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Post by heartofgas on Dec 21, 2023 9:14:03 GMT
I do wonder if he wasn't a former rovers player whether we would have so much interest in him. I think it was Barton who wanted him, not sure if he fits now. Yes he has the potential to score lots of goals but I would rather we spent that sort of money on a young pacey striker. I think Martin is great at what he does and I don't see JCH giving much above that, Martin is a proven championship striker and in my opinion better than what JCH has to offer.
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Post by Somersetgas on Dec 21, 2023 11:13:28 GMT
I guess Bayern Munich were wrong signing a striker of a similar age. Yeah , great comparison. You’ve got me there. Similar age, both score goals in their relative divisions, Do we now consign anyone over 29 to the bin? As someone else said I’d rather take JCH a proven striker at this level than someone we take a chance on. |
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Post by Westy on Dec 21, 2023 13:35:02 GMT
Yeah , great comparison. You’ve got me there. Similar age, both score goals in their relative divisions, Do we now consign anyone over 29 to the bin? As someone else said I’d rather take JCH a proven striker at this level than someone we take a chance on. This is my mind too. We've taken a lot of gambles over the years on young strikers and lower league gems on the rise. I know we've polished one or 2 into diamonds, but rationally, he's a proven scorer, he's not getting minutes, he wants a move and *wanted* to come here. His stats on paper (and being available) don't come along very often. Especially not in BS7. People are saying he's quite slow and immobile, but perhaps we can use MT's high press style to get the ball up the pitch, with JCH loitering up top, with Collins alongside to add a bit of youthfulness up top, (and another link in the chain in a false 9 style). Evans in AM, with big John and Martin (if he stays) as options to replace both up top. There's every chance we can get JCH firing on all cylinders again, and a couple of good years. Marquis and Martin aren't exactly too shabby with several years on JCH. I'm sold, but obviously not for the same price as the summer. |
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Post by Somersetgas on Dec 21, 2023 13:55:31 GMT
Similar age, both score goals in their relative divisions, Do we now consign anyone over 29 to the bin? As someone else said I’d rather take JCH a proven striker at this level than someone we take a chance on. This is my mind too. We've taken a lot of gambles over the years on young strikers and lower league gems on the rise. I know we've polished one or 2 into diamonds, but rationally, he's a proven scorer, he's not getting minutes, he wants a move and *wanted* to come here. His stats on paper (and being available) don't come along very often. Especially not in BS7. People are saying he's quite slow and immobile, but perhaps we can use MT's high press style to get the ball up the pitch, with JCH loitering up top, with Collins alongside to add a bit of youthfulness up top, (and another link in the chain in a false 9 style). Evans in AM, with big John and Martin (if he stays) as options to replace both up top. There's every chance we can get JCH firing on all cylinders again, and a couple of good years. Marquis and Martin aren't exactly too shabby with several years on JCH. I'm sold, but obviously not for the same price as the summer. Totally agree, JCH isn’t firing as he’s not playing regularly enough, he’s the sort of player that needs to play to stay fit. He knows where the back of the net is and that is what we need. |
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Post by Quarters on Dec 21, 2023 14:31:42 GMT
How much should we pay if interested,?
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Post by Jomo on Dec 21, 2023 14:50:38 GMT
Yeah , great comparison. You’ve got me there. Similar age, both score goals in their relative divisions, Do we now consign anyone over 29 to the bin? As someone else said I’d rather take JCH a proven striker at this level than someone we take a chance on. For me it's also about value for money. Kane is arguably the number one centre forward on the planet, and so offers reasonable value for money for Bayern. For the Gas, JCH would be our record signing by a distance, and recent evidence shows that he isn't performing to the same standard that he was 2 or 3 years ago. If that decline continues, the risk is that we sign a very expensive player that has little or no sell-on value and doesn't perform to the level we expect of a record signing. Of course we could sign him and he goes on to score 10-15 goals in the 2nd half of the season and makes me look stupid, but I just don't think we should be spending that kind of money on him. If we could sign him for 250k max, I'd take that gamble. |
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Post by wallywalters on Dec 21, 2023 15:11:31 GMT
My personal preference is not to sign.
I would much prefer the money to be spent on 2 wingbacks and a commanding centre half for our new preferred formation.
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Post by eric on Dec 21, 2023 15:25:00 GMT
Similar age, both score goals in their relative divisions, Do we now consign anyone over 29 to the bin? As someone else said I’d rather take JCH a proven striker at this level than someone we take a chance on. For me it's also about value for money. Kane is arguably the number one centre forward on the planet, and so offers reasonable value for money for Bayern. For the Gas, JCH would be our record signing by a distance, and recent evidence shows that he isn't performing to the same standard that he was 2 or 3 years ago. If that decline continues, the risk is that we sign a very expensive player that has little or no sell-on value and doesn't perform to the level we expect of a record signing. Of course we could sign him and he goes on to score 10-15 goals in the 2nd half of the season and makes me look stupid, but I just don't think we should be spending that kind of money on him. If we could sign him for 250k max, I'd take that gamble. Bit unfair to say he isn’t performing to his previous standard when he is getting barely any opportunity to play at P’Boro. His market value will have plummeted with only 6 months of his contract left and this being the last window where P’Boro can recoup some money - I don’t think he would be our record signing. More likely £250k - £300k. |
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Post by eric on Dec 21, 2023 15:31:59 GMT
Nobody seems able to come with alternative striker options to JCH which made me wonder what Coburn’s situation is at M’Boro? He doesn’t seem to have featured in recent weeks so he’s either out of favour or injured. If he has slipped down the pecking order and M’Boro are thinking of making new signings could they be tempted with a £500k offer?
His signing would have similarities to Connor Taylor, went back to his parent club, maybe not working out and needs to drop a division for regular football? I think he’d work well under MT and would benefit from our current 5-3-2 formation which may provide more service from wide areas and a bit more support from Collins down the middle.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Dec 21, 2023 15:33:26 GMT
Chris Martin 35, JCH 29. Since 2020 CM scored 23 goals, since 2019 JCH scored 97 (24 of them for BRFC), its like comparing chalk and cheese. I have been impressed with CM, cant say so much for Collins recently, and John has scored a few in the past month; that said, Joey built a terrific squad of players, even T2 in fairness to him has been revering the quality of joeys former squad, Imo spending money on JCH, or an equivalent, would certainly give the club a realistic chance of making the play offs. That said, the next four games over the festive period will be telling, 8 points from 12 would probably keep the club on track for the end of season knock-out.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 21, 2023 15:53:12 GMT
What's with the T2 nonsense, just because JB got the boot doesn't mean you have to continually insult his replacement.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 21, 2023 15:54:38 GMT
For me it's also about value for money. Kane is arguably the number one centre forward on the planet, and so offers reasonable value for money for Bayern. For the Gas, JCH would be our record signing by a distance, and recent evidence shows that he isn't performing to the same standard that he was 2 or 3 years ago. If that decline continues, the risk is that we sign a very expensive player that has little or no sell-on value and doesn't perform to the level we expect of a record signing. Of course we could sign him and he goes on to score 10-15 goals in the 2nd half of the season and makes me look stupid, but I just don't think we should be spending that kind of money on him. If we could sign him for 250k max, I'd take that gamble. Bit unfair to say he isn’t performing to his previous standard when he is getting barely any opportunity to play at P’Boro. His market value will have plummeted with only 6 months of his contract left and this being the last window where P’Boro can recoup some money - I don’t think he would be our record signing. More likely £250k - £300k. £250K and a virtual guarantee of 20+ goals a season looks a bargain, liked to see which youngster we could sign for similar money! |
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Post by TAGas on Dec 21, 2023 16:30:05 GMT
In all fairness, JCH has scored 4 league goals this season and 7 in all competitions
That's more than any of our players.
Alfie May is a year older than JCH and has knocked in 17 league goals this season already.
I think 350 - 400k on a 2 year deal would be
Regards to sell on value we should be bringing through our own youngsters from the academy
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Post by aghast on Dec 21, 2023 16:40:14 GMT
I don't think Taylor will want him. He's past his best, not fully fit, not one of MT's protégés, too expensive and it's like MT taking a step into the past when he will want to look forward.
Think JCH's ship has sailed.
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Post by 84gas on Dec 21, 2023 18:56:43 GMT
Cannot see any reason why we wouldn’t if the deal was right considering he’s better than Martin and Marquis 🤷♂️
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Post by mrgasman on Dec 21, 2023 19:27:40 GMT
I do wonder if he wasn't a former rovers player whether we would have so much interest in him. I think it was Barton who wanted him, not sure if he fits now. Yes he has the potential to score lots of goals but I would rather we spent that sort of money on a young pacey striker. I think Martin is great at what he does and I don't see JCH giving much above that, Martin is a proven championship striker and in my opinion better than what JCH has to offer. Wow! Martin is nowhere near JCH’s quality. I’d have JCH all day long. Golden boot in what 2 seasons, he’d bag us 12 goals between now and end of the season. |
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Post by mrgasman on Dec 21, 2023 19:28:33 GMT
In all fairness, JCH has scored 4 league goals this season and 7 in all competitions That's more than any of our players. Alfie May is a year older than JCH and has knocked in 17 league goals this season already. I think 350 - 400k on a 2 year deal would be Regards to sell on value we should be bringing through our own youngsters from the academy And he hasn’t even been playing |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 21, 2023 19:31:03 GMT
I don't think Taylor will want him. He's past his best, not fully fit, not one of MT's protégés, too expensive and it's like MT taking a step into the past when he will want to look forward. Think JCH's ship has sailed. JCH won the L1 Golden Boot last season and has had 6(?) months rest whilst he might not be 100% match fit there's nothing to say he's not fully fit? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 21, 2023 19:33:04 GMT
The reporter on HAG tonight said he personally felt it was unlikely that MT would sign JCH, he'll probably now sign for somebody like Oxford and fire them to promotion.
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Post by madgas on Dec 21, 2023 19:36:00 GMT
100% I'd like us to sign JCH.
We're a mid table league one club, in need with a striker... he's got 2 golden boots in this division.
It's pretty simple- he'd be a cracking signing. It's not really on "fans" to worry about value for money. If the owners think its workable- I'd love it.
I appreciate there might be better options but if it were to happen we'd have a great player.
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