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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2024 22:26:40 GMT
You can’t deny age and Father Time, Friend (36), Hunt (33), Wilson (soon 35), none can stay fit, you will be lucky to get 46 games out of them between them.
I bet that’s over £12k a week there, £600k a year of wages, down the pan, Wilson will be on a big deal.
This is what happens when you have a mate on the board, you best mate DOF, and an owner who lets you get away with it.
Some idiot today had a go at me when I referenced the Barton strikeforce contributed to the defeat today because I mentioned his name. Today again highlighted Father Time, old players playing twice in 3 days, they can’t do it, disgraceful use of the playing budget.
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Post by Gaswood on Jan 1, 2024 22:27:58 GMT
That’ll be the “several really good stops” I clearly mentioned in my stupid statement. Fact is, the poor basics are a mile off. You clearly have never played in goal or had much to do with the role if you think his basic positional play is good overall, today included. The reaction saves were very good as I said, but reflex saves alone don’t change a lack of dominance in your box or clear decision making unfortunately well at least you have admitted in your reply that your statement was stupid. I have played in goal and probably much more than you but that is irrelevent. Coxs positioning is his main strength as he leaves his line and takes up good positions which stop attacks before they have happened as he did on a few occasions today. Again he was let down by poor defending which in fact got worse when Hoole came on. I today thought that Brown and Ward were both improvements. We seem to be very susceptible to teams who play little football but have physical strength and play to that strength. I always fear when we play teams we should beat as it seems to have the opposite effect. I will also repeat what i have said previously that JCH is the type of player we should be looking to sign now as well as a strong centre half and a midfielder who can make strong challenges. Cox is the least of our worries!! Utter tripe. You clearly have no clue on keeper positioning if you thought his positioning and positive action today were good! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2024 22:33:17 GMT
The manager lost us this today, we are allowed to say this. Woods was a terrible pick, Grant played on as well. This today was a product of Barton and Jennings, Marquis would have made no difference. We simpy have no outlet upfront. Staying until the end, you l just never know! Ffs give up the Barton crap he’s gone - did you say the same with the wins against Bolton, Portsmouth & Charlton {mod redacted remainder of sentence - G&E}. Down to the manager today and a few no show players. This poster, I was just making it clear we struggled today because both our no 9’s are over 30, legs gone and no pace upfront, the new manager has been left this by the previous manager which made today more difficult for him. I will say what I want pal, wind your neck in. *I didn’t say anything in the games you mentioned because they had rest between them, on a big pitch today, (31) and (35) years of age men, battered from behind, can’t play three times in 7 days. Collins and Brown are not no 9’s if you know what one of these is 👍 |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 1, 2024 22:57:17 GMT
Ffs give up the Barton crap he’s gone - did you say the same with the wins against Bolton, Portsmouth & Charlton {mod redacted remainder of sentence - G&E}. Down to the manager today and a few no show players. This poster, I was just making it clear we struggled today because both our no 9’s are over 30, legs gone and no pace upfront, the new manager has been left this by the previous manager which made today more difficult for him. I will say what I want pal, wind your neck in. *I didn’t say anything in the games you mentioned because they had rest between them, on a big pitch today, (31) and (35) years of age men, battered from behind, can’t play three times in 7 days. Collins and Brown are not no 9’s if you know what one of these is 👍 But how do you know the exact figure / budget any manager got ?. Your making an assumption the previous manager had a top budget and went out and signed over 35 year old who were mates . I been supporting Bristol Rovers for 40-50 years and this as always been a historical issue . We have had one promotion to the championship by a radical revoluntionist in football Gerry Francis . The rest have struggled like JB did . The football club isn't set up for a top six push on or off the pitch. That isn't a criticism of wael it's a reality check. The giants like Derby Pompey Bolton Barnsley have had traditions of massive ground improvements: large crowds and massive signings. The next two Peterboro & Oxford are able to rebuild grounds and spend fees on players which for us would be a pipedream . The club is were it is because we are an average division one club. The fact we are mid table is an acceptable position given our set up on and off the pitch. If your saying JB had a top 4-6 budget and signed sub standard players then he is a masochist. Personally I think we are years behind a championship push and JB did alright nothing special just alright . He just like the many other managers we had some were alright some were awful with the exception of Gerry Francis in the last 50 years. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 1, 2024 23:00:29 GMT
Yes, he’s way better than Grant. But at this moment in time I’d play Hoole ahead of them both. Is he? I think No Beef is on par or worse than Grant, at least Josh can play left back, No Beef was exposed last season and the manager who spent 6 figures knew it as well, he bombed him. But do you agree Paul he deserves a chance under Taylor? I mean, I know me and you said Finley was a spent force until Taylor came in and suddenly looks and is playing like a different player, one deserving of a spot and almost undroppable. I'd happily have beefy back and give him some games under Taylor. Let's not forget him and Taylor had a good pairing at the back in L2. Grant isn't the answer at CB that's for sure so I don't see that we have anything to loose by revisiting Beef given that Taylor was a CB, JMac was a CB and we have Bondy back in the set up alongside Lord Byron. Plenty to teach and coach him. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 1, 2024 23:01:24 GMT
The whole team was poor for virtually 90 mins today not just the No 9's, you need to move on from blaming JB for all our failings. It's almost as bad as JB blaming the refs etc when we lost in the past. Good to see MT saying it how it is.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Jan 1, 2024 23:04:57 GMT
Ffs give up the Barton crap he’s gone - did you say the same with the wins against Bolton, Portsmouth & Charlton {mod redacted remainder of sentence - G&E}. Down to the manager today and a few no show players. This poster, I was just making it clear we struggled today because both our no 9’s are over 30, legs gone and no pace upfront, the new manager has been left this by the previous manager which made today more difficult for him. I will say what I want pal, wind your neck in. *I didn’t say anything in the games you mentioned because they had rest between them, on a big pitch today, (31) and (35) years of age men, battered from behind, can’t play three times in 7 days. Collins and Brown are not no 9’s if you know what one of these is 👍 Anything to have a pop at JB it's really pathetic and not surprised your only vocal on here after a loss. Today was down to having more than half the team not at it and nothing to do with who was up top. Wycombe went down to 10 and probably should have been down to 9 and we hit the self destruct button. Our creative and better players this season not up to the usual standards and the whole performance disjointed. I was a little surprised that Marquis wasn't bought on earlier especially when they went down to 10. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 1, 2024 23:06:17 GMT
Totally agree , Friend, what a waste of money, another over the hill signing. I get called a hater but you look at Pitman, Leon Clarke, Trev Clarke, Mark Hughes, Harry Anderson and Loft couldn’t stay fit, Rossiter, Gibbons, Hunt now, Friend now, Wilson now. This isn’t coincidence stuff, I think the owner has to protect his investment and the club. The fitness tests and background research couldn’t have been good enough, Friend is 36 and played 46 games in 3 years at Birmingham, it’s as if it was fraud and were doing agents favours or just know idea of who to sign. I was told the owners son pulled the plug on the JCH deal, I am starting to wonder if he was right as well. £800k for a 29 year old with no resale value. Overweight as well, likely injuries now getting older, I think we did right pulling out, I also think we did right sacking Jennings straight away. I won’t agree regarding Pitman because he did score a few goal without which we would not have get promoted. But your wider point about recruitment I can agree with. That has come from not having a decent football structure within the club. Handing over the football stuff completely to JBs mates was wrong and was likely to end up where it did. Whatever your views about Tommy W at least when DC brought him to the club it was an attempt to build a proper football structure. Haven't heard much yet about any overall DOF appointment yet and perhaps we won’t be having one, but we do need a clearer recruitment process with responsible people. Perhaps MT is seen as a safer pair of hands than JB. The next few months should tell. UTG! |
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Post by gasheadontour on Jan 1, 2024 23:11:22 GMT
I think we struggled today because the defence and central midfield was so weak and passing awful despite a good pitch. The match at Reading showed that Woods and Finley are a weak pairing and it was the same again today. WW did a pretty good job limiting LT and HV. The WW keeper made a couple of very good saves. Once we do get the ball in the box we look likely to score.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2024 23:18:17 GMT
This poster, I was just making it clear we struggled today because both our no 9’s are over 30, legs gone and no pace upfront, the new manager has been left this by the previous manager which made today more difficult for him. I will say what I want pal, wind your neck in. *I didn’t say anything in the games you mentioned because they had rest between them, on a big pitch today, (31) and (35) years of age men, battered from behind, can’t play three times in 7 days. Collins and Brown are not no 9’s if you know what one of these is 👍 But how do you know the exact figure / budget any manager got ?. Your making an assumption the previous manager had a top budget and went out and signed over 35 year old who were mates . I been supporting Bristol Rovers for 40-50 years and this as always been a historical issue . We have had one promotion to the championship by a radical revoluntionist in football Gerry Francis . The rest have struggled like JB did . The football club isn't set up for a top six push on or off the pitch. That isn't a criticism of wael it's a reality check. The giants like Derby Pompey Bolton Barnsley have had traditions of massive ground improvements: large crowds and massive signings. The next two Peterboro & Oxford are able to rebuild grounds and spend fees on players which for us would be a pipedream . The club is were it is because we are an average division one club. The fact we are mid table is an acceptable position given our set up on and off the pitch. If your saying JB had a top 4-6 budget and signed sub standard players then he is a masochist. Personally I think we are years behind a championship push and JB did alright nothing special just alright . He just like the many other managers we had some were alright some were awful with the exception of Gerry Francis in the last 50 years. The owner said it is a top 8 budget when they sacked old motormouth. |
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Post by seanclevedongas on Jan 2, 2024 0:19:30 GMT
Pretty sure the person next to Matt Taylor is Keith Brookman No idea who it was but it was most definitely not Keith |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jan 2, 2024 1:18:42 GMT
I wonder which players were on the corona last night?! Apart from cox - all of them !!!!! 🍷🍺🥂🍾🤮 |
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Post by blueridge on Jan 2, 2024 6:09:55 GMT
You can’t deny age and Father Time, Friend (36), Hunt (33), Wilson (soon 35), none can stay fit, you will be lucky to get 46 games out of them between them. I bet that’s over £12k a week there, £600k a year of wages, down the pan, Wilson will be on a big deal. This is what happens when you have a mate on the board, you best mate DOF, and an owner who lets you get away with it. Some idiot today had a go at me when I referenced the Barton strikeforce contributed to the defeat today because I mentioned his name. Today again highlighted Father Time, old players playing twice in 3 days, they can’t do it, disgraceful use of the playing budget. “Idiot” - why the personal immature comment? - grow up and btw I’m not your “pal” And your argument is flawed - the only “old player” playing “twice in 3 days” was Martin who played the full game yesterday following his cameo against Charlton. The rest of the team yesterday can hardly be described as old - and it’s the same for all the other teams in the league. Seven days after winning @ Bolton we lose at Blackpool - three days after that we beat Portsmouth - and three days after that we beat Charlton (so no rest) - with the only ‘old’ player being Wilson playing anything like a full game. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 2, 2024 6:26:06 GMT
I get called a hater but you look at Pitman, Leon Clarke, Trev Clarke, Mark Hughes, Harry Anderson and Loft couldn’t stay fit, Rossiter, Gibbons, Hunt now, Friend now, Wilson now. This isn’t coincidence stuff, I think the owner has to protect his investment and the club. The fitness tests and background research couldn’t have been good enough, Friend is 36 and played 46 games in 3 years at Birmingham, it’s as if it was fraud and were doing agents favours or just know idea of who to sign. I was told the owners son pulled the plug on the JCH deal, I am starting to wonder if he was right as well. £800k for a 29 year old with no resale value. Overweight as well, likely injuries now getting older, I think we did right pulling out, I also think we did right sacking Jennings straight away. I won’t agree regarding Pitman because he did score a few goal without which we would not have get promoted. But your wider point about recruitment I can agree with. That has come from not having a decent football structure within the club. Handing over the football stuff completely to JBs mates was wrong and was likely to end up where it did. Whatever your views about Tommy W at least when DC brought him to the club it was an attempt to build a proper football structure. Haven't heard much yet about any overall DOF appointment yet and perhaps we won’t be having one, but we do need a clearer recruitment process with responsible people. Perhaps MT is seen as a safer pair of hands than JB. The next few months should tell. UTG! Surely the structure was EJ as HoR and JB as manager, I can't recall that was a big issue when we got promoted? I assume something similar will be put in place again and eventually we'll start moaning about the new DoF or HoR is useless! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 8:36:02 GMT
This poster, I was just making it clear we struggled today because both our no 9’s are over 30, legs gone and no pace upfront, the new manager has been left this by the previous manager which made today more difficult for him. I will say what I want pal, wind your neck in. *I didn’t say anything in the games you mentioned because they had rest between them, on a big pitch today, (31) and (35) years of age men, battered from behind, can’t play three times in 7 days. Collins and Brown are not no 9’s if you know what one of these is 👍 Anything to have a pop at JB it's really pathetic and not surprised your only vocal on here after a loss. Today was down to having more than half the team not at it and nothing to do with who was up top. Wycombe went down to 10 and probably should have been down to 9 and we hit the self destruct button. Our creative and better players this season not up to the usual standards and the whole performance disjointed. I was a little surprised that Marquis wasn't bought on earlier especially when they went down to 10. Yes anything to have a pop at Barton when it’s a reason we find ourselves struggling. I still go to games if we lose, enjoyed the day out at Wycombe yesterday. Happy New Year 👍 *Interesting to see, you last football related post was the Pompey game and you’ve done a couple of posts re tickets on those threads. You always keep coming looking for me, pulling me up, we can do this all year brother 😊 |
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Post by pirate on Jan 2, 2024 8:52:16 GMT
I won’t agree regarding Pitman because he did score a few goal without which we would not have get promoted. But your wider point about recruitment I can agree with. That has come from not having a decent football structure within the club. Handing over the football stuff completely to JBs mates was wrong and was likely to end up where it did. Whatever your views about Tommy W at least when DC brought him to the club it was an attempt to build a proper football structure. Haven't heard much yet about any overall DOF appointment yet and perhaps we won’t be having one, but we do need a clearer recruitment process with responsible people. Perhaps MT is seen as a safer pair of hands than JB. The next few months should tell. UTG! Surely the structure was EJ as HoR and JB as manager, I can't recall that was a big issue when we got promoted? I assume something similar will be put in place again and eventually we'll start moaning about the new DoF or HoR is useless! Are you arguing for arguments sake again? Not sure how anyone, even a dafty like you, can argue against us "not having a decent football structure within the club" when we have now lost our DoF/Head of Football Operations and Chief Scout following the managers departure. Hopefully the big difference this time will be the DoF and recruitment department won't just be the managers mates rather they will be independent appointments looking after the short, mid and long term best interests of the football club and working on succession plans, providing a bit of stability and continuity next time there is a managerial change. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 9:06:52 GMT
You can’t deny age and Father Time, Friend (36), Hunt (33), Wilson (soon 35), none can stay fit, you will be lucky to get 46 games out of them between them. I bet that’s over £12k a week there, £600k a year of wages, down the pan, Wilson will be on a big deal. This is what happens when you have a mate on the board, you best mate DOF, and an owner who lets you get away with it. Some idiot today had a go at me when I referenced the Barton strikeforce contributed to the defeat today because I mentioned his name. Today again highlighted Father Time, old players playing twice in 3 days, they can’t do it, disgraceful use of the playing budget. “Idiot” - why the personal immature comment? - grow up and btw I’m not your “pal” And your argument is flawed - the only “old player” playing “twice in 3 days” was Martin who played the full game yesterday following his cameo against Charlton. The rest of the team yesterday can hardly be described as old - and it’s the same for all the other teams in the league. Seven days after winning @ Bolton we lose at Blackpool - three days after that we beat Portsmouth - and three days after that we beat Charlton (so no rest) - with the only ‘old’ player being Wilson playing anything like a full game. It’s not flawed, you just don’t understand what a no9 is and what profiles can play this role. Wilson at Newcastle is a 9 but so is Chris Woods at Forest, one is a poacher, one is a target man. Taylor used the word “profile” after the Charlton game, he said Martin offers us another profile to Marquis, which he does. John Marquis is a hard working 9 who presses along the front line, where as Martin is more strength and link up play with his back to goal. Yesterday Wycombe had giant CB’s, Martin admitted he’s not fit and yesterday until they went down to 10 men, he struggled on his own all game. So my point was, we have been left with an unfit no9 with Chris’s profile, Ellis Harrison played this role. Ellis played it next to Taylor, Lambert played it next to Kuffour, White next to Penrice, I don’t think Matt Taylor thinks Marquis and Martin together can do this and I agree with him. So my point, 30 plus men, ones admitting they are not fit with no pre season cannot play games within 3 days. Hunt, Friend, Wilson are struggling to do it every week. Go and research what coaches call 9’s, 10’s and 11’s today. They say Haaland is the most all round 9 in the world. All the best pal. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 2, 2024 9:07:15 GMT
Looks like our players were out on the p.iss last night too They are no David Hirst's. |
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Post by The Equaliser on Jan 2, 2024 9:17:29 GMT
Anything to have a pop at JB it's really pathetic and not surprised your only vocal on here after a loss. Today was down to having more than half the team not at it and nothing to do with who was up top. Wycombe went down to 10 and probably should have been down to 9 and we hit the self destruct button. Our creative and better players this season not up to the usual standards and the whole performance disjointed. I was a little surprised that Marquis wasn't bought on earlier especially when they went down to 10. Yes anything to have a pop at Barton when it’s a reason we find ourselves struggling. I still go to games if we lose, enjoyed the day out at Wycombe yesterday. Happy New Year 👍 *Interesting to see, you last football related post was the Pompey game and you’ve done a couple of posts re tickets on those threads. You always keep coming looking for me, pulling me up, we can do this all year brother 😊 Fair play you’ve gone from “the manager cost us this today” to full on “damn , what was I thinking its that bastard Barton’s fault” 😂 *meant with humour 👍🏾 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 2, 2024 9:23:38 GMT
Read my post, how many were complaining about the football structure when we got promoted or thought AC might be sold for £m's?
It was a means to an end and they are now, fortunately, gone and just need to be replaced. We're still a L1 club so it's not the end of the world some posters seem to be trying to make out it is.
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