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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 3, 2023 8:35:42 GMT
Plus our plans for various grounds in similar areas all failed and that was before organised protest groups really took off.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Dec 3, 2023 9:48:56 GMT
I said as much as I could but was called a fantasist, that I made stuff up and the usual suspects had a pop. I also said what was happening with the FM and had the same crap. There is no point in trying to give out real info as many prefer the fictional view and don’t want to face the truth. I knew it was only a matter of time before this came out but if I had given the clubs name it could have jeopardised the deal. Wael dismissed the site as not feasible but after first being mad keen on it. The s/glos council were very keen on it too. I wonder how this would have turned out with the new majority owner ? He seems much less territorial and more open , without feeling threatened. I will end with saying both projects were stopped from progressing by one man’s desire to control. I can only conclude that the clubs best interests are not his priority given the outcome of both. I feel indifferent now and am resigned to the mem. It was pretty obvious who you meant, at least to me. With regards Wael, if his desire to retain control killed off this and the FM, how does that square with him giving up a majority now? Does that mean the Lyde Green plan would have needed a third party, and if so, was there one? I have no idea. With all the managerial changes, capitalisation of debts under his tenure I can only guess he had maybe wanted to start a path to getting out but that would be speculation on my part. He has shown a side to him that shows impulsive behaviour. As for the financing, I have not got any idea but everything was in place for it to be a favourable project. Sorry but I cannot answer Stuart. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 3, 2023 10:00:00 GMT
It was pretty obvious who you meant, at least to me. With regards Wael, if his desire to retain control killed off this and the FM, how does that square with him giving up a majority now? Does that mean the Lyde Green plan would have needed a third party, and if so, was there one? I have no idea. With all the managerial changes, capitalisation of debts under his tenure I can only guess he had maybe wanted to start a path to getting out but that would be speculation on my part. He has shown a side to him that shows impulsive behaviour. As for the financing, I have not got any idea but everything was in place for it to be a favourable project. Sorry but I cannot answer Stuart. Favourable to who the club or the people financing the project, as nobody is going to pay for a stadium without making a sizeable amount out of the deal, although I thought you posted that the supporter behind the Lyde Green site had an idea but no financial backing? |
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Post by Quarters on Dec 3, 2023 11:34:40 GMT
I have no idea. With all the managerial changes, capitalisation of debts under his tenure I can only guess he had maybe wanted to start a path to getting out but that would be speculation on my part. He has shown a side to him that shows impulsive behaviour. As for the financing, I have not got any idea but everything was in place for it to be a favourable project. Sorry but I cannot answer Stuart. Favourable to who the club or the people financing the project, as nobody is going to pay for a stadium without making a sizeable amount out of the deal, although I thought you posted that the supporter behind the Lyde Green site had an idea but no financial backing? So how will it work for the cricket club? |
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Post by supergas on Dec 3, 2023 11:51:08 GMT
Favourable to who the club or the people financing the project, as nobody is going to pay for a stadium without making a sizeable amount out of the deal, although I thought you posted that the supporter behind the Lyde Green site had an idea but no financial backing? So how will it work for the cricket club? I think the approach is "...any revenue that's not cricket-related..." Big hotel. Conferences. Like nearly all county cricket they can't survive on attendances and/or TV money, so I would guess in the planning application the actual cricket facilities will be the third or fourth priority.... |
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Post by Quarters on Dec 3, 2023 11:57:20 GMT
So how will it work for the cricket club? I think the approach is "...any revenue that's not cricket-related..." Big hotel. Conferences. Like nearly all county cricket they can't survive on attendances and/or TV money, so I would guess in the planning application the actual cricket facilities will be the third or fourth priority.... And the same can apply to a football stadium at the same site. How can the CC fund the stadium when Rovers can't, as stated by Topper. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 3, 2023 12:36:35 GMT
I think the approach is "...any revenue that's not cricket-related..." Big hotel. Conferences. Like nearly all county cricket they can't survive on attendances and/or TV money, so I would guess in the planning application the actual cricket facilities will be the third or fourth priority.... And the same can apply to a football stadium at the same site. How can the CC fund the stadium when Rovers can't, as stated by Topper. Assuming building a cricket stadium complex costs similar to a football stadia where are basically penny less GCCC going to find the £100m+ to buy the land and build a first class cricket stadium and hotel etc? Good luck also finding land around Winterbourne etc for such a large greenfield development. |
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Post by mftc on Dec 3, 2023 13:01:32 GMT
Glos get a minor one day international every few years, but look at Glamorgan or Hants who can get the occasional big test match.
Is shows how poor Bristol is looked at and the sporting and music facilities we have.
If there was major investment locally, who knows around 10 years we could see an Ashes test match and a major music tour coming to Bristol. The revenue that brings in for the area is massive.
The problem is would 2 or 3 major paydays cover the losses for the rest of the year?
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Dec 3, 2023 13:23:06 GMT
I have no idea. With all the managerial changes, capitalisation of debts under his tenure I can only guess he had maybe wanted to start a path to getting out but that would be speculation on my part. He has shown a side to him that shows impulsive behaviour. As for the financing, I have not got any idea but everything was in place for it to be a favourable project. Sorry but I cannot answer Stuart. Favourable to who the club or the people financing the project, as nobody is going to pay for a stadium without making a sizeable amount out of the deal, although I thought you posted that the supporter behind the Lyde Green site had an idea but no financial backing? Favourable in that planning, land purchase and that we would not be having to argue with nimbys would not have been any problem. I did not post that the guy had the idea but that he was trying to facilitate it, as a spokesman for someone. The finance was also there but meant our then owner would have had to give up some percentage of ownership. I did explain it before. Nevermind, it’s gone now. We had the first chance though. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 3, 2023 14:07:13 GMT
Favourable to who the club or the people financing the project, as nobody is going to pay for a stadium without making a sizeable amount out of the deal, although I thought you posted that the supporter behind the Lyde Green site had an idea but no financial backing? Favourable in that planning, land purchase and that we would not be having to argue with nimbys would not have been any problem. I did not post that the guy had the idea but that he was trying to facilitate it, as a spokesman for someone. The finance was also there but meant our then owner would have had to give up some percentage of ownership. I did explain it before. Nevermind, it’s gone now. We had the first chance though. You posted that a supporter had an idea for a stadium but no idea how he'd fund it but he had contacts who might be able to assist. You also suggested Wael showed little interest in the idea. If that's wrong then post a link to where you ever suggested he had full financial backing for the stadium. |
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Post by bidefordgas on Dec 3, 2023 14:23:24 GMT
Favourable in that planning, land purchase and that we would not be having to argue with nimbys would not have been any problem. I did not post that the guy had the idea but that he was trying to facilitate it, as a spokesman for someone. The finance was also there but meant our then owner would have had to give up some percentage of ownership. I did explain it before. Nevermind, it’s gone now. We had the first chance though. You posted that a supporter had an idea for a stadium but no idea how he'd fund it but he had contacts who might be able to assist. You also suggested Wael showed little interest in the idea. If that's wrong then post a link to where you ever suggested he had full financial backing for the stadium. All pie in the sky gaschat rumours without any proof provided. Our owner has always said he would listen to all proposals regarding finance/ buying into the club etc and they had also had such offers but none were beneficial to the club as far as they were concerned. He has recently reduced his majority shareholding and new owners now hold the balance of power and although early days they have decided to redevelop the Mem and we as supporters have to accept that whether we like it or not. The new stand is clearly the best thing that any owners have ever achieved and I for one can’t wait to see the plans for the east side/thatchers end that they have alluded to. As regards the cricket club, nobody is going to invest in a new ground until they know what can be done with their existing site. That’s years away at the present time. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 3, 2023 14:33:50 GMT
Who cares about Swindles ground 🙄
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Post by gas2 on Dec 3, 2023 15:15:22 GMT
Plus our plans for various grounds in similar areas all failed and that was before organised protest groups really took off. Only reason we have not built a new stadium in the past is we have never Had the finance to build one nothing to do with nimbys as we have never been refused p p to build it |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Dec 3, 2023 15:30:44 GMT
Favourable in that planning, land purchase and that we would not be having to argue with nimbys would not have been any problem. I did not post that the guy had the idea but that he was trying to facilitate it, as a spokesman for someone. The finance was also there but meant our then owner would have had to give up some percentage of ownership. I did explain it before. Nevermind, it’s gone now. We had the first chance though. You posted that a supporter had an idea for a stadium but no idea how he'd fund it but he had contacts who might be able to assist. You also suggested Wael showed little interest in the idea. If that's wrong then post a link to where you ever suggested he had full financial backing for the stadium. You have that wrong but I’m not getting into that all over again. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 3, 2023 15:56:59 GMT
Plus our plans for various grounds in similar areas all failed and that was before organised protest groups really took off. Only reason we have not built a new stadium in the past is we have never Had the finance to build one nothing to do with nimbys as we have never been refused p p to build it Pretty certain we never got pp for the proposed stadiums at Hambrook nor Kingswood plus further afield at Severnside? Apart from the Mem we've only ever got pp at the UWE. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 3, 2023 15:57:56 GMT
You posted that a supporter had an idea for a stadium but no idea how he'd fund it but he had contacts who might be able to assist. You also suggested Wael showed little interest in the idea. If that's wrong then post a link to where you ever suggested he had full financial backing for the stadium. You have that wrong but I’m not getting into that all over again. I'll take that as you can't then! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 3, 2023 16:00:36 GMT
You posted that a supporter had an idea for a stadium but no idea how he'd fund it but he had contacts who might be able to assist. You also suggested Wael showed little interest in the idea. If that's wrong then post a link to where you ever suggested he had full financial backing for the stadium. All pie in the sky gaschat rumours without any proof provided. Our owner has always said he would listen to all proposals regarding finance/ buying into the club etc and they had also had such offers but none were beneficial to the club as far as they were concerned. He has recently reduced his majority shareholding and new owners now hold the balance of power and although early days they have decided to redevelop the Mem and we as supporters have to accept that whether we like it or not. The new stand is clearly the best thing that any owners have ever achieved and I for one can’t wait to see the plans for the east side/thatchers end that they have alluded to. As regards the cricket club, nobody is going to invest in a new ground until they know what can be done with their existing site. That’s years away at the present time. Why's it year's away, surely all they need to do is ask BCC planners what they are likely to approve? Although if they started tomorrow then it's probably years away before a new ground could be developed by then the Hundred competition could be history anyway. |
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Post by Quarters on Dec 3, 2023 16:44:51 GMT
Only reason we have not built a new stadium in the past is we have never Had the finance to build one nothing to do with nimbys as we have never been refused p p to build it Pretty certain we never got pp for the proposed stadiums at Hambrook nor Kingswood plus further afield at Severnside? Apart from the Mem we've only ever got pp at the UWE. Did we attempt planning permission for those sites? |
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Post by aghast on Dec 3, 2023 17:08:10 GMT
Only reason we have not built a new stadium in the past is we have never Had the finance to build one nothing to do with nimbys as we have never been refused p p to build it Pretty certain we never got pp for the proposed stadiums at Hambrook nor Kingswood plus further afield at Severnside? Apart from the Mem we've only ever got pp at the UWE. Where was the Kingswood stadium? Not an obvious location for a massive new super development.... |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 3, 2023 17:19:02 GMT
Pretty certain we never got pp for the proposed stadiums at Hambrook nor Kingswood plus further afield at Severnside? Apart from the Mem we've only ever got pp at the UWE. Where was the Kingswood stadium? Not an obvious location for a massive new super development.... |
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