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Post by simon1883 on Oct 29, 2023 8:33:59 GMT
I mean I find it quite funny that you’re going to write the new owners off after *checks notes* 2 months but wanted to give a bloke who’s been diabolical for us in this division for over 70 games more time. They haven't been around for 2 months. Even in their first interview they claimed they were working with Wael on the FM. Why has it suddenly dawned on us to not go through with it. Not writing them off, but saying they are "filling in" stands doesn't fill me with confidence. I hope it was poor english, which is fine, and what we end up with is something that would look respectable in 20 years. We've won again today with Joeys side. This is second season back in league 1. What does the 56 other games have to do with this season, nothing. Correct. We have won with the players he and his team recruited. But he’s not been good enough despite the backing. It really is that simple. The only way the JB trade off works is when you’re doing well as you can hide him behind the football. That interview was clear - people in the club now and in the future will be expected to have very high standards. Nothing wrong with that. Unless you’re in the club currently and not really doing a lot… |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 29, 2023 9:22:32 GMT
He's right mate. Keep believing we are going to redevelop the Mem into something fitting of 21st century. This patch up job is exactly the sort of thing why the Teds endlessly have the last laugh at us. FFS. Who cares about them? If they are so great and everything they do is so perfect compared to us, why aren't they tearing up the prem? They are about 20 places above us in the pyramid for all their greatness. |
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Post by olskooltoteender on Oct 29, 2023 10:28:03 GMT
He's right mate. Keep believing we are going to redevelop the Mem into something fitting of 21st century. This patch up job is exactly the sort of thing why the Teds endlessly have the last laugh at us. FFS. Who cares about them? If they are so great and everything they do is so perfect compared to us, why aren't they tearing up the prem? They are about 20 places above us in the pyramid for all their greatness. Exactly - and all they really did was patch up AG - they redeveloped it one side at a time . . . |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 29, 2023 10:34:20 GMT
They haven't been around for 2 months. Even in their first interview they claimed they were working with Wael on the FM. Why has it suddenly dawned on us to not go through with it. Not writing them off, but saying they are "filling in" stands doesn't fill me with confidence. I hope it was poor english, which is fine, and what we end up with is something that would look respectable in 20 years. We've won again today with Joeys side. This is second season back in league 1. What does the 56 other games have to do with this season, nothing. Correct. We have won with the players he and his team recruited. But he’s not been good enough despite the backing. It really is that simple. The only way the JB trade off works is when you’re doing well as you can hide him behind the football. That interview was clear - people in the club now and in the future will be expected to have very high standards. Nothing wrong with that. Unless you’re in the club currently and not really doing a lot… The owner also said they took no notice of the Thomas etc outbursts? If Martin (or better still JCH) had signed on transfer deadline day Barton could well still be in a job. It'll be interesting to see where JB goes next and what he achieves. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 29, 2023 10:35:00 GMT
Who cares about them? If they are so great and everything they do is so perfect compared to us, why aren't they tearing up the prem? They are about 20 places above us in the pyramid for all their greatness. Exactly - and all they really did was patch up AG - they redeveloped it one side at a time . . . "patch up" is a bit of an under statement! |
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Post by singupgas on Oct 29, 2023 10:38:26 GMT
Exactly - and all they really did was patch up AG - they redeveloped it one side at a time . . . "patch up" is a bit of an under statement! I think oldskool is taking the water. We should be aiming for nothing less than that. Patching up the Mem just won't do. |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 29, 2023 11:44:22 GMT
He's right mate. Keep believing we are going to redevelop the Mem into something fitting of 21st century. This patch up job is exactly the sort of thing why the Teds endlessly have the last laugh at us. FFS. I wonder if it's the sane fans over there that laugh at stuff like this: Aslanovic Posted 20 minutes ago The atmosphere was pretty poor yesterday. Started okay, but then went flat….not helped by the performance. Sadly, the ‘atmosphere’ picked up at the train station where some morons were singing ‘Sala’s in a box’ and other offensive songs. Really embarrassing, and reflects badly on all of us. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 29, 2023 11:50:43 GMT
What was the capacity at the start of this season - about 10,000? They are looking to improve the quality of the ground and increase capacity by 60-70% and you’re writing us off as a league one/league two side forever? Why such negativity? Surely if we have a ground that can hold 17000/18000 and more importantly getting that number through the turnstiles why shouldn’t we be aiming for the top end of the championship? , the various owners have been talking about it since we moved to the Mem (and for decades before that) now it's a case of a patched up Mem. If Brentford and Luton, and more recently Oxford, can find plots of land to build a new stadium is really that difficult to find one in Bristol or S Glos? You do wonder how area around the Mem will cope with having double the crowds and, you have to assume, double the cars unless something is spent on decent park & rides etc. It's weird, the sense I get from fans is that we would like better facilities. However, those same fans say they don't want an out of town stadium as its "Plastic". Then they say, redevelopment of the current stadium shows lack of ambition and finances. When they are sat in a seat in a new stand, they will then moan that ticket prices have increased. I don't think there is a solution out there that would make everyone happy. The only downside of staying put is transport. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 29, 2023 12:55:40 GMT
Not sure building a stadium out of town necessarily makes it soulless? Apart from the jogging track the UWE looked like it might be a decent stadium, similar to Brighton's?
Transport's OK now at the Mem but what will it be like if we sell out a 16K capacity, from every local road will be residents only parking and the main roads near the ground buses only.
A good new transport system is as important as a developed ground
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Post by Gashead73 on Oct 29, 2023 14:56:28 GMT
Not sure building a stadium out of town necessarily makes it soulless? Apart from the jogging track the UWE looked like it might be a decent stadium, similar to Brighton's? Transport's OK now at the Mem but what will it be like if we sell out a 16K capacity, from every local road will be residents only parking and the main roads near the ground buses only. A good new transport system is as important as a developed ground Then surely the transport system is down to Bristol CC.....the club could potentially lay on coaches I guess |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 29, 2023 15:00:51 GMT
Not sure building a stadium out of town necessarily makes it soulless? Apart from the jogging track the UWE looked like it might be a decent stadium, similar to Brighton's? Transport's OK now at the Mem but what will it be like if we sell out a 16K capacity, from every local road will be residents only parking and the main roads near the ground buses only. A good new transport system is as important as a developed ground Then surely the transport system is down to Bristol CC.....the club could potentially lay on coaches I guess The new stand plans even include a transport plan, you can't invite 5,000 extra fans to a stadium with no plans how they are going to travel to it. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 29, 2023 15:13:02 GMT
To be fair to the new owner . It sounded like he was apologising when he said it would be a 16k stadium hopefully rising to 18K. He knows himself it won't be enough to sustain Championship football. Singupgas is quite right in what he is saying. I honestly believe we will carry on being a yoyo club between divisions 3 & 4 and in time when these owners realise we are going nowhere they will leave. What was the capacity at the start of this season - about 10,000? They are looking to improve the quality of the ground and increase capacity by 60-70% and you’re writing us off as a league one/league two side forever? Why such negativity? Surely if we have a ground that can hold 17000/18000 and more importantly getting that number through the turnstiles why shouldn’t we be aiming for the top end of the championship? I'm not sure about the Championship, but if the new owners effectively double the amount of the most expensive seating then with grants, sponsorship and concourse revenue I'm sure the cost of "temporary" stands will be recovered and turn into money makers pretty quickly. 5,000 extra seats at £25 a pop, plus a few beers and pasties over the course of the season soon mounts up and should exceed 3Million over a single season. I don't know what the cost of the South Stand is, but surely they will be turning profit after a couple of years? |
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Post by baggins on Oct 29, 2023 15:46:49 GMT
What was the capacity at the start of this season - about 10,000? They are looking to improve the quality of the ground and increase capacity by 60-70% and you’re writing us off as a league one/league two side forever? Why such negativity? Surely if we have a ground that can hold 17000/18000 and more importantly getting that number through the turnstiles why shouldn’t we be aiming for the top end of the championship? I'm not sure about the Championship, but if the new owners effectively double the amount of the most expensive seating then with grants, sponsorship and concourse revenue I'm sure the cost of "temporary" stands will be recovered and turn into money makers pretty quickly. 5,000 extra seats at £25 a pop, plus a few beers and pasties over the course of the season soon mounts up and should exceed 3Million over a single season. I don't know what the cost of the South Stand is, but surely they will be turning profit after a couple of years? Grants? Sponsorship? Concourse? Never heard of any of that. South Stand will add 2,500, estimated cost, £300k plus to build? We already lose £3 mil per year. No way the new Stand will cover that. |
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Post by Quarters on Oct 29, 2023 16:00:16 GMT
Not sure building a stadium out of town necessarily makes it soulless? Apart from the jogging track the UWE looked like it might be a decent stadium, similar to Brighton's? Transport's OK now at the Mem but what will it be like if we sell out a 16K capacity, from every local road will be residents only parking and the main roads near the ground buses only. A good new transport system is as important as a developed ground Then surely the transport system is down to Bristol CC.....the club could potentially lay on coaches I guess Needs a proper Park & Ride system. Remember Gorringe looked at "bus" travel to and from the game. I thought £5 pp from, say, Downend was too much. Especially if 2 or more in a family travelling. Park & Ride where you pay by the car would make more sense. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 29, 2023 16:05:16 GMT
I'm not sure about the Championship, but if the new owners effectively double the amount of the most expensive seating then with grants, sponsorship and concourse revenue I'm sure the cost of "temporary" stands will be recovered and turn into money makers pretty quickly. 5,000 extra seats at £25 a pop, plus a few beers and pasties over the course of the season soon mounts up and should exceed 3Million over a single season. I don't know what the cost of the South Stand is, but surely they will be turning profit after a couple of years? Grants? Sponsorship? Concourse? Never heard of any of that. South Stand will add 2,500, estimated cost, £300k plus to build? We already lose £3 mil per year. No way the new Stand will cover that. No mate, I'm on about the 3 stand project being talked about. The point I'm making is that lots of people are talking about non match day revenue, but if the new owners plans happen then at the very least we have the potential break even. As you say, we lose 3 Million a year, but 5,000 extra seats would generate at least that much and improve the ground. I can't see why people would bemoan that. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 29, 2023 16:06:36 GMT
Maybe we could introduce a scheme where showing a valid public transport ticket could get a discount in the shop or a free tea or coffee.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 29, 2023 16:09:37 GMT
Grants? Sponsorship? Concourse? Never heard of any of that. South Stand will add 2,500, estimated cost, £300k plus to build? We already lose £3 mil per year. No way the new Stand will cover that. No mate, I'm on about the 3 stand project being talked about. The point I'm making is that lots of people are talking about non match day revenue, but if the new owners plans happen then at the very least we have the potential break even. As you say, we lose 3 Million a year, but 5,000 extra seats would generate at least that much and improve the ground. I can't see why people would bemoan that. The actual cost can be set aside for the time being, it's the interest that needs servicing which is critical and that can be funded by the additional use. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 29, 2023 16:14:30 GMT
No mate, I'm on about the 3 stand project being talked about. The point I'm making is that lots of people are talking about non match day revenue, but if the new owners plans happen then at the very least we have the potential break even. As you say, we lose 3 Million a year, but 5,000 extra seats would generate at least that much and improve the ground. I can't see why people would bemoan that. The actual cost can be set aside for the time being, it's the interest that needs servicing which is critical and that can be funded by the additional use. I don't really understand why it hasn't been done before though. Maybe I am being too simplistic? We lose 3M and have the potential to generate 3M. I know they have to be paid for, but why has no one even suggested it before these new owners? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 29, 2023 16:20:41 GMT
The actual cost can be set aside for the time being, it's the interest that needs servicing which is critical and that can be funded by the additional use. I don't really understand why it hasn't been done before though. Maybe I am being too simplistic? We lose 3M and have the potential to generate 3M. I know they have to be paid for, but why has no one even suggested it before these new owners? I presume that the intention was to move so little point in investing in the Mem or get third parties involved which muddied the waters. But I agree, the new South Stand should have been built years ago, especially when the rugby club moved and we got the additional space without the rugby run offs. Ideally we'd have also done it behind the Thatchers too. Imagine the benefit of 8,000 additional seats. 🤔 |
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Post by baggins on Oct 29, 2023 16:35:19 GMT
Grants? Sponsorship? Concourse? Never heard of any of that. South Stand will add 2,500, estimated cost, £300k plus to build? We already lose £3 mil per year. No way the new Stand will cover that. No mate, I'm on about the 3 stand project being talked about. The point I'm making is that lots of people are talking about non match day revenue, but if the new owners plans happen then at the very least we have the potential break even. As you say, we lose 3 Million a year, but 5,000 extra seats would generate at least that much and improve the ground. I can't see why people would bemoan that. 5,000 extra seats won't bring in £3mil. |
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