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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 13, 2024 11:41:37 GMT
Posh had 4 years of his prime out of him and will recoup some of the money. They could have made a profit on him, if they sold him a few years ago. He wasn't nearly 30, when they paid out a fee. Posh normally pay fees for younger players. Posh would not buy him now, so I'm not sure why you are using them as an example. It was a different situation. I’m certain that if we had signed JCH in August we’d be sat in the playoff positions as a minimum and confident of promotion. Even at £850k and £7k pw wages it would have been a good deal financially and football wise. Clearly not as easy to get in the playoffs from where we are now but not impossible if we had the best Number 9 in the division joining us, he’d also still still have a couple of good years left. I fear we’ll at best get a couple of loans - hopefully more Eliot Anderson level and not of Timmy Abraham standard! In the summer we might go looking for up and coming young bargains (getting harder and harder these days) and we could be back to the likes of a Reilly and Daly. Martin is a goal scorer, but we play worse as a team when he plays. I don't think JCH or Martin can play a high press game. Peterborough were out of the play offs when he was playing and they have won more games since they dropped him. If we are going to spend that sort of money, it's better to spend it on a player that will fit our system. Peterborough this season are proof that he won't guarantee you play offs playing that way. They said he does not fit a high press system and that they signed players for that system. |
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Post by gasheadontour on Jan 13, 2024 12:00:08 GMT
Seems some have expectations that we could simply sign the next Thierry Henry for peanuts.
However, a lot of managers want their No9 to stay central in the box to get on the end of chances. We've got the players to create chances to get the ball into those areas.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 13, 2024 12:06:21 GMT
Really interesting to know what he actually wants to do. I know he would have been our highest earner if we signed him in the summer, but I’m still not sure we would have been paying him as much as Peterborough are. With Charlton splashing out a million plus for players then surely they were still offering JCH similar or even more than what he’s on now? He's on £6.1k p/w at Peterborough and we agreed £7.5k p/w. How do you know this ? |
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Post by pirate on Jan 13, 2024 12:14:40 GMT
He's on £6.1k p/w at Peterborough and we agreed £7.5k p/w. How do you know this ? People talk. Told the same figures from 3 different people, a box holder with good contacts at the club who also told me Taylor was a done deal several days before an announcement and about the backroom departues, another who is a recruitment analyst and another who works for an agency representing players. |
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Post by adrian301 on Jan 13, 2024 12:42:15 GMT
He's on £6.1k p/w at Peterborough and we agreed £7.5k p/w. How do you know this ? I shudder when I see these type of wages. 7k a week = £350,000 a year, for ONE player! Oh for the days of Gerry Francis, where £350,000 paid for the whole squad (maybe), and everything was a bit more sustainable. |
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Post by eric on Jan 13, 2024 12:46:37 GMT
I’m certain that if we had signed JCH in August we’d be sat in the playoff positions as a minimum and confident of promotion. Even at £850k and £7k pw wages it would have been a good deal financially and football wise. Clearly not as easy to get in the playoffs from where we are now but not impossible if we had the best Number 9 in the division joining us, he’d also still still have a couple of good years left. I fear we’ll at best get a couple of loans - hopefully more Eliot Anderson level and not of Timmy Abraham standard! In the summer we might go looking for up and coming young bargains (getting harder and harder these days) and we could be back to the likes of a Reilly and Daly. Martin is a goal scorer, but we play worse as a team when he plays. I don't think JCH or Martin can play a high press game. Peterborough were out of the play offs when he was playing and they have won more games since they dropped him. If we are going to spend that sort of money, it's better to spend it on a player that will fit our system. Peterborough this season are proof that he won't guarantee you play offs playing that way. They said he does not fit a high press system and that they signed players for that system. Call me old fashioned but I’d always take a number 9 that scores prolifically than one who can run about like a blue arsed fly😁. I’m also not convinced that JCH is the immobile tub of lard that some think. He won’t be as good at pressing as Marquis but will be much better than Martin. Also our current system allows two strikers so he will have someone to share the load and add pace (Collins) whereas in Barton’s 4-2-3-1 he’d have been a bit more isolated. All largely irrelevant as it seems the club and MT have made their decision. A big opportunity missed though imo. |
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Post by eric on Jan 13, 2024 12:50:05 GMT
I shudder when I see these type of wages. 7k a week = £350,000 a year, for ONE player! Oh for the days of Gerry Francis, where £350,000 paid for the whole squad (maybe), and everything was a bit more sustainable. Relatively speaking we did spend a lot on transfers on the Twerton era though. Tillson was over £300k, Channing was over £200k, Hardyman £100k plus others I’ve probably forgotten. I don’t know how we managed that back then. |
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Post by Quarters on Jan 13, 2024 13:00:28 GMT
I shudder when I see these type of wages. 7k a week = £350,000 a year, for ONE player! Oh for the days of Gerry Francis, where £350,000 paid for the whole squad (maybe), and everything was a bit more sustainable. Relatively speaking we did spend a lot on transfers on the Twerton era though. Tillson was over £300k, Channing was over £200k, Hardyman £100k plus others I’ve probably forgotten. I don’t know how we managed that back then. After previously selling Martyn and Penrice for large fees. |
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Post by bravosierraseven on Jan 13, 2024 13:01:01 GMT
I shudder when I see these type of wages. 7k a week = £350,000 a year, for ONE player! Oh for the days of Gerry Francis, where £350,000 paid for the whole squad (maybe), and everything was a bit more sustainable. Me too. I was gob smacked when it was suggested we were paying that fee for JCH, then I realised we have been in a parallel universe of Free transfers and Free agents for so long and the real world has moved on. The likes of Peterborough are spending decent sums of money to capture some non league players and in the main it's paid off for them. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 13, 2024 13:02:30 GMT
I shudder when I see these type of wages. 7k a week = £350,000 a year, for ONE player! Oh for the days of Gerry Francis, where £350,000 paid for the whole squad (maybe), and everything was a bit more sustainable. Relatively speaking we did spend a lot on transfers on the Twerton era though. Tillson was over £300k, Channing was over £200k, Hardyman £100k plus others I’ve probably forgotten. I don’t know how we managed that back then. Generated a budget with smart recruitment and player trading. Nigel Martyn the first £1million GK, Steve Yates sold to QPR for about £700k, Penrice sold to Watford for about £500k, Ollie to QPR about £250k, Bruno to Cambridge Utd for a fee and Gareth Taylor to Crystal Palace for about £1.25m. |
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Post by adrian301 on Jan 13, 2024 13:13:16 GMT
We have ALWAYS been selling club. Trouble is at the moment we aint got no assets to sell. Even if we sold Collins it wouldn't cover JCH's wages. We need to offload the big earners and get back in the bargain bin.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 13, 2024 13:15:16 GMT
I’m certain that if we had signed JCH in August we’d be sat in the playoff positions as a minimum and confident of promotion. Even at £850k and £7k pw wages it would have been a good deal financially and football wise. Clearly not as easy to get in the playoffs from where we are now but not impossible if we had the best Number 9 in the division joining us, he’d also still still have a couple of good years left. I fear we’ll at best get a couple of loans - hopefully more Eliot Anderson level and not of Timmy Abraham standard! In the summer we might go looking for up and coming young bargains (getting harder and harder these days) and we could be back to the likes of a Reilly and Daly. Martin is a goal scorer, but we play worse as a team when he plays. I don't think JCH or Martin can play a high press game. Peterborough were out of the play offs when he was playing and they have won more games since they dropped him. If we are going to spend that sort of money, it's better to spend it on a player that will fit our system. Peterborough this season are proof that he won't guarantee you play offs playing that way. They said he does not fit a high press system and that they signed players for that system. JCH has hardly figured to be "dropped" as DM's clearly trying to force him to leave sooner rather than later. When he did play recently he scored 2 goals in a game. Given we play with Martin in the side then I'd imagine JCH could fit in. As eric suggests JCH is a real bute, Martin's not the same, probably relying more on skill rather than the physical side of his game. Assuming we open the new stand soon JCH could fill it and probably pay for his additional wages over a routine No 9 signing. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 13, 2024 13:16:50 GMT
We have ALWAYS been selling club. Trouble is at the moment we aint got no assets to sell. Even if we sold Collins it wouldn't cover JCH's wages. We need to offload the big earners and get back in the bargain bin. Why, who said we have financial issues? Surely the new stand, once it opens, means we can spend more on players, obviously within reason? |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 13, 2024 13:37:16 GMT
I shudder when I see these type of wages. 7k a week = £350,000 a year, for ONE player! Oh for the days of Gerry Francis, where £350,000 paid for the whole squad (maybe), and everything was a bit more sustainable. Relatively speaking we did spend a lot on transfers on the Twerton era though. Tillson was over £300k, Channing was over £200k, Hardyman £100k plus others I’ve probably forgotten. I don’t know how we managed that back then. Dunsford & Higgs went crazy with signings too. We spent big money on Ellington Hayles Cureton Micky Evans Scott Jones Roberts Thompson zamora Astafjevs Leoni Foster etc around 1997 - 2003. Ex players told me the packages we paid for Hiller David Lee Lee Martin Mark Walters were eye-watering. The club was regularly spending 500 - 700k a season for 4 years just on fees. Currently we spent 300k in the last 16 months and the vast ammount of our players contracts expire / loans end in a few months. We have 10 players contracted beyond this summer. Based on the current squad as it is . I don't put it anywhere near a top 8 budget and it's a pittance compared to what we were spending 20 years ago on fees. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 13, 2024 13:41:07 GMT
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Post by The Equaliser on Jan 13, 2024 13:59:25 GMT
We have ALWAYS been selling club. Trouble is at the moment we aint got no assets to sell. Even if we sold Collins it wouldn't cover JCH's wages. We need to offload the big earners and get back in the bargain bin. So basically sell our good players (that’s why they are what you call ‘big earners’) and replace with ones not as good/cheaper? |
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Post by adrian301 on Jan 13, 2024 14:10:08 GMT
We have ALWAYS been selling club. Trouble is at the moment we aint got no assets to sell. Even if we sold Collins it wouldn't cover JCH's wages. We need to offload the big earners and get back in the bargain bin. So basically sell our good players (that’s why they are what you call ‘big earners’) and replace with ones not as good/cheaper? We've always done this. We need a Brentford model to progress. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 13, 2024 14:10:40 GMT
Martin is a goal scorer, but we play worse as a team when he plays. I don't think JCH or Martin can play a high press game. Peterborough were out of the play offs when he was playing and they have won more games since they dropped him. If we are going to spend that sort of money, it's better to spend it on a player that will fit our system. Peterborough this season are proof that he won't guarantee you play offs playing that way. They said he does not fit a high press system and that they signed players for that system. JCH has hardly figured to be "dropped" as DM's clearly trying to force him to leave sooner rather than later. When he did play recently he scored 2 goals in a game. Given we play with Martin in the side then I'd imagine JCH could fit in. As eric suggests JCH is a real bute, Martin's not the same, probably relying more on skill rather than the physical side of his game. Assuming we open the new stand soon JCH could fill it and probably pay for his additional wages over a routine No 9 signing. He scored 2, but it was one of the few games that didn't win recently. It's a team game. |
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Post by The Equaliser on Jan 13, 2024 14:13:00 GMT
So basically sell our good players (that’s why they are what you call ‘big earners’) and replace with ones not as good/cheaper? We've always done this. We need a Brentford model to progress. I take your point, but you say we’ve always done this and need to do it to progress? Well we haven’t done that well in the past with this model, and trying a different way we are currently top half league one which for us over last few decades is pretty good 👍🏾 |
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Post by adrian301 on Jan 13, 2024 14:15:21 GMT
Relatively speaking we did spend a lot on transfers on the Twerton era though. Tillson was over £300k, Channing was over £200k, Hardyman £100k plus others I’ve probably forgotten. I don’t know how we managed that back then. Dunsford & Higgs went crazy with signings too. We spent big money on Ellington Hayles Cureton Micky Evans Scott Jones Roberts Thompson zamora Astafjevs Leoni Foster etc around 1997 - 2003. Ex players told me the packages we paid for Hiller David Lee Lee Martin Mark Walters were eye-watering. The club was regularly spending 500 - 700k a season for 4 years just on fees. Currently we spent 300k in the last 16 months and the vast ammount of our players contracts expire / loans end in a few months. We have 10 players contracted beyond this summer. Based on the current squad as it is . I don't put it anywhere near a top 8 budget and it's a pittance compared to what we were spending 20 years ago on fees. I think there was an era of Dunford/Holloway where we went for it. We blew the chance of promotion with a dismal performance in the last match at Cardiff. We then had to do a lot of cutting costs, because the gamble didn't pay off. |
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