, Frank Rijkaard was also doing the same. Brian Clough won league titles at both Derby and Forest, and also 2 European Cups at Forest too. Fergie broke the dominance of Rangers and Celtic, with Aberdeen the last person to ever do it and also won a European Trophy with them as well, beating the biggest club in the World Real Madrid in the Final. Then went to Man Utd who were struggling and hadn't won a league title for 20 years and turned them into giants Sir Bobby managed Ipswich to finishing in the top 2 of the top flight and winning them domestic and European trophies. They clearly far outweigh Peps achievements, as do the other managers I've mentioned. I mean John Terry,Ricardo Carvalho,Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard, Michael Essien, Joe Cole, Florence Malouda,Didier Drogba etc didn't improve under Mourinho and Ancelotti at Chelsea? Carvalho, Deco etc didn't improve under Mourinho at Porto either? The same with Matterazi, Sneijder, Diego Milito etc at Inter? Of course they did. Cristiano Ronaldos best seasons came under Mourinho as well. Ancelotti didn't improve Benzema? Vinicius? And a host of others? Jurgen Klopp hasn't improved VVD, Robertson, Henderson, Salah, Mane or Firmiho has he? Conte has improved many players, he transformed Victor Moses into a title winning Wing Back.... I could go on. Yet another myth that Pep Guardiola is the only manager that can improve players. Absolute nonsense.They have been far more influential than Pep Guardiola that's why they've won trophies with the teams they have, against the odds. Pep hasn't achieved anything like that. Just proving my point of the complete overhyping and brown nosing of him. Don’t be daft, where have I said Pep G is the only manager who can improve players? I’ve talked many times about Eddie Howe who, like Pep, improves players. But at the very top level Conte and Mourinho haven’t improved anyone for years. I did take you seriously until you’ve just said Ancelotti, Klopp and Conte have been far more influential. Ancelotti has been a fantastic manager and anyone could make a case for him but Klopp or Conte? Nowhere near as influential, imo. But that’s the attraction isn’t it, opinions differ. 😉 You seem to like the idea of calling people out for “brown nosing” Peo G which is a tad disrespectful for those with another opinion. Perhaps an alternative opinion is looking at the recent evidence and judging from that. Heigh ho. UTG! Conte and Mourinho haven't improved anybody for years? Lukaku who is an absolute carthorse, and was an overweight mess, scored 64 goals in 90 games under Conte at Inter. Mourinho has gone to Roma and improved all their players instantly and took them to 2 European Finals in the 2 years he's been there, a club who haven't won anything for nearly 20 years. You can't make a case for Klopp really? He won back to back Bundesligas with Borussia Dortmund. Breaking the dominance of Bayern. Bayern Munich have won the last 11 in a row! He then went to Liverpool, who hadn't won a league title for 30 years, he goes on and wins it with Liverpool and a CL. He's again broken the dominance of Man City in this country and run them extremely close on 2 other occasions with far less resources. Are you being serious? Antonio Conte took over a team that had just finished 10th and within 9 months turned them into champions. Far more influential and far better achievements pound for pound than Pep Guardiolas. That's why I said I'd love to see Pep do those things, then I may change my mind about all the brown nosing. People have got their tongues so far up his arse they can lick his lungs 🙂 All I've done is list facts based on the evidence👍 |
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Post by Gastafari on Jun 12, 2023 17:28:02 GMT
I'm happy for you to think you've 'won the argument'. It seems to matter to you. Statistics and comparisons mean nothing to me. I am only interested in the style of football played. I'm not thinking I've won the argument, I'm just providing one, I was just hoping you would provide one too. Instead of just pointless quips. |
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Post by oliverhelmet on Jun 12, 2023 17:48:53 GMT
Just got round to watching the full game.Thought Inter where your typical old fashioned Italian side,nothing from them offensively until they went behind but extremely tough tactically and physically to break down.Deserved win for Man City,could of been a goal or 2 up at halftime and definitely the better side for me.Pleased for their fans who must have taken terrible stick from Utd followers for donkeys years.
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Post by eric on Jun 12, 2023 18:03:06 GMT
Just got round to watching the full game.Thought Inter where your typical old fashioned Italian side,nothing from them offensively until they went behind but extremely tough tactically and physically to break down.Deserved win for Man City,could of been a goal or 2 up at halftime and definitely the better side for me.Pleased for their fans who must have taken terrible stick from Utd followers for donkeys years. They’ve deserved this treble, not just for this season but for their superb style of football for many years now under Pep. It’s great to see a manager who improves players so much and wins playing in such an attacking style. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jun 12, 2023 18:05:31 GMT
Their net spend is less than Man United's over the last ten years. No doubting they over spent early on, but they had a lot of catching up to do. Over the last few years, they have been a well run club, selling players at the right time and reinvesting the money. How much did Chelsea spend during one year and he did they do? I'm glad they won, will shut up a lot of the jealous fans of big clubs, who just say, they will never win the champions league. Especially Man United fans, who moan they buy the league, even though they spend less. Then they also moan they want the Glazers out and want someone who will spend more money. Their net spend would be lower though, as Pep rocked up when their greatest players and the whole spine of the team was already ready made. Kompany, Fernandinho, De Bruyne, David Silva and Aguero were there already. Look how much they're spending now they're having to replace a few. You can't really compare it to Man Utd or Chelsea, completely different scenarios. I find the overhyping of Pep and Man City nauseating. Pep is not in the same league as Clough, Fergie or even Sir Bobby,his peers achievments far outweigh his too imo. He took over a ready made Barcelona team with Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Ronaldinho in it, where Frank Rijkaard was already winning CL's and league titles, he failed at Bayern where the managers before him and after him, Jupp Heynkes and Hansi Flick did what he couldn't do and won the CL so he jumped ship because he couldn't handle the pressure and he took over City when their best ever players and the spine of the team we're already there too. Wow he's won the same amount of CL's in the last 10 years as Roberto Di Matteo and he hasn't even been a manager for 7 years!! Zidane x3, Ancelotti x2, Luis Enrique, Klopp and Tuchel have all won in that time. Plus lets just brush under the carpet the 115 breaches hanging over them...That's not made up. The Brown nosing of Pep and this Man City team is absurd and nauseous. Out of the players you listed, I don't think they received money for any of them, so how does that help his net spend😂. They finished 4th the season before he arrived and a lot of the squad were aging. Apart from Haarland, not many players were top players when he signed them. No disputing that he's a top coach and manager. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jun 12, 2023 18:17:04 GMT
Their net spend would be lower though, as Pep rocked up when their greatest players and the whole spine of the team was already ready made. Kompany, Fernandinho, De Bruyne, David Silva and Aguero were there already. Look how much they're spending now they're having to replace a few. You can't really compare it to Man Utd or Chelsea, completely different scenarios. I find the overhyping of Pep and Man City nauseating. Pep is not in the same league as Clough, Fergie or even Sir Bobby,his peers achievments far outweigh his too imo. He took over a ready made Barcelona team with Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Ronaldinho in it, where Frank Rijkaard was already winning CL's and league titles, he failed at Bayern where the managers before him and after him, Jupp Heynkes and Hansi Flick did what he couldn't do and won the CL so he jumped ship because he couldn't handle the pressure and he took over City when their best ever players and the spine of the team we're already there too. Wow he's won the same amount of CL's in the last 10 years as Roberto Di Matteo and he hasn't even been a manager for 7 years!! Zidane x3, Ancelotti x2, Luis Enrique, Klopp and Tuchel have all won in that time. Plus lets just brush under the carpet the 115 breaches hanging over them...That's not made up. The Brown nosing of Pep and this Man City team is absurd and nauseous. Out of the players you listed, I don't think they received money for any of them, so how does that help his net spend😂. They finished 4th the season before he arrived and a lot of the squad were aging. Apart from Haarland, not many players were top players when he signed them. No disputing that he's a top coach and manager. Because he didn't have to sign most of the team for 4+ years. Not rocket science. I haven't said he's a poor manager, but given his resources at every club he's been at he should be winning things. All I've stated is that he shouldn't be lauded as some sort of genius or the greatest manager ever, imo he's nowhere near it. Winning the big trophies at other clubs like Mourinho, Ancelotti, Klopp, Conte, Tuchel etc have done are far bigger achievements than Pep has ever achieved imo. He's certainly not in the same league as Clough, Fergie or Bobby Robson. Plus the 115 breaches hanging over them which people seem to be willing to sweep under the carpet while they relentlessly praise Pep. Just find it a bit absurd. May as well give all Lance Armstrongs Tour De France medals back 🙂 |
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Post by The Equaliser on Jun 12, 2023 18:18:17 GMT
Whatever your opinion - Incredible manager, incredible team. A joy to watch. Pep has changed the game.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 12, 2023 18:41:26 GMT
Out of the players you listed, I don't think they received money for any of them, so how does that help his net spend😂. They finished 4th the season before he arrived and a lot of the squad were aging. Apart from Haarland, not many players were top players when he signed them. No disputing that he's a top coach and manager. Because he didn't have to sign most of the team for 4+ years. Not rocket science. I haven't said he's a poor manager, but given his resources at every club he's been at he should be winning things. All I've stated is that he shouldn't be lauded as some sort of genius or the greatest manager ever, imo he's nowhere near it. Winning the big trophies at other clubs like Mourinho, Ancelotti, Klopp, Conte, Tuchel etc have done are far bigger achievements than Pep has ever achieved imo. He's certainly not in the same league as Clough, Fergie or Bobby Robson.Plus the 115 breaches hanging over them which people seem to be willing to sweep under the carpet while they relentlessly praise Pep. Just find it a bit absurd. May as well give all Lance Armstrongs Tour De France medals back 🙂 Blimey! Not sure anyone’s called him a genius, I certainly haven’t. (But he is of course!) ”Not in the same league as ……..” Now I know you’re on a wind-up. Of course he’s as good as those. He’s done it and kept doing it. Managers you’ve mentioned are all top performing managers who’ve enjoyed success. To try and denigrate Guardiola is very strange. You are allowed to believe more than one manager can be excellent without running down others. But you are right……absurd. UTG! |
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Post by Gastafari on Jun 12, 2023 19:07:17 GMT
Because he didn't have to sign most of the team for 4+ years. Not rocket science. I haven't said he's a poor manager, but given his resources at every club he's been at he should be winning things. All I've stated is that he shouldn't be lauded as some sort of genius or the greatest manager ever, imo he's nowhere near it. Winning the big trophies at other clubs like Mourinho, Ancelotti, Klopp, Conte, Tuchel etc have done are far bigger achievements than Pep has ever achieved imo. He's certainly not in the same league as Clough, Fergie or Bobby Robson.Plus the 115 breaches hanging over them which people seem to be willing to sweep under the carpet while they relentlessly praise Pep. Just find it a bit absurd. May as well give all Lance Armstrongs Tour De France medals back 🙂 Blimey! Not sure anyone’s called him a genius, I certainly haven’t. (But he is of course!) ”Not in the same league as ……..” Now I know you’re on a wind-up. Of course he’s as good as those. He’s done it and kept doing it. Managers you’ve mentioned are all top performing managers who’ve enjoyed success. To try and denigrate Guardiola is very strange. You are allowed to believe more than one manager can be excellent without running down others. But you are right……absurd. UTG! Have you been under a rock? Multiple people have called him a genius, several times in the CL coverage itself. He's not as good as those. As I've mentioned already if he can take clubs from the 2nd Division like Derby and Forest who had never won anything before and win them league titles and European Cups like Brian Clough did. If he can take a club like Ipswich to domestic and European success like Bobby Robson did. If he can break the Old Firm dominance in Scotland and win European Trophies with a club like Aberdeen, and then come to England to a club who hadn't won a league title for 20 years and turn them into a giant at Man Utd like Fergie did then you may have a point. He hasn't though has he? I mean even if he could go to a club who hadn't won a league title in 30 years like Liverpool and win them a league title like Klopp did too would probably sway my opinion. Again I haven't tried to denigrate Pep Guardiola, just stating facts as to why he shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Clough, Fergie or Bobby Robson certainly, and that other managers achievements far outweigh his, pound for pound. By the exact same logic haven't you also tried to denigrate those other managers? Those managers also haven't had 115 breaches over their heads. I Just find the hype over Pep way over the top, absurd indeed! |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jun 12, 2023 20:31:08 GMT
Out of the players you listed, I don't think they received money for any of them, so how does that help his net spend😂. They finished 4th the season before he arrived and a lot of the squad were aging. Apart from Haarland, not many players were top players when he signed them. No disputing that he's a top coach and manager. Because he didn't have to sign most of the team for 4+ years. Not rocket science. I haven't said he's a poor manager, but given his resources at every club he's been at he should be winning things. All I've stated is that he shouldn't be lauded as some sort of genius or the greatest manager ever, imo he's nowhere near it. Winning the big trophies at other clubs like Mourinho, Ancelotti, Klopp, Conte, Tuchel etc have done are far bigger achievements than Pep has ever achieved imo. He's certainly not in the same league as Clough, Fergie or Bobby Robson. Plus the 115 breaches hanging over them which people seem to be willing to sweep under the carpet while they relentlessly praise Pep. Just find it a bit absurd. May as well give all Lance Armstrongs Tour De France medals back 🙂 Only one of those players are still there, so he had to replace them. Without receiving any money for them. So they don't come into his net spend. If they were still there, you would have a point. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jun 12, 2023 20:43:12 GMT
Because he didn't have to sign most of the team for 4+ years. Not rocket science. I haven't said he's a poor manager, but given his resources at every club he's been at he should be winning things. All I've stated is that he shouldn't be lauded as some sort of genius or the greatest manager ever, imo he's nowhere near it. Winning the big trophies at other clubs like Mourinho, Ancelotti, Klopp, Conte, Tuchel etc have done are far bigger achievements than Pep has ever achieved imo. He's certainly not in the same league as Clough, Fergie or Bobby Robson. Plus the 115 breaches hanging over them which people seem to be willing to sweep under the carpet while they relentlessly praise Pep. Just find it a bit absurd. May as well give all Lance Armstrongs Tour De France medals back 🙂 Only one of those players are still there, so he had to replace them. Without receiving any money for them. So they don't come into his net spend. If they were still there, you would have a point. That is my point. Guardiola didn't have to spend as much as certain clubs for 4 years because the spine of the team was already there. Kompany, Fernandinho, De Bruyne, David Silva Sterling and Aguero He didn't have to completely rebuild a team straight from the off. So it does count in his overall spend, net or otherwise. |
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