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Post by wallywalters on Nov 26, 2023 9:15:56 GMT
Whilst I think of it a shout out to yesterday's referee. They get a lot of stick in this league and are on the whole pretty poor but I thought he was excellent yesterday. The best we've had this season. He went largely unnoticed which is always a good sign and I can't remember him issuing any cards although I could have missed one.
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Post by Marshy on Nov 26, 2023 9:20:53 GMT
Whilst I think of it a shout out to yesterday's referee. They get a lot of stick in this league and are on the whole pretty poor but I thought he was excellent yesterday. The best we've had this season. He went largely unnoticed which is always a good sign and I can't remember him issuing any cards although I could have missed one. Apart from the fact that he didn’t give us a free kick until about 35 minutes in! |
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 26, 2023 9:26:23 GMT
Listened to the Derby manager post match . Not sure what game he was watching but he reckoned they were far superior and don’t think he mentioned the gas once in 6 minute interview. He’s a bit of a knob for sure . Stoney I'd agree with him. Watched on ifollow but I'd also say that Derby were the better side. We played some lovely stuff in small patches but often look clueless due to terrible movement off the ball. Derby's danger man having the chance to run at our out of position CB is not just the fault of Grant. That's poor team play from others who should know about that threat and shape up accordingly. We lost the ball in Derbys half on both occasions through poor control and strength. For the second goal a 2 on 2 develops after we give the ball away and the defending from Wilson was 9 year old stuff. Martin is a lump, so we must play off of him to maximise his input. He wins and causes a number of flickons each game but other players never gamble. Collins is a waste of a shirt-bored mentioning it tbh. Vale and Thomas should be starting with Sincs as the option. Martin or Marquis with Brown as the 10 if required. If we have fit CBs they should be starting because Derby will have studied our line up and realised we had square pegs in round holes with slow players. What a dream for a pacy striker! All that aside, the biggest issue from yesterday was workrate out of possession whilst attacking. Its a regular issue this season and leads to giving possession away especially from long passes from GK or defence. |
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Post by wallywalters on Nov 26, 2023 9:37:24 GMT
Whilst I think of it a shout out to yesterday's referee. They get a lot of stick in this league and are on the whole pretty poor but I thought he was excellent yesterday. The best we've had this season. He went largely unnoticed which is always a good sign and I can't remember him issuing any cards although I could have missed one. Apart from the fact that he didn’t give us a free kick until about 35 minutes in! I don't fall out with that at all. Too many free kicks are given out in today's game for any form of soft contact. He allowed the game to flow. |
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Post by exetergas on Nov 26, 2023 9:39:16 GMT
Taylor is our best defender and must play when fit. If the perceived wisdom is he and Wilson cannot play together, and I can see that, then Wilson misses out, in my view.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Nov 26, 2023 9:40:52 GMT
A frustrating day again but we have said that too many times this season and we should have come away from that game with at least a point. Yes Grant messed up for the winner but to lay the blame and call him useless is a bit over the top. The first goal is certainly not his fault look back at it. Collins was weak up top when he should be at least getting a shot away then Wilson inexplicably runs under the ball with noone near him leaving us well out of shape and Grant having to deal with a player who will make alot of league one defenders look silly. Short memories as well as he done superbly earlier in the game stopping a 2 against 1 placing himself in a great position. Again this was down to other players mistakes and he cleaned them up. Yes we lost and yes he made a big mistake but there were players back there that could have helped him out like he had earlier in the game. It seems people want a scapegoat and he is the target. For me Collins is the one who should get more attention his constant falling to the floor and being shoved of the ball stopped alot of our good forward progress and the refs seem well aware of his theatrics. Yesterday he needed taken off so much earlier than he was and that's down to the manager subs were needed before the 70th minute especially with having a strong bench. We are not a million miles away from being a decent side and now is the time for our board to act and get someone in whilst there is still time to make a push up the league. Thanks for this. Some of the over the top nonsense from some on here re Grant last night was pathetic. He’s a good player that suffers from being our “play him anywhere” guy. Blame the Barton /EJ regime for not recruiting a decent squad of CBs (and left backs) I don't post straight after the game as emotions are still raw and left the ground frustrated and a touch angry. The treatment of Grant is awful he won headers especially from corners and had a decent game in all and others that made huge basic errors go without criticism. Grant is a superb utility player for us and is gaining fitness all the time after injuries which could have ended many others careers. |
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Post by bridgwatergas on Nov 26, 2023 9:42:49 GMT
Whilst I think of it a shout out to yesterday's referee. They get a lot of stick in this league and are on the whole pretty poor but I thought he was excellent yesterday. The best we've had this season. He went largely unnoticed which is always a good sign and I can't remember him issuing any cards although I could have missed one. Apart from the fact that he didn’t give us a free kick until about 35 minutes in! If Collins didn't fall over all the time we may have had one or two in our favour. |
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Nov 26, 2023 9:50:35 GMT
For sure Grant has a howler for the second goal.
But the first? What on earth is Wilson doing? Comes charging out of his CB position alongside Grant, completely misjudges and misses a header, and leaves Grant 1v1 at the back with the fastest player in the division. The outcome at that point is practically inevitable.
Let’s also not forget the moment in the 50th minute when Wilson was left for dead on the halfway line and Grant did superbly to intercept a pass when left 2v1 at the back. Prevented an almost certain goal.
Yes he wasn’t perfect, but Wilson was just as bad if not worse.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Nov 26, 2023 10:07:30 GMT
For sure Grant has a howler for the second goal. But the first? What on earth is Wilson doing? Comes charging out of his CB position alongside Grant, completely misjudges and misses a header, and leaves Grant 1v1 at the back with the fastest player in the division. The outcome at that point is practically inevitable. Let’s also not forget the moment in the 50th minute when Wilson was left for dead on the halfway line and Grant did superbly to intercept a pass when left 2v1 at the back. Prevented an almost certain goal. Yes he wasn’t perfect, but Wilson was just as bad if not worse. I think Wilson was the weak link yesterday in the back line but overall has been ok when fit. Maybe not playing with Grant and forging any kind of understanding dosent help but I still can't believe how wrong he got that header for the first goal. |
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Post by Marshy on Nov 26, 2023 11:21:00 GMT
For sure Grant has a howler for the second goal. But the first? What on earth is Wilson doing? Comes charging out of his CB position alongside Grant, completely misjudges and misses a header, and leaves Grant 1v1 at the back with the fastest player in the division. The outcome at that point is practically inevitable. Let’s also not forget the moment in the 50th minute when Wilson was left for dead on the halfway line and Grant did superbly to intercept a pass when left 2v1 at the back. Prevented an almost certain goal. Yes he wasn’t perfect, but Wilson was just as bad if not worse. I don’t believe it! |
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Post by pirate on Nov 26, 2023 11:47:09 GMT
For sure Grant has a howler for the second goal. But the first? What on earth is Wilson doing? Comes charging out of his CB position alongside Grant, completely misjudges and misses a header, and leaves Grant 1v1 at the back with the fastest player in the division. The outcome at that point is practically inevitable. Let’s also not forget the moment in the 50th minute when Wilson was left for dead on the halfway line and Grant did superbly to intercept a pass when left 2v1 at the back. Prevented an almost certain goal. Yes he wasn’t perfect, but Wilson was just as bad if not worse. I don’t believe it! |
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Post by socrates on Nov 26, 2023 12:00:43 GMT
Wilson was poor yesterday, seems Plymouth know when to get rid of a player as he was pretty much ever present last season for them and they won promotion but doesn’t look anything special at all for us.
I’d like to see Connor Taylor alongside James connelly again as they formed a good partnership in our promotion season.
Can we re call connelly in January ?
They’re both our players , both young so will improve given game time and have a successful history together for me it’s a no brainier to have at least tried it for a run of games but it felt like soon as we brought Taylor back we shipped out Connelly ??
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Post by playtowin on Nov 26, 2023 12:05:43 GMT
Both mistakes that led to Derby goals occurred on the halfway line. Thats a long way out for the team to defend properly again.
The 2nd goal was crossed back to a player completely unmarked near the pen spot. There were also 2 unmarked Derby players beyond him.
That was the main reason why the goal was scored. We had a keeper and 2 defenders getting in each others way on the line and achieving nothing. Plus Wilson i believe stood in nomans land.
Poor defending from defence and midfield .
For the first goal had hunt not made contact there were 2 derby players stood beyond him unmarked who most likely have scored anyway.
Prior to Grants loss of control you had Finley falling over with nobody near him as he smashed a pass at Brown who hit it straight back to a marked Grant.
The point is across the team there was a catalogue of organisational errors.
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Post by dudelebowski on Nov 26, 2023 12:13:02 GMT
Both mistakes that led to Derby goals occurred on the halfway line. Thats a long way out for the team to defend properly again. The 2nd goal was crossed back to a player completely unmarked near the pen spot. There were also 2 unmarked Derby players beyond him. That was the main reason why the goal was scored. We had a keeper and 2 defenders getting in each others way on the line and achieving nothing. Plus Wilson i believe stood in nomans land. Poor defending from defence and midfield . For the first goal had hunt not made contact there were 2 derby players stood beyond him unmarked who most likely have scored anyway. Prior to Grants loss of control you had Finley falling over with nobody near him as he smashed a pass at Brown who hit it straight back to a marked Grant. The point is across the team there was a catalogue of organisational errors. Why Grant felt the need to let the ball through his legs whilst being closed down, is one only he’ll know. Then to let the guy glide past him after merely trying to lean on the bloke and not at least chuck a tackle in to correct the initial error, pretty unforgivable. |
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Post by Kipper on Nov 26, 2023 12:19:30 GMT
For a so called quality squad Rovers struggle against teams in the top half of the division!
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Post by playtowin on Nov 26, 2023 12:22:01 GMT
Both mistakes that led to Derby goals occurred on the halfway line. Thats a long way out for the team to defend properly again. The 2nd goal was crossed back to a player completely unmarked near the pen spot. There were also 2 unmarked Derby players beyond him. That was the main reason why the goal was scored. We had a keeper and 2 defenders getting in each others way on the line and achieving nothing. Plus Wilson i believe stood in nomans land. Poor defending from defence and midfield . For the first goal had hunt not made contact there were 2 derby players stood beyond him unmarked who most likely have scored anyway. Prior to Grants loss of control you had Finley falling over with nobody near him as he smashed a pass at Brown who hit it straight back to a marked Grant. The point is across the team there was a catalogue of organisational errors. Why Grant felt the need to let the ball through his legs whilst being closed down, is one only he’ll know. Then to let the guy glide past him after merely trying to lean on the bloke and not at least chuck a tackle in to correct the initial error, pretty unforgivable. Was he not one of the quickest players on the pitch and strongly built too ? Poor control from Grant without question. But who wasnt marking the goal scorer ? Or the other Derby players ? A player doing their job there stops a shot occuring. |
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Post by Kipper on Nov 26, 2023 12:24:26 GMT
For a so called quality squad Rovers struggle against teams in the top half of the division!
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Post by dudelebowski on Nov 26, 2023 12:31:10 GMT
Why Grant felt the need to let the ball through his legs whilst being closed down, is one only he’ll know. Then to let the guy glide past him after merely trying to lean on the bloke and not at least chuck a tackle in to correct the initial error, pretty unforgivable. Was he not one of the quickest players on the pitch and strongly built too ? Poor control from Grant without question. But who wasnt marking the goal scorer ? Or the other Derby players ? A player doing their job there stops a shot occuring. We were shaped for an attack, he’s gifted possession away, done F all to stop their man charging down the channel (the lad wasn’t even THAT quick) no wonder we were at 6’s & 7’s trying to get numbers back. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2023 12:35:21 GMT
Was he not one of the quickest players on the pitch and strongly built too ? Poor control from Grant without question. But who wasnt marking the goal scorer ? Or the other Derby players ? A player doing their job there stops a shot occuring. We were shaped for an attack, he’s gifted possession away, done F all to stop their man charging down the channel (the lad wasn’t even THAT quick) no wonder we were at 6’s & 7’s trying to get numbers back. The goal was a terrible sequence of events. Brown equally culpable by giving Grant a hospital pass and then just standing still and waving his arms around |
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Post by playtowin on Nov 26, 2023 12:39:53 GMT
Was he not one of the quickest players on the pitch and strongly built too ? Poor control from Grant without question. But who wasnt marking the goal scorer ? Or the other Derby players ? A player doing their job there stops a shot occuring. We were shaped for an attack, he’s gifted possession away, done F all to stop their man charging down the channel (the lad wasn’t even THAT quick) no wonder we were at 6’s & 7’s trying to get numbers back. You could equally say Derby were shaped to defend. They managed to get 3 unmarked players into the box though. One being the goalscorer who now has 5 goals in 6 games...so you might have thought someone might have considered him a goal threat (?). It was poor across the team. You cant just accept that anytime one player makes an error on the halfway line the rest get a get out of jail free card and a goal is soley one persons fault. That level of responsibility in a team leads to relegation. Hopefully the staff will be working with the players on these things so they limit how often they occur in the future. |
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