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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 21, 2023 21:04:36 GMT
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Post by Somersetgas on Oct 21, 2023 21:12:21 GMT
What this with the players going on holiday for a week? They are pampered enough already!! Looking on the bright side at least they can't get injured on the golf course! Jonny Bairstow managed to break his leg, who knows what any of our lot could manage to do to themselves. |
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Post by Somersetgas on Oct 21, 2023 21:17:53 GMT
It was another game where it was all about the ref, clueless is all I can say, why did he make the players stand for two minutes before the second half started? He was weak and inept, but no doubt he will be reffing somewhere else next week. The joke of the goalkeeper going down injured with nobody near him and their centre back dying for five minutes only to get straight back up. The other clueless thing is how toothless we are upfront, Martin was a waste of space, get JCH in Jan 1st and release him. Other than that stick Crama up there, he looked a serious attacking threat going forward, and why did we take Evans off? The only midfielder who likes a threat. Rant overâŚâŚ |
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 21, 2023 21:21:02 GMT
Come on mate, itâs a blatant red, he leads with his arm. Ref got it spot on. |
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Post by percy on Oct 21, 2023 21:32:52 GMT
Come on mate, itâs a blatant red, he leads with his arm. Ref got it spot on. No itâs cos everyone hates joey. We are picked on. Blah blah blah He has weeks to prove heâs not League 2 at best for me. Enough now. |
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Post by axegas on Oct 21, 2023 21:34:01 GMT
Come on mate, itâs a blatant red, he leads with his arm. Ref got it spot on. Agreed, I didnât watch today, so when reading the reaction in the thread to it I thought it would be a soft one. Seeing the highlights, Iâm surprised anyone is disputing that red. |
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Post by eric on Oct 21, 2023 21:35:33 GMT
Come on mate, itâs a blatant red, he leads with his arm. Ref got it spot on. Referees need to be given back the ability to make judgement calls and take a view on whether there is genuine violent conduct or intent. Instead they get given directives (not new rules) which is why you now get screams of âhe raised his handsâ every time there is a little melee or coming together even if there is no more contact than giving your dog a tickle under his chin. Aside from todayâs red card, and as I mentioned on a thread earlier, people pay to watch football and matches are getting ruined when Referees decide they want to make the contest uneven in number when most of the time there is no real reason to do so. Things like the number of ridiculous cards ruining games and the football authorities lack of interest in ridding the game of dark arts will slowly impact on interest in the game. It is for me and other fans I speak with. |
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Post by oviedista on Oct 21, 2023 22:00:06 GMT
Come on mate, itâs a blatant red, he leads with his arm. Ref got it spot on. Referees need to be given back the ability to make judgement calls and take a view on whether there is genuine violent conduct or intent. Instead they get given directives (not new rules) which is why you now get screams of âhe raised his handsâ every time there is a little melee or coming together even if there is no more contact than giving your dog a tickle under his chin. Aside from todayâs red card, and as I mentioned on a thread earlier, people pay to watch football and matches are getting ruined when Referees decide they want to make the contest uneven in number when most of the time there is no real reason to do so. Things like the number of ridiculous cards ruining games and the football authorities lack of interest in ridding the game of dark arts will slowly impact on interest in the game. It is for me and other fans I speak with. There was clear intent as I saw it so it was the right decision. Unless you want refs to let things slide in order to keep the game even? If Woods keeps his head today we keep 11 on the pitch. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 21, 2023 22:02:05 GMT
Come on mate, itâs a blatant red, he leads with his arm. Ref got it spot on. Referees need to be given back the ability to make judgement calls and take a view on whether there is genuine violent conduct or intent. Instead they get given directives (not new rules) which is why you now get screams of âhe raised his handsâ every time there is a little melee or coming together even if there is no more contact than giving your dog a tickle under his chin. Aside from todayâs red card, and as I mentioned on a thread earlier, people pay to watch football and matches are getting ruined when Referees decide they want to make the contest uneven in number when most of the time there is no real reason to do so. Things like the number of ridiculous cards ruining games and the football authorities lack of interest in ridding the game of dark arts will slowly impact on interest in the game. It is for me and other fans I speak with. Wood's red today would have stood whatever rules applied, lead with your arm or elbow and it's always to be a red. |
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Post by willytopp84 on Oct 22, 2023 0:33:03 GMT
Do they ever bother putting the highlights on YouTube anymore??
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Post by Gasshole on Oct 22, 2023 4:35:17 GMT
Well itâs been a cracking day so far. Got absolutely stuffed by South Africa at the cricket. Got absolutely stuffed by sh**ty Burton. The rugby is next, what could possibly go wrong đ Page 18 of this thread already, not surprising plenty to come yet after a loss from the Barton out brigade. Now England done by the Boks FFS. At least the weekends not a total write off, saw these beauties in the $2 dollar shop. Didnât need them but bought them anywayâŚ..Championship ready  |
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Post by eric on Oct 22, 2023 5:28:48 GMT
Referees need to be given back the ability to make judgement calls and take a view on whether there is genuine violent conduct or intent. Instead they get given directives (not new rules) which is why you now get screams of âhe raised his handsâ every time there is a little melee or coming together even if there is no more contact than giving your dog a tickle under his chin. Aside from todayâs red card, and as I mentioned on a thread earlier, people pay to watch football and matches are getting ruined when Referees decide they want to make the contest uneven in number when most of the time there is no real reason to do so. Things like the number of ridiculous cards ruining games and the football authorities lack of interest in ridding the game of dark arts will slowly impact on interest in the game. It is for me and other fans I speak with. Wood's red today would have stood whatever rules applied, lead with your arm or elbow and it's always to be a red. Watch centre halfâs going into the back of centreforwards from high balls with the arm leading - Woods looked worse because the two players were ruining head first towards a ball in wide open play. The referees these days donât seem able to use their judgement to take into account whether there was genuine risk of a player being seriously hurt or whether there was any intent. I donât think Woods would have been sent off in the 2000âs - that was an era when the real violent offences that were common in the 60âs and 70âs had long since gone but when some physical contact was still allowable compared to what we have now which is virtually a non contact sport. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 22, 2023 6:58:18 GMT
It's not down to judgement it's down to players learning the rules, there was zero reason for Wood's to lead with his arm yesterday, apart from to try to injure his opponent and he even failed at that.
You're just trying to deflect from the reason we lost, we conceded two cheap goals, wasted chances at the other end, then got a cheap red.
It's been a similar story since last January, not just yesterday or the last couple of away games.
Even if we win our next two home games we'll probably still lose at Reading.
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 22, 2023 7:01:13 GMT
That's a red 9 out of 10 times. Our lad is fixed on the ball, both players are committed. It's natural to lead with an arm in that type of aerial challenge but you've got to be ahead of the opponent to avoid giving the ref a decision. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 22, 2023 9:47:25 GMT
Just got back from Ifollow..
Dear oh dear, some of us woke up with the sinking feeling only to find out how sunk we really are in some departments..
Anyhoos, onto less important things...
If you go down under the Woods yesterday, you're sure of no surprise!
Who said that the scoring the first goal was so important!? Um....
For me, another needless sending off in an area where it meant nothing...at a time where injuries and suspensions are badly affecting team selection.
The ref was buying all the "go downs" from both sides, so for the second away match in a row we make things hard on ourselves by setting almost impossible goals.
After poor defensive, thank you very much 1-0 well taken goal, we red riding hoodly invited them on to us....and they duly took up that invitation with a wolfy ruthlessness.
It's got to be said....even though I like Vale, a left back he certainly is not.
Turned with no challenge on the first goal, ball across the box and as usual with 5 of our own players in the 6 yard box when it went it, no one could challenge for it! There was Woods, Vale and Evans in the box too when the ball was over the line...
The second goal ball gets played out to matey on the wing...tum te tum te tummmm... control's the ball, takes a step, looks up tum te tum te tummm (all the while, absolutely no challenge from Gibbons whatsoever .... Why didn't he challenge for the ball before matey got it under control? He was there!) and Josh Grant can't block the shot that the ball eventually found it's way to. It's got to be said....a right back Gibbons certainly is not. Not that I've seen in last year..
Third goal wonder strike....fair play to the fella.
Fourth goal we invited room for matey to run on (Finley didn't get there) pass to fella who was going on to shoot with Vale watching again...hey the lad was great at voyeurism from what I could see (!).
Ok, they done a number on us on the flanks, where we are weak and makeshift. Their number 15 ran on to us with his high energy high pressing physical presence and it worked a treat.
We fell back, invited the crossing, rarely blocked shots and played had a granny at the back so were rightfully gobbled up.
We don't even have a (Jack) Huntsman to save us at the moment...
We were well beaten in the end by a well organised, run of the mill third division team that played to their strengths and exploited our weaknesses. They were the better team on the day and that's without Cole Stockton and Muzzy!
I heard some of JAB comments afterwards.
I disagree with some of them, but obviously I wasn't there.
First of all, we held the advantage of a two week break, allowing us to get players fit and we could recoup energy and all the time in the world to prep and travel. What were we working on in that time?
I get that football doesn't go your way and fine line deflections etc go against you and for you etc, but the interesting thing about that is: he appears to deflect what he could do better in the process.
I think valid questions need to be raised.
Bogarde dropped for Ward coming back from injury....to me on TV it looked like Ward was slow, ineffective. Wouldn't it have been more logical to start the fit player with recent game time?
If LT gets thrown under the bus letting team down (not for the first time) and Belshaw much similar, why is it not the same for Brown and Woods for their unnecessary sending offs? Why is it one rule for one, but not another...?
It appears inconsistent.
Yea yea deflections and bad day at office and dust yourselves down bla bla bla, those travelling fans that made up almost a third of the crowd deserved better and we are under performing.
That's the bottom line.
With some appealing managers becoming available, how long will this be allowed to continue before penny starts to drop that if JAB is strategically sussed by his opponent, he can't come back with anything else to affect change in the match were losing?
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Post by dmacca65 on Oct 22, 2023 10:10:41 GMT
Just got back from Ifollow.. Dear oh dear, some of us woke up with the sinking feeling only to find out how sunk we really are in some departments.. Anyhoos, onto less important things... If you go down under the Woods yesterday, you're sure of no surprise! Who said that the scoring the first goal was so important!? Um.... For me, another needless sending off in an area where it meant nothing...at a time where injuries and suspensions are badly affecting team selection. The ref was buying all the "go downs" from both sides, so for the second away match in a row we make things hard on ourselves by setting almost impossible goals. After poor defensive, thank you very much 1-0 well taken goal, we red riding hoodly invited them on to us....and they duly took up that invitation with a wolfy ruthlessness. It's got to be said....even though I like Vale, a left back he certainly is not. Turned with no challenge on the first goal, ball across the box and as usual with 5 of our own players in the 6 yard box when it went it, no one could challenge for it! The was Woods, Vale and Evans in the box too when the ball was over the line... The second goal ball gets played out to matey on the wing...tum te tum te tummmm... control's the ball, takes a step, looks up tum te tum te tummm (all the while, absolutely no challenge from Gibbons whatsoever .... Why didn't he challenge for the ball before matey got it under control? He was there!) and Josh Grant can't block the shot that the ball eventually found it's way to. It's got to be said....a right back Gibbons certainly is not. Not that I've seen in last year.. Third goal wonder strike....fair play to the fella. Fourth goal we invited room for matey to run on (Finley didn't get there) pass to fella who was going on to shoot with Vale watching again...hey the lad was great at voyeurism from what I could see (!). Ok, they done a number on us on the flanks, where we are weak and makeshift. Their number 15 ran on to us with his high energy high pressing physical presence and it worked a treat. We fell back, invited the crossing, rarely blocked shots and played had a granny at the back so were rightfully gobbled up. We don't even have a (Jack) Huntsman to save us at the moment... We were well beaten in the end by a well organised, run of the mill third division team that played to their strengths and exploited our weaknesses. They were the better team on the day and that's without Cole Stockton and Muzzy! I heard some of JAB comments afterwards. I disagree with some of them, but obviously I wasn't there. First of all, we held the advantage of a two week break, allowing us to get players fit and we could recoup energy and all the time in the world to prep and travel. What were we working on in that time? I get that football doesn't go your way and fine line deflections etc go against you and for you etc, but the interesting thing about that is: he appears to deflect what he could do better in the process. I think valid questions need to be raised. Bogarde dropped for Ward coming back from injury....to me on TV it looked like Ward was slow, ineffective. Wouldn't it have been more logical to start the fit player with recent game time? If LT gets thrown under the bus letting team down (not for the first time) and Belshaw much similar, why is it not the same for Brown and Woods for their unnecessary sending offs? Why is it one rule for one, but not another...? It appears inconsistent. Yea yea deflections and bad day at office and dust yourselves down bla bla bla, those travelling fans that made up almost a third of the crowd deserved better and we are under performing. That's the bottom line. With some appealing managers becoming available, how long will this be allowed to continue before penny starts to drop that if JAB is strategically sussed by his opponent, he can't come back with anything else to affect change in the match were losing? Enjoy reading your thoughts after each game and agree with most of your points, "under performing" I can't agree with, other than on a few occasions thus far we have hardly over performed considering we like to believe we have capabilities of doing so. I spoke to my lad at half time and told him I didn't think we had the nous to turn the game around that's how it panned out, I have my doubts not losing Woods would have made any difference to that prediction? |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 22, 2023 10:31:28 GMT
Just got back from Ifollow.. Dear oh dear, some of us woke up with the sinking feeling only to find out how sunk we really are in some departments.. Anyhoos, onto less important things... If you go down under the Woods yesterday, you're sure of no surprise! Who said that the scoring the first goal was so important!? Um.... For me, another needless sending off in an area where it meant nothing...at a time where injuries and suspensions are badly affecting team selection. The ref was buying all the "go downs" from both sides, so for the second away match in a row we make things hard on ourselves by setting almost impossible goals. After poor defensive, thank you very much 1-0 well taken goal, we red riding hoodly invited them on to us....and they duly took up that invitation with a wolfy ruthlessness. It's got to be said....even though I like Vale, a left back he certainly is not. Turned with no challenge on the first goal, ball across the box and as usual with 5 of our own players in the 6 yard box when it went it, no one could challenge for it! The was Woods, Vale and Evans in the box too when the ball was over the line... The second goal ball gets played out to matey on the wing...tum te tum te tummmm... control's the ball, takes a step, looks up tum te tum te tummm (all the while, absolutely no challenge from Gibbons whatsoever .... Why didn't he challenge for the ball before matey got it under control? He was there!) and Josh Grant can't block the shot that the ball eventually found it's way to. It's got to be said....a right back Gibbons certainly is not. Not that I've seen in last year.. Third goal wonder strike....fair play to the fella. Fourth goal we invited room for matey to run on (Finley didn't get there) pass to fella who was going on to shoot with Vale watching again...hey the lad was great at voyeurism from what I could see (!). Ok, they done a number on us on the flanks, where we are weak and makeshift. Their number 15 ran on to us with his high energy high pressing physical presence and it worked a treat. We fell back, invited the crossing, rarely blocked shots and played had a granny at the back so were rightfully gobbled up. We don't even have a (Jack) Huntsman to save us at the moment... We were well beaten in the end by a well organised, run of the mill third division team that played to their strengths and exploited our weaknesses. They were the better team on the day and that's without Cole Stockton and Muzzy! I heard some of JAB comments afterwards. I disagree with some of them, but obviously I wasn't there. First of all, we held the advantage of a two week break, allowing us to get players fit and we could recoup energy and all the time in the world to prep and travel. What were we working on in that time? I get that football doesn't go your way and fine line deflections etc go against you and for you etc, but the interesting thing about that is: he appears to deflect what he could do better in the process. I think valid questions need to be raised. Bogarde dropped for Ward coming back from injury....to me on TV it looked like Ward was slow, ineffective. Wouldn't it have been more logical to start the fit player with recent game time? If LT gets thrown under the bus letting team down (not for the first time) and Belshaw much similar, why is it not the same for Brown and Woods for their unnecessary sending offs? Why is it one rule for one, but not another...? It appears inconsistent. Yea yea deflections and bad day at office and dust yourselves down bla bla bla, those travelling fans that made up almost a third of the crowd deserved better and we are under performing. That's the bottom line. With some appealing managers becoming available, how long will this be allowed to continue before penny starts to drop that if JAB is strategically sussed by his opponent, he can't come back with anything else to affect change in the match were losing? Enjoy reading your thoughts after each game and agree with most of your points, "under performing" I can't agree with, other than on a few occasions thus far we have hardly over performed considering we like to believe we have capabilities of doing so. I spoke to my lad at half time and told him I didn't think we had the nous to turn the game around that's how it panned out, I have my doubts not losing Woods would have made any difference to that prediction? Apologies if I've written it confusingly but yesterday (not every time) I felt we underperformed as 4-1 exploited most of our weaknesses. That's not mentioning Burton deserved a blatant penalty (Gibbons hand ball) and we missed chances..... we're still waiting for Martin to score his first goal, (by my calculations he's had just 2 direct chances in all his appearances) and we still play possessive football in our own half when we're losing. We lost yesterday, got absolutely well beaten by m o m 15 and an industrious number 7 that worked their way around us after the sending off by at club that gets 2500 fans and with less the resources we have at our disposal. Let's not even go there on comparable budget. So, yes, yesterday I saw we underperformed. We were generally poor again in both boxes. And I think whether it's 1, 100 or 1000 as it was near yesterday, our amazing travelling fans deserved better.....did you see some of them actually applauded at the end? That's, well, incredible.... |
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Post by oviedista on Oct 22, 2023 11:14:29 GMT
I applauded at the end because itâs all too easy to blame every player after a defeat like that but performances werenât all terrible. Grant and Martin for example played far better than some are making out but that sending off killed us.
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Post by Sir Trevor on Oct 22, 2023 11:33:30 GMT
On 6th August 2022.
Burton Albion 0 * 4 Bristol Rovers
Connor Shaughnessy sent off 1st minute.
On 21st October 2023.
Burton Albion 4 * 1 Bristol Rovers
Ryan Woods sent off 64th minute.
These results happen.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 22, 2023 12:32:49 GMT
I applauded at the end because itâs all too easy to blame every player after a defeat like that but performances werenât all terrible. Grant and Martin for example played far better than some are making out but that sending off killed us. You're absolutely, incredible! Well done you.. |
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