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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 11, 2023 16:55:04 GMT
The haters did not want Joey at the club. Speak for yourself not We. Tisdale 2 was a average centre back playing the majority of his football for Team Bath and Exeter City, he will not have many useful contacts in the premiership. Lets see how many Elliot Anderson type players he brings to the club in January. How many of that type to Barton bring in?? He said himself he didn't want him. A lot of clubs wouldn't loan Barton players, as he had fallen out of them at some stage! All managers can easily bring in players on loan. The clubs will look at your facilities, how much the player will play, how much you will pay towards their wages etc. If anything Bartons reputation would have made it harder for us. The fact he brought in the likes of EA, Coburn, Taylor and Luke & Bobby Thomas, hardly supports that view? I'd say that's probably the best set of loan players any manager has ever brought to the club by some distance. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Dec 11, 2023 17:04:59 GMT
How many of that type to Barton bring in?? He said himself he didn't want him. A lot of clubs wouldn't loan Barton players, as he had fallen out of them at some stage! All managers can easily bring in players on loan. The clubs will look at your facilities, how much the player will play, how much you will pay towards their wages etc. If anything Bartons reputation would have made it harder for us. The fact he brought in the likes of EA, Coburn, Taylor and Luke & Bobby Thomas, hardly supports that view? I'd say that's probably the best set of loan players any manager has ever brought to the club by some distance. They said about links to players at top clubs and you've listed players that were on loan from Championship clubs. We probably could have signed them, who ever was in charge. Thomas even fell out with Barton, but wanted to move back to Bristol, so signed anyway. Bobby Thomas went on loan to another club in the league. Middleborough or Newcastle didn't loan us any players after them. So we hardly lost his links. Taylor loaned players fun Wolves, Chelsea, Forest and a lot of championship clubs while at Exeter. |
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Post by percy on Dec 11, 2023 17:11:05 GMT
How many of that type to Barton bring in?? He said himself he didn't want him. A lot of clubs wouldn't loan Barton players, as he had fallen out of them at some stage! All managers can easily bring in players on loan. The clubs will look at your facilities, how much the player will play, how much you will pay towards their wages etc. If anything Bartons reputation would have made it harder for us. The fact he brought in the likes of EA, Coburn, Taylor and Luke & Bobby Thomas, hardly supports that view? I'd say that's probably the best set of loan players any manager has ever brought to the club by some distance. The quality of loan players at L1 and L2 level over the past few years has been much better across the board - maybe just more of them so more succeed, but loads of clubs without Joey did as well if not better than us. E.g. Plymouth. Even Swindon have been picking up some cracking players. The guy at Stockport (injured now?) looks incredible. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 11, 2023 17:52:57 GMT
The fact he brought in the likes of EA, Coburn, Taylor and Luke & Bobby Thomas, hardly supports that view? I'd say that's probably the best set of loan players any manager has ever brought to the club by some distance. They said about links to players at top clubs and you've listed players that were on loan from Championship clubs. We probably could have signed them, who ever was in charge. Thomas even fell out with Barton, but wanted to move back to Bristol, so signed anyway. Bobby Thomas went on loan to another club in the league. Middleborough or Newcastle didn't loan us any players after them. So we hardly lost his links. Taylor loaned players fun Wolves, Chelsea, Forest and a lot of championship clubs while at Exeter. So who did we sign of similar quality in the season before JB was appointed? Looking at MT's loan signings whilst he was at Exeter he didn't sign any comparable players. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 11, 2023 18:01:38 GMT
How many of that type to Barton bring in?? He said himself he didn't want him. A lot of clubs wouldn't loan Barton players, as he had fallen out of them at some stage! All managers can easily bring in players on loan. The clubs will look at your facilities, how much the player will play, how much you will pay towards their wages etc. If anything Bartons reputation would have made it harder for us. The fact he brought in the likes of EA, Coburn, Taylor and Luke & Bobby Thomas, hardly supports that view? I'd say that's probably the best set of loan players any manager has ever brought to the club by some distance. Don't forget Celery Ballscombe... |
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Post by pirate on Dec 12, 2023 12:45:19 GMT
Love Bryan’s Gunn
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 12, 2023 22:51:41 GMT
Boing. Boing. Boing. Boing.
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Post by gasify on Dec 13, 2023 5:42:02 GMT
How many of that type to Barton bring in?? He said himself he didn't want him. A lot of clubs wouldn't loan Barton players, as he had fallen out of them at some stage! All managers can easily bring in players on loan. The clubs will look at your facilities, how much the player will play, how much you will pay towards their wages etc. If anything Bartons reputation would have made it harder for us. The fact he brought in the likes of EA, Coburn, Taylor and Luke & Bobby Thomas, hardly supports that view? I'd say that's probably the best set of loan players any manager has ever brought to the club by some distance. My view is that it wasn't the links and contacts that changed, it was what we were prepared to give up. This view is purely based on the Balcombe signing. When in our history have we ever guaranteed a start for the first 5 games? I would expect that this isn't isolated. Under DC we had some loan players, but DC didn't really play them and saw them more as back up players. Coburn is quite a good example of this. Not the guaranteed starts but what we're we prepared to give. In Coburns situation it was waiting until October for him to be fit (when did we start contributing to his wages?). For me, the Jury is still out on Luke Thomas. He runs alot but I don't see much by the way of end product. I would love to be proved wrong, he could be the Westcountry Gazza. That leaves Bobby Thomas, who was alright but not fantastic. Then has an argument with the manager and then gets sold for £2m which for me was unbelievable. So, if Taylor is prepared to put the club in a position where someone else dictates our starting 11 then I reckon we can continue to get these 'quality' loans in. |
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Dec 13, 2023 10:30:10 GMT
The fact he brought in the likes of EA, Coburn, Taylor and Luke & Bobby Thomas, hardly supports that view? I'd say that's probably the best set of loan players any manager has ever brought to the club by some distance. My view is that it wasn't the links and contacts that changed, it was what we were prepared to give up. This view is purely based on the Balcombe signing. When in our history have we ever guaranteed a start for the first 5 games? I would expect that this isn't isolated. Under DC we had some loan players, but DC didn't really play them and saw them more as back up players. Coburn is quite a good example of this. Not the guaranteed starts but what we're we prepared to give. In Coburns situation it was waiting until October for him to be fit (when did we start contributing to his wages?). For me, the Jury is still out on Luke Thomas. He runs alot but I don't see much by the way of end product. I would love to be proved wrong, he could be the Westcountry Gazza. That leaves Bobby Thomas, who was alright but not fantastic. Then has an argument with the manager and then gets sold for £2m which for me was unbelievable. So, if Taylor is prepared to put the club in a position where someone else dictates our starting 11 then I reckon we can continue to get these 'quality' loans in. Disagree on Luke Thomas. He breaks defensive lines and is involved in most of our best attacking play, even scoring a couple himself this season. It was also 3 games when we signed Balcombe, not 5, otherwise we had to pay a loan fee. That was a bizarre situation and no loan player should be guaranteed to start. |
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Post by gasify on Dec 13, 2023 12:56:07 GMT
My view is that it wasn't the links and contacts that changed, it was what we were prepared to give up. This view is purely based on the Balcombe signing. When in our history have we ever guaranteed a start for the first 5 games? I would expect that this isn't isolated. Under DC we had some loan players, but DC didn't really play them and saw them more as back up players. Coburn is quite a good example of this. Not the guaranteed starts but what we're we prepared to give. In Coburns situation it was waiting until October for him to be fit (when did we start contributing to his wages?). For me, the Jury is still out on Luke Thomas. He runs alot but I don't see much by the way of end product. I would love to be proved wrong, he could be the Westcountry Gazza. That leaves Bobby Thomas, who was alright but not fantastic. Then has an argument with the manager and then gets sold for £2m which for me was unbelievable. So, if Taylor is prepared to put the club in a position where someone else dictates our starting 11 then I reckon we can continue to get these 'quality' loans in. , even scoring a couple himself this season. It was also 3 games when we signed Balcombe, not 5, otherwise we had to pay a loan fee. That was a bizarre situation and no loan player should be guaranteed to start. I would love to be proved wrong, he could be the Westcountry Gazza Lets see what happens. 3 or 5. For me its the fact that games were guaranteed. It makes you wonder if anyone else is on a deal like that. |
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Post by richie on Dec 13, 2023 14:04:40 GMT
I think there are playing clauses in many of the loans we get in, its just that for some reason this was made public.
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Post by SleepyGas on Dec 13, 2023 14:38:56 GMT
I think there are playing clauses in many of the loans we get in, its just that for some reason this was made public. Which was odd in itself. He shipped 5 goals on his debut and then JB (in his infinite wisdom) announced that we had to play him in the next 2 games or we would have to spend a chunk of money. Rather than saying he had faith in him and wanted to give him another chance he threw the lad under a bus a bit and said he had to start him in the next few games contractually. Which didn't fill us fans with confidence and must have impacted the players too. |
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Post by eric on Dec 13, 2023 15:49:52 GMT
My view is that it wasn't the links and contacts that changed, it was what we were prepared to give up. This view is purely based on the Balcombe signing. When in our history have we ever guaranteed a start for the first 5 games? I would expect that this isn't isolated. Under DC we had some loan players, but DC didn't really play them and saw them more as back up players. Coburn is quite a good example of this. Not the guaranteed starts but what we're we prepared to give. In Coburns situation it was waiting until October for him to be fit (when did we start contributing to his wages?). For me, the Jury is still out on Luke Thomas. He runs alot but I don't see much by the way of end product. I would love to be proved wrong, he could be the Westcountry Gazza. That leaves Bobby Thomas, who was alright but not fantastic. Then has an argument with the manager and then gets sold for £2m which for me was unbelievable. So, if Taylor is prepared to put the club in a position where someone else dictates our starting 11 then I reckon we can continue to get these 'quality' loans in. Disagree on Luke Thomas. He breaks defensive lines and is involved in most of our best attacking play, even scoring a couple himself this season. It was also 3 games when we signed Balcombe, not 5, otherwise we had to pay a loan fee. That was a bizarre situation and no loan player should be guaranteed to start. Thomas and Evans are our most gifted players and along with Taylor (possibly an in form Collins) are the only ones who have the potential to play a higher level. My worry with Thomas is that if MT is switching to 5-3-2 is where does he fit in? |
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Post by socrates on Dec 13, 2023 15:55:01 GMT
I think there are playing clauses in many of the loans we get in, its just that for some reason this was made public. Which was odd in itself. He shipped 5 goals on his debut and then JB (in his infinite wisdom) announced that we had to play him in the next 2 games or we would have to spend a chunk of money. Rather than saying he had faith in him and wanted to give him another chance he threw the lad under a bus a bit and said he had to start him in the next few games contractually. Which didn't fill us fans with confidence and must have impacted the players too. For every decision he made that made sense there did seem to be one that was utterly ludicrous. |
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Dec 13, 2023 16:03:37 GMT
Disagree on Luke Thomas. He breaks defensive lines and is involved in most of our best attacking play, even scoring a couple himself this season. It was also 3 games when we signed Balcombe, not 5, otherwise we had to pay a loan fee. That was a bizarre situation and no loan player should be guaranteed to start. Thomas and Evans are our most gifted players and along with Taylor (possibly an in form Collins) are the only ones who have the potential to play a higher level. My worry with Thomas is that if MT is switching to 5-3-2 is where does he fit in? True, although I think we'll still need a variety of formations depending the opposition or just for game management. One thing I've noticed more in his play this season is his improved tracking back and breaking up opposition attacks. Could he be used as a WB? The lad certainly has the speed and fitness for it. |
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Post by eric on Dec 13, 2023 16:09:16 GMT
Thomas and Evans are our most gifted players and along with Taylor (possibly an in form Collins) are the only ones who have the potential to play a higher level. My worry with Thomas is that if MT is switching to 5-3-2 is where does he fit in? True, although I think we'll still need a variety of formations depending the opposition or just for game management. One thing I've noticed more in his play this season is his improved tracking back and breaking up opposition attacks. Could he be used as a WB? The lad certainly has the speed and fitness for it. Or maybe in a midfield three (within a 5-3-2) with a bit of license to roam? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2023 16:09:39 GMT
Disagree on Luke Thomas. He breaks defensive lines and is involved in most of our best attacking play, even scoring a couple himself this season. It was also 3 games when we signed Balcombe, not 5, otherwise we had to pay a loan fee. That was a bizarre situation and no loan player should be guaranteed to start. Thomas and Evans are our most gifted players and along with Taylor (possibly an in form Collins) are the only ones who have the potential to play a higher level. My worry with Thomas is that if MT is switching to 5-3-2 is where does he fit in? at the moment right wing back now hunt is injured again? |
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Post by eric on Dec 13, 2023 16:13:46 GMT
Thomas and Evans are our most gifted players and along with Taylor (possibly an in form Collins) are the only ones who have the potential to play a higher level. My worry with Thomas is that if MT is switching to 5-3-2 is where does he fit in? at the moment right wing back now hunt is injured again? Possibly as a temporary measure. I’m not sure he’s a great fit as a wingback permanently, probably a position tailor made (no pun intended) for Hunt. On the other side LWB could be the only potential route to the first team for young Jones? The make up of a midfield three in a 5-3-2 formation will be interesting. |
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Post by richie on Dec 13, 2023 20:09:37 GMT
I think there are playing clauses in many of the loans we get in, its just that for some reason this was made public. Which was odd in itself. He shipped 5 goals on his debut and then JB (in his infinite wisdom) announced that we had to play him in the next 2 games or we would have to spend a chunk of money. Rather than saying he had faith in him and wanted to give him another chance he threw the lad under a bus a bit and said he had to start him in the next few games contractually. Which didn't fill us fans with confidence and must have impacted the players too. Even more odd is that MT appears to agree having started cox in all three games which includes “pointless cup games” |
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Post by bidefordgas on Dec 18, 2023 20:17:15 GMT
Matt Taylor named as league one manager of the week.
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