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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 15, 2024 14:56:41 GMT
Problem is that Brentford, like it or not are a premiership club. I could only say that Peterborough are doing the same at our level. How much can you develop a player when we end up selling Kyrie Pierre who was 15 to Aston Villa, agents have vested interests and so do the players, after all its a short career being left in the lower leagues. lets talk about the approach at Charlton, whats their identity at the moment, hows the scouting been undertaken for them? Chelsea another premiership club, have an extensive scouting network - hows that been working for them? But Brentford were a League One football club when the owner Matthew Benham bought the club. Like us. In regards to the Kylie Pierre point, the same thing happened to Brentford with them losing the likes of England youth international Ian Carlo Poveda to Man City for peanuts. What did they do? Innovate. Switched to a B team model. inews.co.uk/sport/football/brentford-academy-closed-scouts-126896Charlton have similarly been a basket case for years. Chelsea are one of the most successful English clubs in the 21st century and according to Kieran Maguire, Mason Mount’s departure took Chelsea’s player profit to £765m in the last ten years, which is the highest in the Premier League and by some distance. We did try and do a development side, when Wael first took over. We even paid a fee for the youngster from Newport, that was highly rated and played for them at a young age. Because we didn't get instant success and it was costing lots, we scrapped it though. It's definitely something worth looking at again. Could still have youth teams up to a certain age, if we get the right training facilities. If there was a pathway,a development side and we had decent facilities, with the first team. Then decent youngsters might stay with us and others might join us, when they are released from Prem academys etc |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Jan 15, 2024 15:01:15 GMT
Many years ago when I lived in Staffordshire,Roy Dolling phoned me and asked could I recommend a couple of local youngsters to attend a trial.I have no expertise for 'Spotting' players but did recommend two from the NW Counties league.One signed for Wycombe a month later and the other I received a letter thanking me but not followed up I suspect.Point is our Scouting policy seems a bit vague and un structured.Take it our better loans such as Elliot Anderson were down to JB?  Friend in Rugeley,Staffs is employed by a rival EFL club to watch and then report on his employers next opponents for every game. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 15, 2024 15:05:11 GMT
But Brentford were a League One football club when the owner Matthew Benham bought the club. Like us. In regards to the Kylie Pierre point, the same thing happened to Brentford with them losing the likes of England youth international Ian Carlo Poveda to Man City for peanuts. What did they do? Innovate. Switched to a B team model. inews.co.uk/sport/football/brentford-academy-closed-scouts-126896Charlton have similarly been a basket case for years. Chelsea are one of the most successful English clubs in the 21st century and according to Kieran Maguire, Mason Mount’s departure took Chelsea’s player profit to £765m in the last ten years, which is the highest in the Premier League and by some distance. We did try and do a development side, when Wael first took over. We even paid a fee for the youngster from Newport, that was highly rated and played for them at a young age. Because we didn't get instant success and it was costing lots, we scrapped it though. It's definitely something worth looking at again. Could still have youth teams up to a certain age, if we get the right training facilities. If there was a pathway,a development side and we had decent facilities, with the first team. Then decent youngsters might stay with us and others might join us, when they are released from Prem academys etc The development squad wasn't costing much and DC was on record at the time saying the players were on "peanuts". Typical of our short sighted approach under Wael that it was scrapped. |
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Post by SleepyGas on Jan 15, 2024 15:11:16 GMT
Take it our better loans such as Elliot Anderson were down to JB? Presumably more down to JB being mates with Shola Ameobi from their playing days and Shola being in charge of finding clubs for Newcastle's young players to be loaned out to! Boy did we get lucky with that one! |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 15, 2024 17:16:45 GMT
We did try and do a development side, when Wael first took over. We even paid a fee for the youngster from Newport, that was highly rated and played for them at a young age. Because we didn't get instant success and it was costing lots, we scrapped it though. It's definitely something worth looking at again. Could still have youth teams up to a certain age, if we get the right training facilities. If there was a pathway,a development side and we had decent facilities, with the first team. Then decent youngsters might stay with us and others might join us, when they are released from Prem academys etc The development squad wasn't costing much and DC was on record at the time saying the players were on "peanuts". Typical of our short sighted approach under Wael that it was scrapped. I agree, it shouldn't have been cut. It was Wael that started it though and I heard he didn't want it cut. But he let the manager decide on the playing budget and it was Barton who said he would rather put it into the first team squad. Wael should have been stronger and not let the manager make that decision. |
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 15, 2024 17:28:59 GMT
The development squad wasn't costing much and DC was on record at the time saying the players were on "peanuts". Typical of our short sighted approach under Wael that it was scrapped. I agree, it shouldn't have been cut. It was Wael that started it though and I heard he didn't want it cut. But he let the manager decide on the playing budget and it was Barton who said he would rather put it into the first team squad. Wael should have been stronger and not let the manager make that decision. That’s the issue, he let it become a dictatorship. Incredibly weak but, that’s the man. |
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Post by richie on Jan 15, 2024 19:39:20 GMT
Problem is that Brentford, like it or not are a premiership club. I could only say that Peterborough are doing the same at our level. How much can you develop a player when we end up selling Kyrie Pierre who was 15 to Aston Villa, agents have vested interests and so do the players, after all its a short career being left in the lower leagues. lets talk about the approach at Charlton, whats their identity at the moment, hows the scouting been undertaken for them? Chelsea another premiership club, have an extensive scouting network - hows that been working for them? But Brentford were a League One football club when the owner Matthew Benham bought the club. Like us. In regards to the Kylie Pierre point, the same thing happened to Brentford with them losing the likes of England youth international Ian Carlo Poveda to Man City for peanuts. What did they do? Innovate. Switched to a B team model. inews.co.uk/sport/football/brentford-academy-closed-scouts-126896Charlton have similarly been a basket case for years. Chelsea are one of the most successful English clubs in the 21st century and according to Kieran Maguire, Mason Mount’s departure took Chelsea’s player profit to £765m in the last ten years, which is the highest in the Premier League and by some distance. Is that the same basket case club that were in the prem not that long ago? Any stats that matter on Chelsea like players that actually played and improved the team? Absolutely no point in buying players just to sell them. People don’t celebrate sales they celebrate the team winning. £800m down in the last year and barely top half. They are an absolute mess |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 15, 2024 19:47:37 GMT
Back to topic.... unexpectedly, jch is still available.
Just sayin...
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Jan 15, 2024 19:57:26 GMT
I really hope JCH Stays at Peterborough right until the end of his contract & they get F/all.
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Post by kampucheagas on Jan 15, 2024 20:01:44 GMT
I’m amazed he hasn’t been snapped up by either a club aiming to get to the championship (Derby? Bolton? Pompey?) or a championship club looking to desperately survive (QPR? Stoke?)
I guess the guy is happy to wait for the summer if needs be, he will obviously go to the club that offers him his last professional pay day
It looks from the outside that we are not going to splash much cash (if any) this window, and MT will have a keen eye on next seasons budget
Fast unknown loan striker for me, along side a commanding CB and a CDM
UTG
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 15, 2024 20:06:32 GMT
Back to topic.... unexpectedly, jch is still available. Just sayin... I don’t think he’ll be back here any time soon. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 15, 2024 20:16:33 GMT
Back to topic.... unexpectedly, jch is still available. Just sayin... I don’t think he’ll be back here any time soon. I agree. But with another host of missed chances at the weekend, which is becoming the norm before we inevitably go 1-0 down and stop singing, I start to wonder (like many others) if the answer of scoring goals is staring us in the face for a third time? ...... and we're not taking it!? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2024 20:23:46 GMT
We did try and do a development side, when Wael first took over. We even paid a fee for the youngster from Newport, that was highly rated and played for them at a young age. Because we didn't get instant success and it was costing lots, we scrapped it though. It's definitely something worth looking at again. Could still have youth teams up to a certain age, if we get the right training facilities. If there was a pathway,a development side and we had decent facilities, with the first team. Then decent youngsters might stay with us and others might join us, when they are released from Prem academys etc The development squad wasn't costing much and DC was on record at the time saying the players were on "peanuts". Typical of our short sighted approach under Wael that it was scrapped. The DS was disbanded when we were relegated as we couldn't afford it in L2, not sure many L1 clubs have DS squads? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2024 20:27:59 GMT
I really hope JCH Stays at Peterborough right until the end of his contract & they get F/all. Given they look like getting a windfall when Toney leaves Brentford and also a decent fee when their young defender moves to a Premiership club I doubt they are that worried about getting the £400K/£500K for JCH. It would be interesting to know what his "dodgy" wants compared to other top L1 strikers and why he seems to have such a hold on JCH. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 15, 2024 20:48:08 GMT
The development squad wasn't costing much and DC was on record at the time saying the players were on "peanuts". Typical of our short sighted approach under Wael that it was scrapped. The DS was disbanded when we were relegated as we couldn't afford it in L2, not sure many L1 clubs have DS squads? Did we ever get anyone decent out of the development squad? I only seem to remember Michael Kelly getting more than the odd game. In which case it was a waste of money anyway. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 15, 2024 20:51:48 GMT
The development squad wasn't costing much and DC was on record at the time saying the players were on "peanuts". Typical of our short sighted approach under Wael that it was scrapped. The DS was disbanded when we were relegated as we couldn't afford it in L2, not sure many L1 clubs have DS squads? Wycombe are one that certainly do. And Peterborough, Bolton, Barnsley, Derby etc "There is no point in us having an academy if we don’t have a finishing school. It’s like having a primary school and a high school with no sixth form before you go to university, so we’ve got to get that right" said Barton. www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/joey-barton-wants-bristol-rovers-7570180 |
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Post by pirate on Jan 15, 2024 20:52:53 GMT
The DS was disbanded when we were relegated as we couldn't afford it in L2, not sure many L1 clubs have DS squads? Did we ever get anyone decent out of the development squad? I only seem to remember Michael Kelly getting more than the odd game. In which case it was a waste of money anyway. It was never properly funded and a token gesture. I repeatedly said that at the time. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2024 20:57:30 GMT
The DS was disbanded when we were relegated as we couldn't afford it in L2, not sure many L1 clubs have DS squads? Wycombe are one that certainly do. And Peterborough, Bolton, Barnsley, Derby etc "There is no point in us having an academy if we don’t have a finishing school. It’s like having a primary school and a high school with no sixth form before you go to university, so we’ve got to get that right" said Barton. www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/joey-barton-wants-bristol-rovers-7570180All those clubs have recently been Championship clubs? You have to sense if JB found a way to spend some more of Wael's money then he would find it. I'd have thought the No1 priorty was getting the Academy to be based at The Quarters not introducing a DS squad. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 15, 2024 21:27:38 GMT
All those clubs have recently been Championship clubs? You have to sense if JB found a way to spend some more of Wael's money then he would find it. I'd have thought the No1 priorty was getting the Academy to be based at The Quarters not introducing a DS squad. The place needs a big upgrade if you are going to have the Academy based there, as we don't really have enough changing facilities even for the first-team. And more pitches needed. And air dome type of facility. That will be some way off and the U18s are currently based at South Gloucestershire and Stroud College which boasts excellent facilities. It seems we are waiting for that upgrade to Cat 2 before introducing the U21s. My argument is why not introduce a development squad immediately and organise a games programme that is fit for purpose. If we are going in for players approaching 30 with a combined £2.2m transfer and wage package for one player, we can afford a development squad. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2024 22:15:09 GMT
There's no real evidence we are in for a 30 year old, or for that matter any team at our level as a DS set up.
Have you just come up with something else to hit our owners with, when the rest of us are just interested in us signing a few quality players during this window.
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