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Post by dudelebowski on Jan 25, 2024 12:42:27 GMT
But where was this energy post Charlton and a superb December?đ4 weeks hell of a long time down the Mem
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Post by melrosegas on Jan 25, 2024 12:45:55 GMT
But where was this energy post Charlton and a superb December?đ4 weeks hell of a long time down the Mem Good results on the pitch can only mask off-field issues for so long South Stand and staff recruitment have been ongoing issues regardless of form |
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Post by returnofthedust on Jan 25, 2024 12:46:26 GMT
But where was this energy post Charlton and a superb December?đ4 weeks hell of a long time down the Mem Some of us have had concerns for a long time and echoed them during the 6 week management recruitment process. Of course things are worse in the fanbase after 4 defeats in a row and a January window thatâs seen nobody come in and the only deal we were close to completing has potentially stuffed up by a kid with no experience. |
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Post by rocknrollaayatollah on Jan 25, 2024 12:48:39 GMT
But where was this energy post Charlton and a superb December?đ4 weeks hell of a long time down the Mem I could be wrong but it all seems like a massive overreaction to me. I honestly think if we didn't have all the injuries we've had over the last few weeks we would have picked up a lot more points and this discussion wouldn't be happening. |
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Post by gasheadontour on Jan 25, 2024 12:53:02 GMT
Portsmouth have 8 players out of contract at end of season plus 3 on-loan and they have decided not to do contract negotiations until they feel the time is right.
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Post by melrosegas on Jan 25, 2024 12:55:32 GMT
But where was this energy post Charlton and a superb December?đ4 weeks hell of a long time down the Mem I could be wrong but it all seems like a massive overreaction to me. I honestly think if we didn't have all the injuries we've had over the last few weeks we would have picked up a lot more points and this discussion wouldn't be happening. I am inclined to agree with you re on field performance. We have had key injuries to important players (would be interested to see how important Ward is to our form, feels like he is as important to us as Rodri is for Manchester City). However, how can anyone explain the numerous vacancies in key off-field positions? Recruitment, Analysts, Club secretary, Financial controller, Head of finance, Head of media etc. South Stand paperwork and planning, JCH paperwork, Match reports on website, Lack of communication from new ownership etc. These issues would exist whether we were top of the league or in the relegation zone. |
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jan 25, 2024 12:56:10 GMT
Well, if that does not draw a response from the club, it will tell us everything and what many have been saying for quite sometime. Fair play to Dan Hargreaves for putting it out there. Exactly. The article makes it very clear about what people in the most important positions feel about how the club is being run as was evident from Matt Taylorâs interview after Exeter. Clearly he feels he is not being supported, and I am sure it is him that has expressed his disappointment and frustration to Dan that it took a month to bring in an assistant and even now itâs still not been officially announced. Also that there is no recruitment team and that this was known 1 month before the transfer window opened and here we are 6 days before the end of it and there is still nothing and so we have missed out on his targets and have to go with what we have. This article is designed to lay the boot into the ownership on behalf of the fans, it wonât have been done lightly, it is very unusual for a local paper to attack the owners of a local club BEFORE the fans are openly doing so, and it takes balls to do it. Our fans in the past have often been too apathetic and forgiving of bad ownership and tend to blame everyone else but the club owners for its lack of progress or for bad outcomes. These new owners have barely communicated with us since they took over, the complete opposite of say the Wrexham owners, and yet we have many fans who are happy to give them the benefit of the doubt. What do they deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt? Actions? Going ahead with the new stadium that was proposed? Happy people at the FC? Player recruitment? Building a competent management structure to support the first team? Effective and inspirational communication? We will have the failing club we deserve (or no club) unless we are willing, as emotional shareholders, to hold to account the actual shareholders. Dan Hargraves has lit a spark that could be a catalyst for a change in attitude. I know some fans have great difficulty in separating the FC itself from the owners of the FC, thinking they are one and the same and what is good for the owner is good for the FC and vice versa, but they must. It is not the same and something that is very bad for the FC could still be very good for an owner. |
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Post by Quarters on Jan 25, 2024 13:07:32 GMT
Portsmouth have 8 players out of contract at end of season plus 3 on-loan and they have decided not to do contract negotiations until they feel the time is right. Like when they know what division they are in! |
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Post by buktaboy on Jan 25, 2024 13:13:25 GMT
Hopefully those in attendance on Saturday can at least raise a few "you don't know what you're doing" chants towards the holiday chalets.
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Post by singupgas on Jan 25, 2024 13:17:55 GMT
But where was this energy post Charlton and a superb December?đ4 weeks hell of a long time down the Mem There have been concerns for a long time, some of us voice them more so than others. Even if we won the next 3 or 4 games, that would not stop me from being concerned about the direction the club is going in. We don't go a week, definitely a month, without there being another story about how something at the club has gone wrong. I am fed up of us being mediocre. Just to add a family member of mine was going to buy a seat in the East stand for Tuesdays game, it was near ÂŁ40. It's an insult when we can even sign players. How many league 1 clubs charge near ÂŁ40 for a seat. The club need to start treating us with some respect as paying supporters who will be here when they move on. I question their heart to progress Rovers. |
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Post by rocknrollaayatollah on Jan 25, 2024 13:18:05 GMT
I could be wrong but it all seems like a massive overreaction to me. I honestly think if we didn't have all the injuries we've had over the last few weeks we would have picked up a lot more points and this discussion wouldn't be happening. I am inclined to agree with you re on field performance. We have had key injuries to important players (would be interested to see how important Ward is to our form, feels like he is as important to us as Rodri is for Manchester City). However, how can anyone explain the numerous vacancies in key off-field positions? Recruitment, Analysts, Club secretary, Financial controller, Head of finance, Head of media etc. South Stand paperwork and planning, JCH paperwork, Match reports on website, Lack of communication from new ownership etc. These issues would exist whether we were top of the league or in the relegation zone. I'm not saying those aren't valid issues but they still would be issues if we had won the last 5 games but hardly anyone would be talking about it. |
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Post by RD on Jan 25, 2024 13:21:59 GMT
But where was this energy post Charlton and a superb December?đ4 weeks hell of a long time down the Mem I could be wrong but it all seems like a massive overreaction to me. I honestly think if we didn't have all the injuries we've had over the last few weeks we would have picked up a lot more points and this discussion wouldn't be happening. But even if we weren't talking about it, it doesn't mean there wouldn't have still been a problem. |
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Post by RD on Jan 25, 2024 13:22:53 GMT
I am inclined to agree with you re on field performance. We have had key injuries to important players (would be interested to see how important Ward is to our form, feels like he is as important to us as Rodri is for Manchester City). However, how can anyone explain the numerous vacancies in key off-field positions? Recruitment, Analysts, Club secretary, Financial controller, Head of finance, Head of media etc. South Stand paperwork and planning, JCH paperwork, Match reports on website, Lack of communication from new ownership etc. These issues would exist whether we were top of the league or in the relegation zone. I'm not saying those aren't valid issues but they still would be issues if we had won the last 5 games but hardly anyone would be talking about it. Whether or not we talk about it doesn't change whether or not the issues exist though? It's just asking whether or not we've had been more prepared to take the "ignorance is bliss" approach. |
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Post by phillistine on Jan 25, 2024 13:26:04 GMT
i have acted as a consultant for many businesses over the years and every succesful person/company makes mistakes. What matters next is how the individuals react. They can either stick their heels in and make matters worse or they can hold their hands up and set about putting it all right.
The true leader will do the latter.
The irony is that some of the practices that the owners have introduced would be considered good business sense in a normal inedustry particularly in a company which is recording losses.
Football however is not like that and the Owners need to learn quickly if they are to safeguard their own investment. They need to find someone they can trust who knows the football world - even listening to the manager who seems a sensible guy. The Rotherham chairman - who ironically sacked Taylor - has since stated how much he learned from him about running a football club.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 25, 2024 13:28:04 GMT
Well, if that does not draw a response from the club, it will tell us everything and what many have been saying for quite sometime. Fair play to Dan Hargreaves for putting it out there. Exactly. The article makes it very clear about what people in the most important positions feel about how the club is being run as was evident from Matt Taylorâs interview after Exeter. Clearly he feels he is not being supported, and I am sure it is him that has expressed his disappointment and frustration to Dan that it took a month to bring in an assistant and even now itâs still not been officially announced. Also that there is no recruitment team and that this was known 1 month before the transfer window opened and here we are 6 days before the end of it and there is still nothing and so we have missed out on his targets and have to go with what we have. This article is designed to lay the boot into the ownership on behalf of the fans, it wonât have been done lightly, it is very unusual for a local paper to attack the owners of a local club BEFORE the fans are openly doing so, and it takes balls to do it. Our fans in the past have often been too apathetic and forgiving of bad ownership and tend to blame everyone else but the club owners for its lack of progress or for bad outcomes. These new owners have barely communicated with us since they took over, the complete opposite of say the Wrexham owners, and yet we have many fans who are happy to give them the benefit of the doubt. What do they deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt? Actions? Going ahead with the new stadium that was proposed? Happy people at the FC? Player recruitment? Building a competent management structure to support the first team? Effective and inspirational communication?  We will have the failing club we deserve (or no club) unless we are willing, as emotional shareholders, to hold to account the actual shareholders. Dan Hargraves has lit a spark that could be a catalyst for a change in attitude. I know some fans have great difficulty in separating the FC itself from the owners of the FC, thinking they are one and the same and what is good for the owner is good for the FC and vice versa, but they must. It is not the same and something that is very bad for the FC could still be very good for an owner. Or are local journalists, enamoured with the lovely facilities and champagne at the Gate simply sh stirring? |
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Post by bluetooth0077 on Jan 25, 2024 13:28:22 GMT
How do we smuggle Tennis balls into the mem Saturday?
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Post by rocknrollaayatollah on Jan 25, 2024 13:31:39 GMT
I'm not saying those aren't valid issues but they still would be issues if we had won the last 5 games but hardly anyone would be talking about it. Whether or not we talk about it doesn't change whether or not the issues exist though? It's just asking whether or not we've had been more prepared to take the "ignorance is bliss" approach. Like I said they are valid issues but it's obvious that amount of discussion going on here wouldn't be happening if the last few results were better. I know it's the nature of most football fans but I'd prefer it if there was more criticism when things are going well rather than the doom spiral this place seems to go on when we have a few bad results. |
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jan 25, 2024 13:37:07 GMT
Exactly. The article makes it very clear about what people in the most important positions feel about how the club is being run as was evident from Matt Taylorâs interview after Exeter. Clearly he feels he is not being supported, and I am sure it is him that has expressed his disappointment and frustration to Dan that it took a month to bring in an assistant and even now itâs still not been officially announced. Also that there is no recruitment team and that this was known 1 month before the transfer window opened and here we are 6 days before the end of it and there is still nothing and so we have missed out on his targets and have to go with what we have. This article is designed to lay the boot into the ownership on behalf of the fans, it wonât have been done lightly, it is very unusual for a local paper to attack the owners of a local club BEFORE the fans are openly doing so, and it takes balls to do it. Our fans in the past have often been too apathetic and forgiving of bad ownership and tend to blame everyone else but the club owners for its lack of progress or for bad outcomes. These new owners have barely communicated with us since they took over, the complete opposite of say the Wrexham owners, and yet we have many fans who are happy to give them the benefit of the doubt. What do they deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt? Actions? Going ahead with the new stadium that was proposed? Happy people at the FC? Player recruitment? Building a competent management structure to support the first team? Effective and inspirational communication? We will have the failing club we deserve (or no club) unless we are willing, as emotional shareholders, to hold to account the actual shareholders. Dan Hargraves has lit a spark that could be a catalyst for a change in attitude. I know some fans have great difficulty in separating the FC itself from the owners of the FC, thinking they are one and the same and what is good for the owner is good for the FC and vice versa, but they must. It is not the same and something that is very bad for the FC could still be very good for an owner. Or are local journalists, enamoured with the lovely facilities and champagne at the Gate simply sh stirring? No. We absolutely need to lose this inferiority and victim complex that anyone that criticises anything to do with BRFC must be doing it because they are a shithead! Its part of the problem as to why we are where we are! |
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Post by gasgas3 on Jan 25, 2024 13:39:43 GMT
I just think that the ball has started to roll again like some comments have been suggesting.
Loads of smaller things are becoming much much bigger. Support will always turn when pushed over the edge. It only takes one more âthingâ.
Itâs been like this for a long time even more so since the new guys have moved in.
Just my opinion of course.
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Post by northridinggas on Jan 25, 2024 14:07:15 GMT
Whether or not we talk about it doesn't change whether or not the issues exist though? It's just asking whether or not we've had been more prepared to take the "ignorance is bliss" approach. Like I said they are valid issues but it's obvious that amount of discussion going on here wouldn't be happening if the last few results were better. I know it's the nature of most football fans but I'd prefer it if there was more criticism when things are going well rather than the doom spiral this place seems to go on when we have a few bad results. It's not surprising though is it if some of the issues being raised (particularly recruitment and coaching support to the manager) are part of the reason we are performing poorly on the field |
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