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Post by baggins on Nov 6, 2023 14:57:08 GMT
Anyhow, the South Stand looks good, if the Owners can do the same with the rest, that'll do me. We'll agree to disagree - I think it's a massive improvement but it does not look modern and "good" IMHO #UTG It's not finished yet, and it's far better than the tent. As for modern, by definition it has to be doesn't it? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 6, 2023 15:09:24 GMT
We'll agree to disagree - I think it's a massive improvement but it does not look modern and "good" IMHO #UTG It's not finished yet, and it's far better than the tent. As for modern, by definition it has to be doesn't it? A "modern" stand wouldn't have pillars the plans Womble posted from over a decade ago didn't have pillars at the South end of the ground. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 6, 2023 15:11:05 GMT
Nor why Wael brought them on board if they can't fund a new stadium or a complete Mem redevelopment? They've obviously got enough wealth to not worry about revenue streams and write off our annual debt, and to develop the Mem as much as possible. When did the new owners confirm that they would follow Wael's lead and write off the debts each season whilst also fundiny the Mem redevelopment without taking out further loans secured against the ground? |
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Post by baggins on Nov 6, 2023 15:59:44 GMT
They've obviously got enough wealth to not worry about revenue streams and write off our annual debt, and to develop the Mem as much as possible. When did the new owners confirm that they would follow Wael's lead and write off the debts each season whilst also fundiny the Mem redevelopment without taking out further loans secured against the ground? When did Wael say that he would write off our debts every year? You know, you can put an argument against everything, and you do, regularly, and it's getting pretty tedious. |
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Post by baggins on Nov 6, 2023 16:01:16 GMT
It's not finished yet, and it's far better than the tent. As for modern, by definition it has to be doesn't it? A "modern" stand wouldn't have pillars the plans Womble posted from over a decade ago didn't have pillars at the South end of the ground. Topper against pillars!!! Nothing decent to say about the tent has been replaced with a nice new all seater stand. |
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Post by bidefordgas on Nov 6, 2023 16:39:54 GMT
Swanseas stadium didnt cost them a penny. The council built it and leased it to them for many years. I assume they had to pay market rates for the lease? I don’t know anything about the lease but it did not cost the club a fortune. The Ospreys rugby started playing there a number of years ago and costs were shared from what I can gather. Then about three years ago the council gave the ground to the football club for nothing provided they let the rugby club pay rent for their use of the ground from the football club. The purpose of the council handing the ground over was in order to get the football club to maintain the ground as well as allowing the rugby club to rent the ground from the football club. |
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Post by singupgas on Nov 6, 2023 17:03:02 GMT
Can't think of any examples of clubs falling into ruin after getting a new stadium (Darlington apart, an unfeasible vanity project by a nutjob owner). Quite the reverse at Brighton, Brentford, Swansea, Rotherham etc etc. Most of these stadiums were built with some level of finance i.e debt. If our new owners are unable to raise what is needed for us to achieve what everyone knows we need to get to the next level then can't really figure out why they got involved in the first place. A proper, modern stadium would attract a lot of new fans, a slightly tarted up Mem will not. I share your frustration. I cannot understand, why our fans are always happy to be mediocre, it's like as long as there's something to do on a Saturday. Why don't we want a top drawer stadium to be proud of. Not talking a billion stadium, but something that half decent... Don't have to travel very far to see what a decent ground looks like. |
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Post by buktaboy on Nov 6, 2023 17:07:34 GMT
Can't think of any examples of clubs falling into ruin after getting a new stadium (Darlington apart, an unfeasible vanity project by a nutjob owner). Quite the reverse at Brighton, Brentford, Swansea, Rotherham etc etc. Most of these stadiums were built with some level of finance i.e debt. If our new owners are unable to raise what is needed for us to achieve what everyone knows we need to get to the next level then can't really figure out why they got involved in the first place. A proper, modern stadium would attract a lot of new fans, a slightly tarted up Mem will not. Swanseas stadium didnt cost them a penny. The council built it and leased it to them for many years. That's why I said "most* new stadiums, not " all". |
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Post by albaron on Nov 6, 2023 17:08:44 GMT
Can't think of any examples of clubs falling into ruin after getting a new stadium (Darlington apart, an unfeasible vanity project by a nutjob owner). Quite the reverse at Brighton, Brentford, Swansea, Rotherham etc etc. Most of these stadiums were built with some level of finance i.e debt. If our new owners are unable to raise what is needed for us to achieve what everyone knows we need to get to the next level then can't really figure out why they got involved in the first place. A proper, modern stadium would attract a lot of new fans, a slightly tarted up Mem will not Why don't we want a top drawer stadium to be proud of. Not talking a billion stadium, but something that half decent... Don't have to travel very far to see what a decent ground looks like. Totally agree. I have to pass there stadium on my way to Rovers. Looks fantastic. And I'm starting to believe that the only way I will be able to watch Championship football is to watch from there. |
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Post by gascloud on Nov 6, 2023 17:37:44 GMT
Why don't we want a top drawer stadium to be proud of. Not talking a billion stadium, but something that half decent... Don't have to travel very far to see what a decent ground looks like. Totally agree. I have to pass there stadium on my way to Rovers. Looks fantastic. And I'm starting to believe that the only way I will be able to watch Championship football is to watch from there. Baggsie first to say it….see ya then😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2023 18:46:23 GMT
controverial but I'd love the mem to turn out something like Ashton gate, blue seats and without the foul stench. Was there for a radio Bristol panel with Coughlan a few seasons back and was impressed. (Disinfectant used afterwards)
4 distinct, steep stands, good bars, safe standing. That's how to redevelop a ground.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 6, 2023 18:47:13 GMT
Why don't we want a top drawer stadium to be proud of. Not talking a billion stadium, but something that half decent... Don't have to travel very far to see what a decent ground looks like. Totally agree. I have to pass there stadium on my way to Rovers. Looks fantastic. And I'm starting to believe that the only way I will be able to watch Championship football is to watch from there. There's no reason why Rovers can't get promoted whilst playing at the Mem, a L1 team playing in a similar capacity ground could well go up this season. You just can't see them progressing any further if they don't improve the Mem, I'm not sure sticking a few semi permanent stands up will really help matters even if it does increase the ground capacity. |
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Post by albaron on Nov 6, 2023 19:09:37 GMT
Totally agree. I have to pass there stadium on my way to Rovers. Looks fantastic. And I'm starting to believe that the only way I will be able to watch Championship football is to watch from there. Baggsie first to say it….see ya then😂 Well I did watch my very first professional game there on the 16th December 1961. For the next 5/6 years me & my dad did both grounds until I only went to Eastville from around 1967/68. From 1970 I went home & away with Rovers until about 2 years a go where I only go to home games now. ( still a 80 mile round trip ). Before I stop going all together I wish to see Championship football -- Not too much to ask. Is it ? |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 6, 2023 19:23:47 GMT
Baggsie first to say it….see ya then😂 Well I did watch my very first professional game there on the 16th December 1961. For the next 5/6 years me & my dad did both grounds until I only went to Eastville from around 1967/68. From 1970 I went home & away with Rovers until about 2 years a go where I only go to home games now. ( still a 80 mile round trip ). Before I stop going all together I wish to see Championship football -- Not too much to ask. Is it ? I hope you manage it albaron. I’m sure we could get there but whether we could stay there would be a bigger problem. I think these new owners are being very practical. Getting the land, finances to build a new stadium seems to have been beyond the owners since 1939. So now these guys appear to have a basic, step by step plan to re-develop the Mem. Might not be what many wanted but it seems more achievable than past projects. And in the end a 16,000 state of the art shiny new ground will only generate the same income as a redeveloped Mem. (I know that the ability to generate income from outside football may be greater in a shiny new stadium) However, I think this plan may give you your best chance to get there and even stay there. UTG! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 6, 2023 19:32:29 GMT
There's surely a reason why GD/NH/Weal all thought only a new stadium could generate sufficient cashflow to make it viable?
OM55 posted the pp for the West Stand and that states on non match days the club can only use the bars and hospitality in that stand until 6pm! So basically any evening functions are a non starter.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 6, 2023 19:50:47 GMT
There's surely a reason why GD/NH/Weal all thought only a new stadium could generate sufficient cashflow to make it viable? OM55 posted the pp for the West Stand and that states on non match days the club can only use the bars and hospitality in that stand until 6pm! So basically any evening functions are a non starter. Because they didn’t have the funds to pay for it themselves. In all of these examples the aim of the game has been to try and get someone else to build it. Student lets company Sainsburys & sponsorship from UWE Property developer in exchange for the Mem All have involved someone getting something out of the existing Mem site either by taking some or taking all of it. The Al Saeeds realise you have to spend to get the improved facilities we need. You don’t get something for nothing and now they’re putting their money where their mouths are and improving our ground. Pillars or no pillars it’s much better than continuing on with tents hoping for the latest scheme to come to fruition. |
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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Nov 6, 2023 19:53:50 GMT
Can't think of any examples of clubs falling into ruin after getting a new stadium (Darlington apart, an unfeasible vanity project by a nutjob owner). Quite the reverse at Brighton, Brentford, Swansea, Rotherham etc etc. Most of these stadiums were built with some level of finance i.e debt. If our new owners are unable to raise what is needed for us to achieve what everyone knows we need to get to the next level then can't really figure out why they got involved in the first place. A proper, modern stadium would attract a lot of new fans, a slightly tarted up Mem will not. Playing in a new ground would certainly attract new fans , even the mem , if done well. The ground has been decaying for years , and gives the appearance of a club
not progressing.
I'm just wondering how many signings we missed out on over the years due to our shabby ground.
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Post by pilninggas on Nov 6, 2023 19:57:47 GMT
For the East Stand we need to look 40 miles up the road to Swindle and do something similar to the John Trollope stand [that bell rings a name].
Full length, efficient seating [unlike the hulk we have now], could be done better without any posts, potential for an inset of executive boxes and better facilities underneath by nature of being full length.
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Post by gascloud on Nov 6, 2023 20:04:09 GMT
Baggsie first to say it….see ya then😂 Well I did watch my very first professional game there on the 16th December 1961. For the next 5/6 years me & my dad did both grounds until I only went to Eastville from around 1967/68. From 1970 I went home & away with Rovers until about 2 years a go where I only go to home games now. ( still a 80 mile round trip ). Before I stop going all together I wish to see Championship football -- Not too much to ask. Is it ? I presume you witnessed a few seasons of championship football at Rovers over the years as your support goes that far back, all be it division 2 of old. For me it’s get the structure at the club right, develope the Mem so we can fit, and attract 16,000 fans in it and we can seriously then think about challenging for that star in the sky that is the Championship. UTG |
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Post by aghast on Nov 6, 2023 22:11:24 GMT
Can't think of any examples of clubs falling into ruin after getting a new stadium (Darlington apart, an unfeasible vanity project by a nutjob owner). Quite the reverse at Brighton, Brentford, Swansea, Rotherham etc etc. Most of these stadiums were built with some level of finance i.e debt. If our new owners are unable to raise what is needed for us to achieve what everyone knows we need to get to the next level then can't really figure out why they got involved in the first place. A proper, modern stadium would attract a lot of new fans, a slightly tarted up Mem will not. Nor why Wael brought them on board if they can't fund a new stadium or a complete Mem redevelopment? I'm assuming he's had enough after the collapse of the UWE and FM bids and is winding down. |
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