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Post by yattongas on Jan 10, 2024 15:18:45 GMT
He wont be going back to the Teds. They have lots of striking options up front that are better than Martin. I could see him going to a club in L1, someone like Portsmouth who would want a different option to Colby Bishop and a bit of extra experience to get them promoted. Whatever clubs he is negotiating with, he will be after 18 months with his current record standing at 8 in 16 games. He’ll sign for us until end of season. |
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Post by stevek192 on Jan 10, 2024 16:00:26 GMT
Hes got himself fit, is hitting the goals. Has never been quick so will last longer and score goals longer than those who rely on pace. I see an 18 month deal as being realistic and a deal to the end of the season as being a deal breaker and he will go elsewhere. As regards Taylor saying we are miles behind on recruitment I cannot see this being true as we are only 2 or 3 players short and I am convinced that JB would have got them and therefore why shouldnt Taylor. I feel that if we ever had the real intention of spending 1m I certainly have my doubts)then we should have continued after JCH or at least have the money available still for MT to get an experienced goalscorer in and one or two others.
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Post by pirate on Jan 10, 2024 16:06:49 GMT
Hes got himself fit, is hitting the goals. Has never been quick so will last longer and score goals longer than those who rely on pace. I see an 18 month deal as being realistic and a deal to the end of the season as being a deal breaker and he will go elsewhere. As regards Taylor saying we are miles behind on recruitment I cannot see this being true as we are only 2 or 3 players short and I am convinced that JB would have got them and therefore why shouldnt Taylor. I feel that if we ever had the real intention of spending 1m I certainly have my doubts)then we should have continued after JCH or at least have the money available still for MT to get an experienced goalscorer in and one or two others. Taylor meant we are miles off in terms of recruitment infrastructure, with no head of recruitment or scouts etc. |
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Post by stevek192 on Jan 10, 2024 16:10:21 GMT
fair point Pirate.
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Post by Fetch on Jan 10, 2024 16:14:20 GMT
Hes got himself fit, is hitting the goals. Has never been quick so will last longer and score goals longer than those who rely on pace. I see an 18 month deal as being realistic and a deal to the end of the season as being a deal breaker and he will go elsewhere. As regards Taylor saying we are miles behind on recruitment I cannot see this being true as we are only 2 or 3 players short and I am convinced that JB would have got them and therefore why shouldnt Taylor. I feel that if we ever had the real intention of spending 1m I certainly have my doubts)then we should have continued after JCH or at least have the money available still for MT to get an experienced goalscorer in and one or two others. Taylor meant we are miles off in terms of recruitment infrastructure, with no head of recruitment or scouts etc. This was always the concern when Joey brought in all his mates, that we'd be left with nothing when he left. Big mistake letting our recruitment network be picked up by Aldershot, who are now recruiting very smart. |
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Post by RD on Jan 10, 2024 17:02:18 GMT
"It [the situation] hasn't changed," said Martin to the Bristol Post following his brace against Charlton Athletic on December 29.
"My contract ends - I'm not even sure. The 20-something of January, whenever it was. I actually can't remember the exact date but nothing's changed. No words. I continue to do the job and see what happens." That's not new though is it? Isn't that word for word what he said when he was last asked, a couple of weeks ago? Apologies if I've misunderstood your post. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 10, 2024 17:34:30 GMT
"It [the situation] hasn't changed," said Martin to the Bristol Post following his brace against Charlton Athletic on December 29.
"My contract ends - I'm not even sure. The 20-something of January, whenever it was. I actually can't remember the exact date but nothing's changed. No words. I continue to do the job and see what happens." That's not new though is it? Isn't that word for word what he said when he was last asked, a couple of weeks ago? Apologies if I've misunderstood your post. I just find it a bit strange that at that stage there were no talks regarding an extension. That was the latest report, so I wonder if things have progressed now and how seriously we want to keep him? |
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Post by kentgas on Jan 10, 2024 19:44:04 GMT
Really surprised an extension hasn’t been sorted.
If he goes, how confident are we that we would get a replacement for him plus the other striker that I believe we need?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2024 20:00:09 GMT
That's not new though is it? Isn't that word for word what he said when he was last asked, a couple of weeks ago? Apologies if I've misunderstood your post. I just find it a bit strange that at that stage there were no talks regarding an extension. That was the latest report, so I wonder if things have progressed now and how seriously we want to keep him? MT said they were in talks in the same post match pressers, perhaps CM's agent hasn't kept him inform or he's just keeping his cards close to his chest, as I can't believe no talks whatsoever had taken place. If CM's present contact expires the 20 something then that could well be just before the potential Liverpool game. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 10, 2024 20:15:47 GMT
Taylor meant we are miles off in terms of recruitment infrastructure, with no head of recruitment or scouts etc. This was always the concern when Joey brought in all his mates, that we'd be left with nothing when he left. Big mistake letting our recruitment network be picked up by Aldershot, who are now recruiting very smart. Everyone has their level. Said recruitment team signed Garners squad so whilst I agree we shouldn’t have put all of our eggs in a Barton basket I find it hard to agree that we should be missing Widdrington |
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Post by Sir Trevor on Jan 10, 2024 20:52:49 GMT
Scoring a brace in two consecutive matches.
That's the way to do it.
Gives your agent a strong hand.
Alerts other teams that are struggling to score goals.
Encourages your present manager to pressurise the money people to look down the sofa.
Chris Martin has played a blinder.
Worth an extended contract. But not at any price.
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Post by Somersetgas on Jan 10, 2024 21:02:23 GMT
Scoring a brace in two consecutive matches. That's the way to do it. Gives your agent a strong hand. Alerts other teams that are struggling to score goals. Encourages your present manager to pressurise the money people to look down the sofa. Chris Martin has played a blinder. Worth an extended contract. But not at any price. Might of scored two in the Wycombe game, but what did it bring us? What else did he do in the game? If he’s gave anymore than a contract until the end of the season we’re mad, and to think people were against JCH due to his age. |
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Post by kentgas on Jan 10, 2024 21:14:21 GMT
Scoring a brace in two consecutive matches. That's the way to do it. Gives your agent a strong hand. Alerts other teams that are struggling to score goals. Encourages your present manager to pressurise the money people to look down the sofa. Chris Martin has played a blinder. Worth an extended contract. But not at any price. Might of scored two in the Wycombe game, but what did it bring us? What else did he do in the game? If he’s gave anymore than a contract until the end of the season we’re mad, and to think people were against JCH due to his age. I may be wrong but I think most people who had doubts about JCH were concerned more about the £800k (or whatever) fee than his age. |
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Post by Somersetgas on Jan 10, 2024 21:28:12 GMT
Might of scored two in the Wycombe game, but what did it bring us? What else did he do in the game? If he’s gave anymore than a contract until the end of the season we’re mad, and to think people were against JCH due to his age. I may be wrong but I think most people who had doubts about JCH were concerned more about the £800k (or whatever) fee than his age. Still lots are happy to spend £400k on wages on a 35 year old with no sell on value, sure that’s what I keep reading on here, sell on value, sell on value , the concern seems to be sell on value, best get Garner back if that’s what we’re worried about. |
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Post by Quarters on Jan 10, 2024 21:56:52 GMT
I may be wrong but I think most people who had doubts about JCH were concerned more about the £800k (or whatever) fee than his age. Still lots are happy to spend £400k on wages on a 35 year old with no sell on value, sure that’s what I keep reading on here, sell on value, sell on value , the concern seems to be sell on value, best get Garner back if that’s what we’re worried about. You forgot wages for JCH in your calculations. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2024 22:20:45 GMT
Might of scored two in the Wycombe game, but what did it bring us? What else did he do in the game? If he’s gave anymore than a contract until the end of the season we’re mad, and to think people were against JCH due to his age. I may be wrong but I think most people who had doubts about JCH were concerned more about the £800k (or whatever) fee than his age. I can never understand why fans worry about transfer fees it's not like the owners are going to ask us for a contribution or share out the profits if we make any money. Tom Nichols was never worth £350K nor Payne £150K but we've never suffered because the club paid those fees, nor benefited from the transfer fees received for Lambert's & Harrison's. Personally I'd sooner we gambled on JCH and went for a top 6 finish than not and consider a top 10 finish a success. |
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Post by Qatar Gas on Jan 11, 2024 5:15:36 GMT
Scoring a brace in two consecutive matches. That's the way to do it. Gives your agent a strong hand. Alerts other teams that are struggling to score goals. Encourages your present manager to pressurise the money people to look down the sofa. Chris Martin has played a blinder. Worth an extended contract. But not at any price. Might of scored two in the Wycombe game, but what did it bring us? What else did he do in the game? If he’s gave anymore than a contract until the end of the season we’re mad, and to think people were against JCH due to his age. I still think he is best utilised as an impact sub. Think we get more out of him using him for the last 20/30 minutes of games. Yes at Wycombe he started and scored two, but that was at the end when we had an extra man and were all out attack. I think Marquis has been unfortunate to have been dropped. He presses better so would rather see him start before brining Martin on later in the game. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 11, 2024 8:20:41 GMT
I may be wrong but I think most people who had doubts about JCH were concerned more about the £800k (or whatever) fee than his age. I can never understand why fans worry about transfer fees it's not like the owners are going to ask us for a contribution or share out the profits if we make any money. Tom Nichols was never worth £350K nor Payne £150K but we've never suffered because the club paid those fees, nor benefited from the transfer fees received for Lambert's & Harrison's. Personally I'd sooner we gambled on JCH and went for a top 6 finish than not and consider a top 10 finish a success. A club like ours should be looking at how smart clubs operate in the transfer market and get some tips. I'd personally rather we were more efficient and self sustainable in the market, building a squad capable of challenging at the right end every season, which is why potential sell-on value is important to a club like ours losing money hand over fist as It allows a certain percentage of fees generated to be reinvested back in the squad. During the previous five years to their £70m stadium getting built, Brentford had sold players for a combined value of £150m, and up to 2021 the average age at which players were signed at in total since the 14/15 season averaged out to 23-years-old. “Recruitment is the bread and butter of Brentford because we have one of the lowest revenues in the league. We need to make the business sustainable by buying cheap and selling expensive, which is what we’ve done over the last few years. “The key is being able to identify undervalued talent in the market, develop them, and then sell them on for profit, gradually building more value into the squad and gradually increasing the level of the squad” said their DoF at the time. Im not necessarily saying we can replicate what Brentford have achieved, but what we can do is be smarter and more efficient, rather than the 'boom and bust' approach. |
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Post by seanclevedongas on Jan 11, 2024 9:09:00 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 11, 2024 14:57:34 GMT
I can never understand why fans worry about transfer fees it's not like the owners are going to ask us for a contribution or share out the profits if we make any money. Tom Nichols was never worth £350K nor Payne £150K but we've never suffered because the club paid those fees, nor benefited from the transfer fees received for Lambert's & Harrison's. Personally I'd sooner we gambled on JCH and went for a top 6 finish than not and consider a top 10 finish a success. A club like ours should be looking at how smart clubs operate in the transfer market and get some tips. I'd personally rather we were more efficient and self sustainable in the market, building a squad capable of challenging at the right end every season, which is why potential sell-on value is important to a club like ours losing money hand over fist as It allows a certain percentage of fees generated to be reinvested back in the squad. During the previous five years to their £70m stadium getting built, Brentford had sold players for a combined value of £150m, and up to 2021 the average age at which players were signed at in total since the 14/15 season averaged out to 23-years-old. “Recruitment is the bread and butter of Brentford because we have one of the lowest revenues in the league. We need to make the business sustainable by buying cheap and selling expensive, which is what we’ve done over the last few years. “The key is being able to identify undervalued talent in the market, develop them, and then sell them on for profit, gradually building more value into the squad and gradually increasing the level of the squad” said their DoF at the time. Im not necessarily saying we can replicate what Brentford have achieved, but what we can do is be smarter and more efficient, rather than the 'boom and bust' approach. It still doesn't make any difference to us if we develop players or if the owners spend £m's buying promotion. It's their own money and if they think the boom & bust approach is best then there's not a lot we can do about it. MT's approach has always been to develop his own players so it'll be interesting to see our approach changes in the next couple of windows. |
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