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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 11:43:04 GMT
Fair point, I just wish we were never in the position where we had to sign Chris Martin and being honest, he should be playing an Easter role for us, not first choice. I’d have liked to have seen like Oxford did, Rodriguez and Harris brought in (latter scored yesterday). It is what it is, I still go with my point from yesterday, Taylor has been left with two aging no9’s, neither with legs and pace. The good thing from yesterday was it highlighted it, as long as it’s not a Timmy Abraham, hopefully we can at least bring in some pace on loan. So a so called top 8 budget who sacks managers because ' we are not top 8 ' can only bring in ' some pace on loan '. I rest my case ! I don’t think we have the money, what are you resting your case on? I mean we’ve blown wages on Friend, Hunt, Wilson, all 30’s and unfit. We paid out £250k on Macca and his wages. Brown had championship Rotherham waiting on the court case. Rossiter ex Liverpool and Rangers in the budget, as with Trevor Clarke ex championship. Woods and Bogarde’s wages, Sinclair on a good wage……..on simple maths, £150k a year (£2,885 a week) you have 10 players, that’s £1.5 million on wages, none starting in every week. And on those wages, it could be £1 million a year or right up to £2 million a year but there is a near first 11 blown on wages. Why would new owners coming in, losing probably £3 million plus a season sanction another £500k on JCH and £8k a week plus on wages? The reason Wael sold his majority was because he was running out of money to fund this mess, the new lot will soon run out as well. It has to stop somewhere, we don’t even know where Trev Clarke ow these days, he could be on a sun lounger for all we know. I am the first to admit my mistakes, I was wrong to question the new owners stopping the overnight hotel for the Crewe game and I was wrong to disclose this, I am sorry I did. |
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 2, 2024 12:05:59 GMT
So a so called top 8 budget who sacks managers because ' we are not top 8 ' can only bring in ' some pace on loan '. I rest my case ! The reason Wael sold his majority was because he was running out of money to fund this mess, the new lot will soon run out as well. It has to stop somewhere Real insight at last. I knew that 50p was worth it! |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 2, 2024 12:22:07 GMT
So a so called top 8 budget who sacks managers because ' we are not top 8 ' can only bring in ' some pace on loan '. I rest my case ! I don’t think we have the money, what are you resting your case on? I mean we’ve blown wages on Friend, Hunt, Wilson, all 30’s and unfit. We paid out £250k on Macca and his wages. Brown had championship Rotherham waiting on the court case. Rossiter ex Liverpool and Rangers in the budget, as with Trevor Clarke ex championship. Woods and Bogarde’s wages, Sinclair on a good wage……..on simple maths, £150k a year (£2,885 a week) you have 10 players, that’s £1.5 million on wages, none starting in every week. And on those wages, it could be £1 million a year or right up to £2 million a year but there is a near first 11 blown on wages. Why would new owners coming in, losing probably £3 million plus a season sanction another £500k on JCH and £8k a week plus on wages? The reason Wael sold his majority was because he was running out of money to fund this mess, the new lot will soon run out as well. It has to stop somewhere, we don’t even know where Trev Clarke ow these days, he could be on a sun lounger for all we know. I am the first to admit my mistakes, I was wrong to question the new owners stopping the overnight hotel for the Crewe game and I was wrong to disclose this, I am sorry I did. When you say " we blown money " all those signings are either frees loans or free agents . We probably released 15 players last year and most clubs outside the top 6 budgets rely on a ' merry go around ' of frees loans or free agents. I don't disagree with many of your points and you seem knowledgeable . However : I am questing the narrative that we are this so called massive club blowing millions on players and managers are massively under achieving. Paul what about the free signings we got ?. Did you mention Thomas is a million pound signing for Barnsley and we get him for free ?. Didn't pompey pay a huge ammount for Marquis ?. I'm sure Ipswich pay a bit for Ward ?. Other clubs pay huge amounts for players and they either run down their contracts or leave on free. We have spent 300k on fees this season. Hardly a mass expenditure. Yes we have a competitive mid table budget but I question we have a top 8 budget able to compete with the bigger clubs and pay massive six figure fees. And of course when the board says ' we have a top 8 budget ' it causes debates and conflict like this among fans . Indeed if Barton was given a top 6-8 budget I agree he needed to go. I just question this rumour !. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 12:42:42 GMT
I don’t think we have the money, what are you resting your case on? I mean we’ve blown wages on Friend, Hunt, Wilson, all 30’s and unfit. We paid out £250k on Macca and his wages. Brown had championship Rotherham waiting on the court case. Rossiter ex Liverpool and Rangers in the budget, as with Trevor Clarke ex championship. Woods and Bogarde’s wages, Sinclair on a good wage……..on simple maths, £150k a year (£2,885 a week) you have 10 players, that’s £1.5 million on wages, none starting in every week. And on those wages, it could be £1 million a year or right up to £2 million a year but there is a near first 11 blown on wages. Why would new owners coming in, losing probably £3 million plus a season sanction another £500k on JCH and £8k a week plus on wages? The reason Wael sold his majority was because he was running out of money to fund this mess, the new lot will soon run out as well. It has to stop somewhere, we don’t even know where Trev Clarke ow these days, he could be on a sun lounger for all we know. I am the first to admit my mistakes, I was wrong to question the new owners stopping the overnight hotel for the Crewe game and I was wrong to disclose this, I am sorry I did. When you say " we blown money " all those signings are either frees loans or free agents . We probably released 15 players last year and most clubs outside the top 6 budgets rely on a ' merry go around ' of frees loans or free agents. I don't disagree with many of your points and you seem knowledgeable . However : I am questing the narrative that we are this so called massive club blowing millions on players and managers are massively under achieving. Paul what about the free signings we got ?. Did you mention Thomas is a million pound signing for Barnsley and we get him for free ?. Didn't pompey pay a huge ammount for Marquis ?. I'm sure Ipswich pay a bit for Ward ?. Other clubs pay huge amounts for players and they either run down their contracts or leave on free. We have spent 300k on fees this season. Hardly a mass expenditure. Yes we have a competitive mid table budget but I question we have a top 8 budget able to compete with the bigger clubs and pay massive six figure fees. And of course when the board says ' we have a top 8 budget ' it causes debates and conflict like this among fans . Indeed if Barton was given a top 6-8 budget I agree he needed to go. I just question this rumour !. It’s not a rumour. The owner said it |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 12:43:27 GMT
There is a clear difference between paying for a player and wages.
We are not or ever have been a club to really to make player transfers with fees unless, we have to replace someone using the fee, Nicholls for Taylor etc.
But we have always been a club known to pay well on wages, McAnthony said this summer that we were paying big wages. When half of Liverpool/Accy/Fleetwood all move away from home midweek, it’s because we are paying top wages………Finley, Mark Hughes, Coutts, Evans, Rossiter etc
We’ve always been an agents dream and even more so in the last 3 years, look at how many unemployed players we signed, this is players without clubs, Marquis training on his own in Dubai.
You mention Pompey and Barnsley, much bigger clubs than us, bigger and better grounds, bigger fan bases. Bristol Rovers only way of surviving whilst getting under 10,000 gates is to compete on wages, and we backed Barton on this well.
You mention hardly a mass expenditure £300k, it’s massive for us when you compare our wage bill, our ground brings in no revenue either. Wait till we see the latest accounts, you mention Ipswich as well, we have 5,500 season ticket holders, some games we only get 7,000, that ST money is already spent, the additional 1500 pay on the door at £20 a head gives you £30k to run a club?!
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 2, 2024 13:14:59 GMT
When you say " we blown money " all those signings are either frees loans or free agents . We probably released 15 players last year and most clubs outside the top 6 budgets rely on a ' merry go around ' of frees loans or free agents. I don't disagree with many of your points and you seem knowledgeable . However : I am questing the narrative that we are this so called massive club blowing millions on players and managers are massively under achieving. Paul what about the free signings we got ?. Did you mention Thomas is a million pound signing for Barnsley and we get him for free ?. Didn't pompey pay a huge ammount for Marquis ?. I'm sure Ipswich pay a bit for Ward ?. Other clubs pay huge amounts for players and they either run down their contracts or leave on free. We have spent 300k on fees this season. Hardly a mass expenditure. Yes we have a competitive mid table budget but I question we have a top 8 budget able to compete with the bigger clubs and pay massive six figure fees. And of course when the board says ' we have a top 8 budget ' it causes debates and conflict like this among fans . Indeed if Barton was given a top 6-8 budget I agree he needed to go. I just question this rumour !. It’s not a rumour. The owner said it Source ?. I'll be interested to read. I know he said " we expect to be top 8 " but we're is the link ' we are top 8'. Two different cases !. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 13:18:02 GMT
It’s not a rumour. The owner said it Source ?. I'll be interested to read. I know he said " we expect to be top 8 " but we're is the link ' we are top 8'. Two different cases !. "When we came this summer we invested in players and I think for that budget, comparing to the other budgets in the league, we should be around the top eight if not better” Clearly the budget that we have is top 8 or he wouldn’t have said this. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 2, 2024 13:26:33 GMT
Source ?. I'll be interested to read. I know he said " we expect to be top 8 " but we're is the link ' we are top 8'. Two different cases !. "When we came this summer we invested in players and I think for that budget, comparing to the other budgets in the league, we should be around the top eight if not better” Clearly the budget that we have is top 8 or he wouldn’t have said this. So he's just joined the board and have researched every club and knows every detail of clubs. Either way it is impossible to prove or disprove this statement. It be left to people interpretation unless a reliable source can be found which clearly states playing budgets of each club. I don't believe we are a top 6 - 8 budget . You do . It be left to debate like every club up and down the league. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 2, 2024 13:33:15 GMT
There is a clear difference between paying for a player and wages. We are not or ever have been a club to really to make player transfers with fees unless, we have to replace someone using the fee, Nicholls for Taylor etc. But we have always been a club known to pay well on wages, McAnthony said this summer that we were paying big wages. When half of Liverpool/Accy/Fleetwood all move away from home midweek, it’s because we are paying top wages………Finley, Mark Hughes, Coutts, Evans, Rossiter etc We’ve always been an agents dream and even more so in the last 3 years, look at how many unemployed players we signed, this is players without clubs, Marquis training on his own in Dubai. You mention Pompey and Barnsley, much bigger clubs than us, bigger and better grounds, bigger fan bases. Bristol Rovers only way of surviving whilst getting under 10,000 gates is to compete on wages, and we backed Barton on this well. You mention hardly a mass expenditure £300k, it’s massive for us when you compare our wage bill, our ground brings in no revenue either. Wait till we see the latest accounts, you mention Ipswich as well, we have 5,500 season ticket holders, some games we only get 7,000, that ST money is already spent, the additional 1500 pay on the door at £20 a head gives you £30k to run a club?! Come on Paul it's related. If the top teams spend millions on players in this division. Inevitably in most cases we will have to wait within the free / wage structure. Even then we have missed out on top quality free signings to other teams . I'm not denying we have a competitive budget . I just don't think we got a top budget able to sign players for big fees or pick up the best free signings. Of course this could change in January but you just said in so many words ' we ain't got the money ' which I agree with. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 13:50:08 GMT
There is a clear difference between paying for a player and wages. We are not or ever have been a club to really to make player transfers with fees unless, we have to replace someone using the fee, Nicholls for Taylor etc. But we have always been a club known to pay well on wages, McAnthony said this summer that we were paying big wages. When half of Liverpool/Accy/Fleetwood all move away from home midweek, it’s because we are paying top wages………Finley, Mark Hughes, Coutts, Evans, Rossiter etc We’ve always been an agents dream and even more so in the last 3 years, look at how many unemployed players we signed, this is players without clubs, Marquis training on his own in Dubai. You mention Pompey and Barnsley, much bigger clubs than us, bigger and better grounds, bigger fan bases. Bristol Rovers only way of surviving whilst getting under 10,000 gates is to compete on wages, and we backed Barton on this well. You mention hardly a mass expenditure £300k, it’s massive for us when you compare our wage bill, our ground brings in no revenue either. Wait till we see the latest accounts, you mention Ipswich as well, we have 5,500 season ticket holders, some games we only get 7,000, that ST money is already spent, the additional 1500 pay on the door at £20 a head gives you £30k to run a club?! Come on Paul it's related. If the top teams spend millions on players in this division. Inevitably in most cases we will have to wait within the free / wage structure. Even then we have missed out on top quality free signings to other teams . I'm not denying we have a competitive budget . I just don't think we got a top budget able to sign players for big fees or pick up the best free signings. Of course this could change in January but you just said in so many words ' we ain't got the money ' which I agree with. I think we also need to clarify the word free transfer, lots of players get signing on fees as well, the players in demand, they take advantage of the demand and no fee. All I will say is this, Barton asked for a bigger budget, he never once this summer or before he left said I’m working my hands tied here. He said he was working for free, this is a man who openly speaks, he’s not said once since he left he had a bad budget? You only have to look at what Steve Evans has done with his budget, signing the likes of Harry Anderson and see where we are. I think we could carry, 5 less players wages and paid out fees, currently we have 3 keepers, 3 LB’s Gordon, Friend, Clarke (4 with Vale), 3 RB’s Hunt, Hoole, Gibbons, these are al proper pros! CM’s, Finely, Woods, Ward, Rossiter, Bogarde, Evans. We have loads of players like Grant who was signed as a CM but played now CB, LB, RB. The manager Matt Taylor has publicly said it’s a big squad, we are splitting hairs on wages over fees but the budget is top 8, the owner said it, Barton hasn’t complained before or after. |
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Post by brads213 on Jan 2, 2024 14:08:23 GMT
Did the Wycombe keeper not get booked twice if that’s correct what grounds do we have for a replay
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 2, 2024 14:15:39 GMT
"When we came this summer we invested in players and I think for that budget, comparing to the other budgets in the league, we should be around the top eight if not better” Clearly the budget that we have is top 8 or he wouldn’t have said this. So he's just joined the board and have researched every club and knows every detail of clubs. Either way it is impossible to prove or disprove this statement. It be left to people interpretation unless a reliable source can be found which clearly states playing budgets of each club. I don't believe we are a top 6 - 8 budget . You do . It be left to debate like every club up and down the league. It's not hard OM, it doesnt have to be an exact figure or an exact science. Every year budgets are published. For example we know that Oxford and Plymouth spent around £4.5m and achieved very different results. They were top 8 budgets. Ipswich and Sheff W spent in excess of £9m. So if this year the owner knows hes writing down £4.5-5m on a playing budget, including youngsters and crocks, then its a top 8 budget most likely given the big spenders got promoted. |
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Post by gasheadmichal on Jan 2, 2024 14:34:05 GMT
Next season we will know if we were top 8 budget.
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Post by bambergashead on Jan 2, 2024 16:38:23 GMT
Did the Wycombe keeper not get booked twice if that’s correct what grounds do we have for a replay Unfortunately not. It was their number 6 Tafazolli who got booked although Ali Durden did say 'keeper in the commentary. |
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Post by SleepyGas on Jan 2, 2024 16:42:51 GMT
Did the Wycombe keeper not get booked twice if that’s correct what grounds do we have for a replay Unfortunately not. It was their number 6 Tafazolli who got booked although Ali Durden did say 'keeper in the commentary. Imagine how inept a ref you would have to be to book a KEEPER twice in the same game and not remember it..!! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 2, 2024 20:53:02 GMT
So he's just joined the board and have researched every club and knows every detail of clubs. Either way it is impossible to prove or disprove this statement. It be left to people interpretation unless a reliable source can be found which clearly states playing budgets of each club. I don't believe we are a top 6 - 8 budget . You do . It be left to debate like every club up and down the league. It's not hard OM, it doesnt have to be an exact figure or an exact science. Every year budgets are published. For example we know that Oxford and Plymouth spent around £4.5m and achieved very different results. They were top 8 budgets. Ipswich and Sheff W spent in excess of £9m. So if this year the owner knows hes writing down £4.5-5m on a playing budget, including youngsters and crocks, then its a top 8 budget most likely given the big spenders got promoted. Any chance you could post a link to the list of L1 playing budgets, as I've never seen such a list. I've even no idea what Rovers own playing budget is as all the accounts show is the club's wage budget, which includes everybody from the groundsman to the CEO, and possibly higher. |
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