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Post by ricardo on Nov 5, 2023 20:19:41 GMT
Agree would be lovely to have something resembling these designs however these kinds of developments are expensive. While the owners seem able to put some money in, surely to end up with a stadium resembling the above, we are looking at a lot of debt?
I think we need to wait and see what is planned however I for one would be satisfied with a more pragmatic approach that sees our capacity/facilities improve while not saddling the club with a debt that could become impossible to service should something change at ownership level.
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Post by singupgas on Nov 5, 2023 22:12:29 GMT
Agree would be lovely to have something resembling these designs however these kinds of developments are expensive. While the owners seem able to put some money in, surely to end up with a stadium resembling the above, we are looking at a lot of debt? I think we need to wait and see what is planned however I for one would be satisfied with a more pragmatic approach that sees our capacity/facilities improve while not saddling the club with a debt that could become impossible to service should something change at ownership level. I don't really understand that, football isn't like any other business. I imagine very few clubs outside the premiership are making any soft of profit. The new owners surely know what they have bought into, if they want to own a football club, developing it is necessary, to bring success. We are a club in need of new stadium not just a tidy up. We know so little about our owners, still no idea really what they do, how much they are worth. |
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Post by ricardo on Nov 5, 2023 23:00:09 GMT
Agree would be lovely to have something resembling these designs however these kinds of developments are expensive. While the owners seem able to put some money in, surely to end up with a stadium resembling the above, we are looking at a lot of debt? I think we need to wait and see what is planned however I for one would be satisfied with a more pragmatic approach that sees our capacity/facilities improve while not saddling the club with a debt that could become impossible to service should something change at ownership level. I don't really understand that, football isn't like any other business. I imagine very few clubs outside the premiership are making any soft of profit. The new owners surely know what they have bought into, if they want to own a football club, developing it is necessary, to bring success. We are a club in need of new stadium not just a tidy up. We know so little about our owners, still no idea really what they do, how much they are worth. Debt exists everywhere including football and there are plenty of examples of clubs that have ended up in huge trouble sometimes ceasing to exist at all, due to unmanageable debt. if building a top class stadium involves an unmanageable level of debt, which it will unless the owners can just pay for it, then I would rather any upgrades be reflective of what we can actually reasonably afford. Some on here seem to think we need to have a new state of the art stadium regardless of the practicalities and potential consequences or that we are somehow owed it and that it would be a huge injustice were we to end up with anything less. I just don’t understand that viewpoint. The plans further back in the thread didn’t happen because we couldn’t afford to pay for it, there seems to be a belief that we now can and I have seen no evidence of this and the new owners have not indicated this to be the case. |
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Post by kruger on Nov 6, 2023 6:45:31 GMT
All I want is a stadium that's not embarrassing, no tents and no open terracing like the away end, Im personally happy with the plans of developing the 3 sides, that'll do very nicely, don't need a state of the art stadium in town or out of town, where we are is good accept maybe the parking is a slight problem.
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Post by buktaboy on Nov 6, 2023 8:56:24 GMT
Can't think of any examples of clubs falling into ruin after getting a new stadium (Darlington apart, an unfeasible vanity project by a nutjob owner). Quite the reverse at Brighton, Brentford, Swansea, Rotherham etc etc. Most of these stadiums were built with some level of finance i.e debt.
If our new owners are unable to raise what is needed for us to achieve what everyone knows we need to get to the next level then can't really figure out why they got involved in the first place.
A proper, modern stadium would attract a lot of new fans, a slightly tarted up Mem will not.
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Post by albaron on Nov 6, 2023 9:29:53 GMT
Can't think of any examples of clubs falling into ruin after getting a new stadium (Darlington apart, an unfeasible vanity project by a nutjob owner). Quite the reverse at Brighton, Brentford, Swansea, Rotherham etc etc. Most of these stadiums were built with some level of finance i.e debt. If our new owners are unable to raise what is needed for us to achieve what everyone knows we need to get to the next level then can't really figure out why they got involved in the first place. A proper, modern stadium would attract a lot of new fans, a slightly tarted up Mem will not. You have hit the nail firmly on the head. A pity some of our supporters cannot see this. |
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Post by Congas on Nov 6, 2023 11:38:17 GMT
Yeah, we have a lot of supporting pillocks 😂. A lot of ‘em just wanna be close to their favourite boozer. I’ve kept an eye out but I haven’t seen one of them soulless bowls yet they keep going on about.
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Post by dexygas on Nov 6, 2023 13:04:28 GMT
Luton, Bournemouth got to the Premier with bad stadiums akin to ours. Maybe the owners think get us into the Premier and then with the money generated build a new stadium.
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Post by bidefordgas on Nov 6, 2023 14:04:02 GMT
Can't think of any examples of clubs falling into ruin after getting a new stadium (Darlington apart, an unfeasible vanity project by a nutjob owner). Quite the reverse at Brighton, Brentford, Swansea, Rotherham etc etc. Most of these stadiums were built with some level of finance i.e debt. If our new owners are unable to raise what is needed for us to achieve what everyone knows we need to get to the next level then can't really figure out why they got involved in the first place. A proper, modern stadium would attract a lot of new fans, a slightly tarted up Mem will not. Swanseas stadium didnt cost them a penny. The council built it and leased it to them for many years. |
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Post by chewbacca on Nov 6, 2023 14:09:21 GMT
Can't think of any examples of clubs falling into ruin after getting a new stadium (Darlington apart, an unfeasible vanity project by a nutjob owner). Quite the reverse at Brighton, Brentford, Swansea, Rotherham etc etc. Most of these stadiums were built with some level of finance i.e debt. If our new owners are unable to raise what is needed for us to achieve what everyone knows we need to get to the next level then can't really figure out why they got involved in the first place. A proper, modern stadium would attract a lot of new fans, a slightly tarted up Mem will not. Swanseas stadium didnt cost them a penny. The council built it and leased it to them for many years. It also didn't cost the council, it was funded by a property deal... The Parc Tawe retail park. |
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Post by baggins on Nov 6, 2023 14:09:31 GMT
Can't think of any examples of clubs falling into ruin after getting a new stadium (Darlington apart, an unfeasible vanity project by a nutjob owner). Quite the reverse at Brighton, Brentford, Swansea, Rotherham etc etc. Most of these stadiums were built with some level of finance i.e debt. If our new owners are unable to raise what is needed for us to achieve what everyone knows we need to get to the next level then can't really figure out why they got involved in the first place. A proper, modern stadium would attract a lot of new fans, a slightly tarted up Mem will not. Swanseas stadium didnt cost them a penny. The council built it and leased it to them for many years. I believe the same for all the big Spanish Clubs, Madrid, Barca, all owned and built by the Council (or their equivelant). |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 6, 2023 14:10:45 GMT
Can't think of any examples of clubs falling into ruin after getting a new stadium (Darlington apart, an unfeasible vanity project by a nutjob owner). Quite the reverse at Brighton, Brentford, Swansea, Rotherham etc etc. Most of these stadiums were built with some level of finance i.e debt. If our new owners are unable to raise what is needed for us to achieve what everyone knows we need to get to the next level then can't really figure out why they got involved in the first place. A proper, modern stadium would attract a lot of new fans, a slightly tarted up Mem will not. Swanseas stadium didnt cost them a penny. The council built it and leased it to them for many years. I assume they had to pay market rates for the lease? |
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Post by baggins on Nov 6, 2023 14:11:09 GMT
Anyhow, the South Stand looks good, if the Owners can do the same with the rest, that'll do me.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 6, 2023 14:13:24 GMT
Can't think of any examples of clubs falling into ruin after getting a new stadium (Darlington apart, an unfeasible vanity project by a nutjob owner). Quite the reverse at Brighton, Brentford, Swansea, Rotherham etc etc. Most of these stadiums were built with some level of finance i.e debt. If our new owners are unable to raise what is needed for us to achieve what everyone knows we need to get to the next level then can't really figure out why they got involved in the first place. A proper, modern stadium would attract a lot of new fans, a slightly tarted up Mem will not. Nor why Wael brought them on board if they can't fund a new stadium or a complete Mem redevelopment? |
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Post by chewbacca on Nov 6, 2023 14:15:41 GMT
Swanseas stadium didnt cost them a penny. The council built it and leased it to them for many years. I believe the same for all the big Spanish Clubs, Madrid, Barca, all owned and built by the Council (or their equivelant). Both owned by the clubs. Municipal stadiums are becoming less of a thing now... Clubs need revenue streams and stadiums are a huge part of that. |
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Post by baggins on Nov 6, 2023 14:17:27 GMT
Can't think of any examples of clubs falling into ruin after getting a new stadium (Darlington apart, an unfeasible vanity project by a nutjob owner). Quite the reverse at Brighton, Brentford, Swansea, Rotherham etc etc. Most of these stadiums were built with some level of finance i.e debt. If our new owners are unable to raise what is needed for us to achieve what everyone knows we need to get to the next level then can't really figure out why they got involved in the first place. A proper, modern stadium would attract a lot of new fans, a slightly tarted up Mem will not. Nor why Wael brought them on board if they can't fund a new stadium or a complete Mem redevelopment? They've obviously got enough wealth to not worry about revenue streams and write off our annual debt, and to develop the Mem as much as possible. |
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Post by baggins on Nov 6, 2023 14:19:37 GMT
I believe the same for all the big Spanish Clubs, Madrid, Barca, all owned and built by the Council (or their equivelant). Both owned by the clubs. Municipal stadiums are becoming less of a thing now... Clubs need revenue streams and stadiums are a huge part of that. I understood that both Real and Barca were massively in debt so how do they both afford ground improvements that must touch €1bn each? |
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Post by chewbacca on Nov 6, 2023 14:23:30 GMT
Both owned by the clubs. Municipal stadiums are becoming less of a thing now... Clubs need revenue streams and stadiums are a huge part of that. I understood that both Real and Barca were massively in debt so how do they both afford ground improvements that must touch €1bn each? I've posted it elsewhere but; Barca have agreed financing with over 20 different investors, the bulk of it will be paid over 5 payments over the course of 24 years. Payments won't start until the stadium is complete. Madrid sought a low interest loan from it's members to redevelop the stadium. Currently there has been two loans, and the club are now seeking a third as costs rise. |
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Post by Gashead73 on Nov 6, 2023 14:26:38 GMT
The Mem revamp should be sufficient for our needs for a good few years. I don't understand some of the moaners......
1. The mem is a shithole....(ever been to Twerton)
2. I'd rather have a new stadium than a revamped mem.......
3. How can our owners afford a revamped and modern Mem?
4. Why or how do supporters not embrace a revamped and tidy and neat football stadium' a place we have called our very own in the past 30 years.
5. I did not like the fruit market' but I loved the concept of the UWE, no matter my personal thoughts I will embrace the Redevelopment if the Mem.
6. It our last years at Eastville it had become a dive, understandable considering we were mere tenants' as we were at an embarrassment if a Stadium at Twerton, IN BLOODY BATH............
7. The Mem.is ours' it's not perfect and never was but it was always way better than Twerton so Redevelopment if the Mem gets a big thumbs up from me, it's our home and closer to Eastville Stadium that Twerton ever was....
8. Just embrace that in a few years we WILL HAVE a half decent football arena, possibly the best we had since the 1970's and since the South Stand Fire at Eastville in 1980.
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Post by stargas on Nov 6, 2023 14:36:38 GMT
Anyhow, the South Stand looks good, if the Owners can do the same with the rest, that'll do me. We'll agree to disagree - I think it's a massive improvement but it does not look modern and "good" IMHO #UTG |
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