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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 13, 2024 14:24:58 GMT
Dunsford & Higgs went crazy with signings too. We spent big money on Ellington Hayles Cureton Micky Evans Scott Jones Roberts Thompson zamora Astafjevs Leoni Foster etc around 1997 - 2003. Ex players told me the packages we paid for Hiller David Lee Lee Martin Mark Walters were eye-watering. The club was regularly spending 500 - 700k a season for 4 years just on fees. Currently we spent 300k in the last 16 months and the vast ammount of our players contracts expire / loans end in a few months. We have 10 players contracted beyond this summer. Based on the current squad as it is . I don't put it anywhere near a top 8 budget and it's a pittance compared to what we were spending 20 years ago on fees. I think there was an era of Dunford/Holloway where we went for it. We blew the chance of promotion with a dismal performance in the last match at Cardiff. We then had to do a lot of cutting costs, because the gamble didn't pay off. You are 100% correct . Fast forward 20 years and we are in exactly the same position. It would appear the club is being prudent and not spending beyond its means. Maybe I was niave in thinking things would change and we would compete with the top 6 teams. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 13, 2024 19:22:10 GMT
So basically sell our good players (that’s why they are what you call ‘big earners’) and replace with ones not as good/cheaper? We've always done this. We need a Brentford model to progress. Lee Dykes, the club’s current Technical Director, who has been there since 2019 after joining from Bury, said: “Matthew [Benham, owner] will tell you himself that we never want to be in a position where we have to outspend our competitors – we out think them. That’s why it’s such an innovative club and everything recruitment wise is geared towards that philosophy.” |
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Post by pirate on Jan 13, 2024 19:50:22 GMT
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Post by oasisgas on Jan 13, 2024 21:10:58 GMT
Wanted JCH in the summer and I would still take him now.
After the press stories a couple of weeks back I kinda accepted it looked and still looks unlikely to happen but just maybe just maybe at a long shot the club and Jonno still want it to happen and what better way than for Jonno to dig his heels in with it sounding like that is what is happening at with Charlton and then we come in with a lower offer of say 300k and his agent tells Dmac and Fry he only wants Rovers if not he will see out his contract and go for sweet FA in the summer, what will they do?? I am pretty certain they will have to give in rather than keep him and get nothing for him.
Probably my thinking is a million miles away from what is going on but the longer this goes on up until the window shutting without him moving the more the conspiracy theorist like myself will be thinking that something might be brewing.
He will probably sign for Charlton on Monday now 🤣🤣
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Post by Gassy on Jan 13, 2024 21:49:43 GMT
All of this is well and good, but it seems like MT isn’t interested?
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Post by phillistine on Jan 13, 2024 22:14:42 GMT
All of this is well and good, but it seems like MT isn’t interested? And you know this how? Have you heard him say that ? Do you really think that he would turn down the Leagues top scorer for the last few years if he was offered the player? |
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Post by 84gas on Jan 13, 2024 22:16:10 GMT
Starting to think we will get for free in May now….
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 13, 2024 22:18:48 GMT
All of this is well and good, but it seems like MT isn’t interested? And you know this how? Have you heard him say that ? Do you really think that he would turn down the Leagues top scorer for the last few years if he was offered the player? I guess that depends on his budget as if he was told he could sign just JCH this window or 3(?) Additional players then perhaps he thinks the second option is preferable? Although he may have been told all he can are free transfers and loan players, none of us really know what he's got to spend. |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 13, 2024 22:29:11 GMT
All of this is well and good, but it seems like MT isn’t interested? And you know this how? Have you heard him say that ? Do you really think that he would turn down the Leagues top scorer for the last few years if he was offered the player? No need to act like you’re personally offended, is there? I said it seems like, and it was reported in the Post that we’re not going back for him and that MT isn’t interested. I’ve said many times I’d take JCH back and don’t understand fans who wouldn’t want him. But the signs seem to point in one direction at this point. Tbh with you, following MT’s comments about Martin today, I’m starting to have serious concerns about our new owners. My only hope is they’re debating wages of JCH Vs Martin. And even if they are, they should not be undermining the managers wishes and signing players themselves. |
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Post by onedaygas83 on Jan 13, 2024 22:36:13 GMT
And you know this how? Have you heard him say that ? Do you really think that he would turn down the Leagues top scorer for the last few years if he was offered the player? No need to act like you’re personally offended, is there? I said it seems like, and it was reported in the Post that we’re not going back for him and that MT isn’t interested. I’ve said many times I’d take JCH back and don’t understand fans who wouldn’t want him. But the signs seem to point in one direction at this point. Tbh with you, following MT’s comments about Martin today, I’m starting to have serious concerns about our new owners. My only hope is they’re debating wages of JCH Vs Martin. And even if they are, they should not be undermining the managers wishes and signing players themselves. agree totally MT is now seeing that he doesn't have a budget to work with! It's alarming that a new manager would hint at his frustration after only being here a few months. |
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Post by socrates on Jan 13, 2024 23:11:04 GMT
No need to act like you’re personally offended, is there? I said it seems like, and it was reported in the Post that we’re not going back for him and that MT isn’t interested. I’ve said many times I’d take JCH back and don’t understand fans who wouldn’t want him. But the signs seem to point in one direction at this point. Tbh with you, following MT’s comments about Martin today, I’m starting to have serious concerns about our new owners. My only hope is they’re debating wages of JCH Vs Martin. And even if they are, they should not be undermining the managers wishes and signing players themselves. agree totally MT is now seeing that he doesn't have a budget to work with! It's alarming that a new manager would hint at his frustration after only being here a few months. All he said is that he’d like to see it done but obviously Martin in the form he’s in is hot property. How does that mean Taylor hasn’t got a budget to work with ? |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 13, 2024 23:20:08 GMT
agree totally MT is now seeing that he doesn't have a budget to work with! It's alarming that a new manager would hint at his frustration after only being here a few months. All he said is that he’d like to see it done but obviously Martin in the form he’s in is hot property. How does that mean Taylor hasn’t got a budget to work with ? 2+2 always = 5 on here😂. I expect Martin is already on a hand decent wage. Imo the main issue, could be the length of the contract. He will want to have as long a deal as possibly at his age. We won't want him for too long, as he's 35 already! If he can get a longer deal elsewhere, he might go. At least his contract runs out before the end of the window. So if he doesn't sign, we have time you sign someone else. |
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Post by phillistine on Jan 13, 2024 23:21:46 GMT
No need to act like you’re personally offended, is there? I said it seems like, and it was reported in the Post that we’re not going back for him and that MT isn’t interested. I’ve said many times I’d take JCH back and don’t understand fans who wouldn’t want him. But the signs seem to point in one direction at this point. Tbh with you, following MT’s comments about Martin today, I’m starting to have serious concerns about our new owners. My only hope is they’re debating wages of JCH Vs Martin. And even if they are, they should not be undermining the managers wishes and signing players themselves. agree totally MT is now seeing that he doesn't have a budget to work with! It's alarming that a new manager would hint at his frustration after only being here a few months. Personally offended?? I was simply asking a question - there was nothing personal about it at all. I was told before MT became manager that the club had already told Peterborough that we were pulling out of any deal so i genuinely wondered if MT had said that. As i said I find it surprising that any Manager would discount a proven goalscorer. Its like saying that MT has no budget and is frustrated when you probably dont understand the way that the system works. The manager goes to the clubs negotiating team and tells them who he would like to sign and why. He puts a value on the player but the financiers do the negotiations. That is the way most clubs work and why MT said he has put forward his case for extending his contract . Lets face it the contract wont be extended as that would imply the terms would be the same and now that Martin has proved his fitness and hit the goal trail he is going to want more money and possibly a longer contract . The club on the other hand dont want to overspend on a 35 year old who is enjoying a purple patch in the twilight of his career |
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Post by socrates on Jan 13, 2024 23:46:36 GMT
All he said is that he’d like to see it done but obviously Martin in the form he’s in is hot property. How does that mean Taylor hasn’t got a budget to work with ? 2+2 always = 5 on here😂. I expect Martin is already on a hand decent wage. Imo the main issue, could be the length of the contract. He will want to have as long a deal as possibly at his age. We won't want him for too long, as he's 35 already! If he can get a longer deal elsewhere, he might go. At least his contract runs out before the end of the window. So if he doesn't sign, we have time you sign someone else. Exactly , for example he’d prefer 5 grand a week for 18 months over 10 grand a week for 6 months. It’ll drag on until the last few days of the window or until his contracts up whichever is first. People assuming Taylor has no money to spend because we haven’t yet only two weeks in to the window cracks me up. Around 90 % of business gets done in the last week and a lot of that happens in the final couple of days. |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 13, 2024 23:54:52 GMT
agree totally MT is now seeing that he doesn't have a budget to work with! It's alarming that a new manager would hint at his frustration after only being here a few months. Personally offended?? I was simply asking a question - there was nothing personal about it at all. I was told before MT became manager that the club had already told Peterborough that we were pulling out of any deal so i genuinely wondered if MT had said that. As i said I find it surprising that any Manager would discount a proven goalscorer. I don’t believe your question was as innocent as you’re claiming here. Three questions, two of which are asking me to provide proof of how I personally know our manager and whether I basically have recordings of him saying something, all based on my comment, “it seems like”. As I mentioned, there’s articles to back up where I based my speculation. If you need someone to take out your frustrations over our potential lack of JCH internet, feel free to email the post directly. Let’s be honest, who on here actually thinks we’re going to sign him this month? And if so, based on what? |
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Post by phillistine on Jan 14, 2024 3:48:53 GMT
Personally offended?? I was simply asking a question - there was nothing personal about it at all. I was told before MT became manager that the club had already told Peterborough that we were pulling out of any deal so i genuinely wondered if MT had said that. As i said I find it surprising that any Manager would discount a proven goalscorer. I don’t believe your question was as innocent as you’re claiming here. Three questions, two of which are asking me to provide proof of how I personally know our manager and whether I basically have recordings of him saying something, all based on my comment, “it seems like”. As I mentioned, there’s articles to back up where I based my speculation. If you need someone to take out your frustrations over our potential lack of JCH internet, feel free to email the post directly. Let’s be honest, who on here actually thinks we’re going to sign him this month? And if so, based on what? What on earth are you talking about ? For what it’s worth I long thought the JCH deal was dead and believed that Martin would extend his contract until the summer and then Taylor would go in for someone like Nombe - a younger more mobile striker who fits in with how he wants us to play. He took him to Rotherham but the strikers career does not seem to have taken off there and they are heading for relegation and will probably look to offload . The only reason that I have begun to wonder about JCH is purely because he has not signed for Charlton. Why would he delay agreeing personal terms unless he has other options that are not in the public arena ? I am not angry or frustrated or any emotion that you want to throw at me just curious . You were the one inferring that you knew Taylor did not want him which was why I asked the question. |
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Post by 1950gas on Jan 14, 2024 4:22:05 GMT
Just a thought.
A previous post mentioned the possibility of loaning JCH till the end of the season !. Now as the saga rolls on it does seem like a good idea. Pay him his 7k a week till end of season and see where it takes us. If we need him next year negotiate a new deal and if we don’t then he’s a free agent to go where he pleases.
Opps I’ve just stopped dreaming
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Post by Gassy on Jan 14, 2024 7:06:51 GMT
I don’t believe your question was as innocent as you’re claiming here. Three questions, two of which are asking me to provide proof of how I personally know our manager and whether I basically have recordings of him saying something, all based on my comment, “it seems like”. As I mentioned, there’s articles to back up where I based my speculation. If you need someone to take out your frustrations over our potential lack of JCH internet, feel free to email the post directly. Let’s be honest, who on here actually thinks we’re going to sign him this month? And if so, based on what? What on earth are you talking about ? For what it’s worth I long thought the JCH deal was dead and believed that Martin would extend his contract until the summer and then Taylor would go in for someone like Nombe - a younger more mobile striker who fits in with how he wants us to play. He took him to Rotherham but the strikers career does not seem to have taken off there and they are heading for relegation and will probably look to offload . The only reason that I have begun to wonder about JCH is purely because he has not signed for Charlton. Why would he delay agreeing personal terms unless he has other options that are not in the public arena ? I am not angry or frustrated or any emotion that you want to throw at me just curious . You were the one inferring that you knew Taylor did not want him which was why I asked the question. Ok, seems like we’re talking on different wave lengths. Anyway, see here a quote from Barry Fry at P’boro saying Taylor isn’t interested. This was my point. People are speculating a lot about what type of deal we should try and offer him - but it seems like we’re not interested, so didn’t understand all the speculation still |
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Post by The Equaliser on Jan 14, 2024 7:11:29 GMT
2+2 always = 5 on here😂. I expect Martin is already on a hand decent wage. Imo the main issue, could be the length of the contract. He will want to have as long a deal as possibly at his age. We won't want him for too long, as he's 35 already! If he can get a longer deal elsewhere, he might go. At least his contract runs out before the end of the window. So if he doesn't sign, we have time you sign someone else. Exactly , for example he’d prefer 5 grand a week for 18 months over 10 grand a week for 6 months. It’ll drag on until the last few days of the window or until his contracts up whichever is first. People assuming Taylor has no money to spend because we haven’t yet only two weeks in to the window cracks me up. Around 90 % of business gets done in the last week and a lot of that happens in the final couple of days. Agreed Socrates, sadly the last couple of days of a transfer window is usually when our typewriter runs out of ribbon suddenly 😂 |
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Post by Fat Albert on Jan 14, 2024 7:57:10 GMT
Can’t see us being too interested now tbh. I could understand if we were right in the mix and we wanted to roll the dice to get a promotion push over the line, but as yesterday showed we are too easy to score against to be realistic promotion candidates.
I would say it’s more likely we will wait it out and if he becomes available in the summer then who knows? Other than that it looks like most people are just hoping he wants to come back here above anyone else due to some affection for the club, which is probably nowhere near the regard us fans had for him in the short time he was here!
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