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Post by supergas on Jan 18, 2024 3:28:42 GMT
From the camera angle on the highlights it's hard to tell, but he's close to level with Grant (?) in the centre on screen and the shadows suggest there are other players further to the right who are even deeper... |
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 18, 2024 6:08:19 GMT
As is the case with many games I watch as a neutral, decisions always seem to go with the bigger club.
Watching that back is painful, for all their money, wages etc and we really could have finished them.
I’m getting jaded as I realise football is virtually only just about players. All the tactics, team spirit and ethos in the world cannot beat just simply paying 3 times as much to get the best players. Clough knew this.
So really what do we watch? We watch new collection of players every year which are the best our budget can afford, and do battle with other clubs and usually it’s decided on the wage structure. The way they finished their chances just shows that. They have those finishers. We have one but he’s clapped out and old (sorry Chris).
We could just replace the game with just a comparison of wage budgets at the start of the game and largest wins. It will save all the BS, all the misplaced hope as pretty much that decides everything.
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Post by gasify on Jan 18, 2024 6:47:18 GMT
As is the case with many games I watch as a neutral, decisions always seem to go with the bigger club. Watching that back is painful, for all their money, wages etc and we really could have finished them. I’m getting jaded as I realise football is virtually only just about players. All the tactics, team spirit and ethos in the world cannot beat just simply paying 3 times as much to get the best players. Clough knew this. So really what do we watch? We watch new collection of players every year which are the best our budget can afford, and do battle with other clubs and usually it’s decided on the wage structure. The way they finished their chances just shows that. They have those finishers. We have one but he’s clapped out and old (sorry Chris). We could just replace the game with just a comparison of wage budgets at the start of the game and largest wins. It will save all the BS, all the misplaced hope as pretty much that decides everything. What a waste of time. Just have an auction at the start of the season: Lot 1 - League Cup Lot 2 - FA Cup Lot 3 - Premiership Title Lot 4 - European Participation Trophy Lot 5 - Europa Cup Lot 6 - Champions League To string it out over a season, they could be blind bids. Then each fixture will compare the bids and the 3 points will go to the highest bids. I do think we are going to see a couple of very high profile club failures on a par with Rangers over the next 10 years this new rule about submitting accounts by 31st Dec and then FFP impacts clubs who are making a loss of £105m over 3 years just seems like a double whammy. You have to face the losses and you then lose points which increases the risk of relegation and even more losses. I've always been a fan of a Salary cap. Not one that is connected to revenue but one that is the same for each team in that league. I've also thought that football could learn something from the NFL draft process. Fix two issues with the same rule. Academy players should belong to the FA and not the club. Then at the beginning of the season the clubs get to select those academy players in reverse place order: Playoff winner from league below 2nd place from League below League winner from league below Then the teams in the league from bottom up with the highest teams selecting later. This should also resolve the talent problem that lower league clubs are facing. |
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Post by percy on Jan 18, 2024 6:59:22 GMT
Having not been there, but now seen the highlights.
First goal didnt appear off side. Soft pen, Cox has done brilliantly to get to it then somehow not kept it out!
Everyone wanting a natural goal scorer. We had one on the pitch, had an easy chance to equalise and he didnt bury it. It happens.
Positives, looked very even for chances. Taylor we know is great. Crama looks to be back to his best and Grant doing a job. With Connolly back and Finley probably out, time to give Grant the DCM role and see how he does. Not many other options.
We go again. Looking forward to a proper Bristol day on Saturday.
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Post by thegasareback on Jan 18, 2024 7:06:26 GMT
As is the case with many games I watch as a neutral, decisions always seem to go with the bigger club. Watching that back is painful, for all their money, wages etc and we really could have finished them. I’m getting jaded as I realise football is virtually only just about players. All the tactics, team spirit and ethos in the world cannot beat just simply paying 3 times as much to get the best players. Clough knew this. So really what do we watch? We watch new collection of players every year which are the best our budget can afford, and do battle with other clubs and usually it’s decided on the wage structure. The way they finished their chances just shows that. They have those finishers. We have one but he’s clapped out and old (sorry Chris). We could just replace the game with just a comparison of wage budgets at the start of the game and largest wins. It will save all the BS, all the misplaced hope as pretty much that decides everything. We will always have our favourites but ultimately all we are doing is cheering the jersey. The players inside it will come and go. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 18, 2024 7:31:29 GMT
Having seen the highlights I'm still of the opinion that it wasn't a penalty. Their player ran into Thomas and looked like he was offside anyway. Thomas had both feet on the floor and didn't make any motion towards him.
What the highlights don't show is the blatant handball in the lead up to their third which wasn't ball to hand.
Hard to tell if the first was offside or not but it looked like a well timed run to me. How unlucky to strike the post and fall to their player though.
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 18, 2024 7:50:45 GMT
If Thomas puts the late chance away in the first half it's almost game over.
Norwich were always going to have a spell and we did quite well to contain them and push them backwards.
At 1-1 it felt like we were losing the game, the crowd was silent, the players lost a yard and all momentum was with Norwich.
Add in some poor decision from the ref and we were up against it.
Finley was clattered on the centre circle then got booked for dissent.
The handball had to be given didn't it? It was a flicked through ball which was halted by a hand, so it's an unfair advantage even if accidental. VAR rules out goals for that type of thing.
Jack Hunt had an absolute mare when he came on. Unacceptable performance.
Collins is in need of a break and some help with his confidence. He's shot to bits and it's painful to watch.
Josh Grant, Connor Taylor, Evans, Thomas, were all good and Chris Martin was a handful when the ball was near him although nobody near enough to capitalise on his work. Great chance to score too.
On our crowd and something I noticed again which is different from some others. We react very well when conceding. However, the players need that energy when the opposition gain momentum. You could feel that Norwich had stepped up a gear and were keeping possession higher up the field and our lads had stopped hunting in packs. That's when the crowd need to liven it rather than waiting for the inevitable and reacting out of desperation/frustration/adversity. Difficult against higher grade opposition but the same thing happens in the league.
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Post by dudelebowski on Jan 18, 2024 7:53:34 GMT
Having seen the highlights I'm still of the opinion that it wasn't a penalty. Their player ran into Thomas and looked like he was offside anyway. Thomas had both feet on the floor and didn't make any motion towards him. What the highlights don't show is the blatant handball in the lead up to their third which wasn't ball to hand. Hard to tell if the first was offside or not but it looked like a well timed run to me. How unlucky to strike the post and fall to their player though. Their equaliser same as Barnsley last weekend, off the post and drops kindly to one of theirs for the tap in. Now I’ve seen the penalty award I’m even more gutted, that’s what they had to resort too. So clearly a dive and lunge forward after the ball had run through to Cox, the ref has bought it all ends up. |
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Post by RD on Jan 18, 2024 8:04:43 GMT
If Thomas puts the late chance away in the first half it's almost game over. Maybe, but not quite so confident personally. Facts are they were poor first half and a different side second - a half in which they scored 3. So even if we buried the second, given they were a totally different side second half, if they still went on to bag 3, the only difference is that we would have lost by a single goal. So yes - maybe. But I'm not sure it would have necessarily made a difference. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2024 8:08:17 GMT
Thought it was a very good cup tie and certainly for the first half we went toe to toe.
The game probably summed up our season in 97 minutes -
Goalkeeper nearly makes a crucial save ....he gets to the penalty and somehow bundles it into the opposite corner !
Thomas misses chances at a key time...
Finley and Evans gave their all but wasn't quite enough. Sammy is carrying a nasty hip injury and not expecting to see him for the next few games.
Taylor looked solid throughout..
Collins just not good enough now - I don't accept this confidence tripe - maybe donate your wages then to people really struggling with life as you aren't earning them.
Vale - Not a left back and defensively gets caught out too many times in a game.
Again in a key moment defenders are watching a rebound whilst the opposition bury it.
Late journey home chatting all things Gas and when you look at our squad we were conned into thinking how great it allegedly is ....Think we need to get to safety asap and start giving our own players the opportunity.
The game itself was pretty good and Norwich were superb on the break second half - again showed the difference in fitness levels between Championship and L1 - our players were walking back and watching Norwich players race past them like the Red Arrows.
I think MT leaves his changes too late and when fresh legs were needed nothing was forthcoming...
Can't remember who is in or out of contract in the summer but I wouldn't be too sorry to see most go ....I would also release Sinclair in this window if at all possible.
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 18, 2024 8:08:57 GMT
If Thomas puts the late chance away in the first half it's almost game over. Maybe, but not quite so confident personally. Facts are they were poor first half and a different side second - a half in which they scored 3. So even if we buried the second, given they were a totally different side second half, if they still went on to bag 3, the only difference is that we would have lost by a single goal. So yes - maybe. But I'm not sure it would have necessarily made a difference. Goals change dynamics. 2 goals is obviously a different mountain than 1 and the mood of the place and both camps would have been different. It was a fantastic opportunity to take a step closer to the finish line but of course your point is valid. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2024 8:14:37 GMT
Impressed with their counter which they hit us with pace and numbers. Sadly something we are lacking up top is fitness and pace to press or stretch another opponents defence that once they weathered the first 20 knew they were in for a easy time.martin is not the answer and the system only helps him as a individual and his personal goal tally.
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Post by RD on Jan 18, 2024 8:15:21 GMT
Maybe, but not quite so confident personally. Facts are they were poor first half and a different side second - a half in which they scored 3. So even if we buried the second, given they were a totally different side second half, if they still went on to bag 3, the only difference is that we would have lost by a single goal. So yes - maybe. But I'm not sure it would have necessarily made a difference. Goals change dynamics. 2 goals is obviously a different mountain than 1 and the mood of the place and both camps would have been different. It was a fantastic opportunity to take a step closer to the finish line but of course your point is valid. Normally I'd agree but no evidence of that last night. They couldn't be arsed in the first, got a rollicking at HT and were a totally different side in the second. For all we know, a second may have made them come out the second half even angrier and stick 5 past us! Normally I'd be inclined to agree, but no evidence of that whatsoever last night. |
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Post by messygas on Jan 18, 2024 8:18:56 GMT
Good game last night. In the end the gap between levels was apparent. Really pleased to see the south stand with fans in. Thought it was excellent!
Some solid performances, some errors but it wasn't a bad performance.
I thought Norwich were excellent in creating space for each other, there were lots of occasions our players were clustered in twos or threes and we were unable to spread the play.
The only area I thought was not to my liking was tracking back. Too many times players on our team were beaten in position that needed us to fight for it but they just stopped.
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Post by pennardgas on Jan 18, 2024 8:55:43 GMT
From the camera angle on the highlights it's hard to tell, but he's close to level with Grant (?) in the centre on screen and the shadows suggest there are other players further to the right who are even deeper... Surely you have to be offside when the ball is played. As it rebounded off the post & into his path, I don't think there's any way he's offside when the original shot comes in. The penalty decision mind, that's a shocker. |
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Post by supergas on Jan 18, 2024 9:01:56 GMT
From the camera angle on the highlights it's hard to tell, but he's close to level with Grant (?) in the centre on screen and the shadows suggest there are other players further to the right who are even deeper... Surely you have to be offside when the ball is played. As it rebounded off the post & into his path, I don't think there's any way he's offside when the original shot comes in. The penalty decision mind, that's a shocker. I thought we were talking about the long ball from the centre of the pitch to the left wing. The actual scorer is miles onside when the shot that hits the post is struck |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 18, 2024 9:04:33 GMT
If Thomas puts the late chance away in the first half it's almost game over. Norwich were always going to have a spell and we did quite well to contain them and push them backwards. At 1-1 it felt like we were losing the game, the crowd was silent, the players lost a yard and all momentum was with Norwich. Add in some poor decision from the ref and we were up against it. Finley was clattered on the centre circle then got booked for dissent. The handball had to be given didn't it? It was a flicked through ball which was halted by a hand, so it's an unfair advantage even if accidental. VAR rules out goals for that type of thing. Jack Hunt had an absolute mare when he came on. Unacceptable performance. Collins is in need of a break and some help with his confidence. He's shot to bits and it's painful to watch. Josh Grant, Connor Taylor, Evans, Thomas, were all good and Chris Martin was a handful when the ball was near him although nobody near enough to capitalise on his work. Great chance to score too. On our crowd and something I noticed again which is different from some others. We react very well when conceding. However, the players need that energy when the opposition gain momentum. You could feel that Norwich had stepped up a gear and were keeping possession higher up the field and our lads had stopped hunting in packs. That's when the crowd need to liven it rather than waiting for the inevitable and reacting out of desperation/frustration/adversity. Difficult against higher grade opposition but the same thing happens in the league. Thomas chance wasn't as guilt edged as I think you say it was. Outside the area, he had to shape his body the keeper was the right side of his goal where Thomas had to place it. He should have got it on target for sure but it wasn't as good a chance as the Norwich 3rd for example. Collins just proved last night that he isn't a championship player. I thought he looked ok when he was on the ball or when he gets it into his feet but when it's a high ball he can't win anything in the air. He doesn't seem to be forward enough to benefit from a flick from Martin. Whether that's because he isn't working hard enough, he's told not to get into those positions or it's just not in his locker I don't know. No doubt he's having an awful season in terms of goal return but he's still contributing assists regularly enough to say there's a place for him in the team. Put it this way, Javani Brown hasn't shown he's any improvement or a better option. |
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Post by supergas on Jan 18, 2024 9:22:07 GMT
I've always been a fan of a Salary cap. Not one that is connected to revenue but one that is the same for each team in that league. I've also thought that football could learn something from the NFL draft process. Fix two issues with the same rule. Academy players should belong to the FA and not the club. Then at the beginning of the season the clubs get to select those academy players in reverse place order: Playoff winner from league below 2nd place from League below League winner from league below Then the teams in the league from bottom up with the highest teams selecting later. This should also resolve the talent problem that lower league clubs are facing. The NFL draft system only works because it's a closed system overall. There are only 32 franchises in the NFL, however many thousand college football players each year don't have any other options to play the sport they love at the highest level. A better fix for the UK (soccer overall) is to clamp down on hoarding players. I have no issue with club academies for players up to the age of 18-20. Beyond that, a whole series of loans until they prove themselves or their contract is cancelled doesn't help anyone *apart* from the big clubs. When we find a decent way of restricting the big clubs with big budget who hoard talent *just in case* they come good, rather than naturally letting them filter down to their actual level early in their career, then we will have a much better system... |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 18, 2024 9:23:13 GMT
I know LT got Mom but I thought that LMc was 10/10 last night. Real energy in the MF. A fit LMc is an asset.
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Post by sandersgas on Jan 18, 2024 9:31:08 GMT
Stood in the West terrace bang in line when the pass for the first goal was played. Linesman was 5-10 yards away from where he should have been, for that and most of the 2nd half. At times he was running the line, inside the boundary of the pitch. Couldn’t keep up with the play. Definite off side,
Penalty seemed soft,
3rd goal build up again what’s not hand ball about that, I don’t know. I thought McCormick looked great and came off too early. Martin ran out of steam after 70 mins, Marquis should have come on then ? Collins often chasing shadows, we were playing long balls up to him expecting him to get on the end of them. No chance.
Norwich were the better side, 2nd half they were much quicker to every pass or loose ball. just can’t help but feel a bit of injustice about the decisions
But that’s football I guess.
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