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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 28, 2024 11:44:06 GMT
It's odd you've never posted this previously when Wael was in charge, why's it such a big issue now than it was under DC (who had TW pretending to be a HoR then DoF) and JB (who had his mate EJ probably doing the same as TW). The only time we've had a proper DoF was under PT and even then LL was booted as it was felt he wasn't good value. We've no real idea what the new owners intend doing in the next few months but getting through this window means signing whatever players are available now, unless you want them to keep their cheque book closed and then see the season drift away to nothing, or even get dragged into a relegation fight? We all know if we end one season poorly we usually struggle at the start of the next season. Why have I never mentioned this before? Well, this is an obvious one to answer and you have answered it yourself already. Who do we have as a DOF/HOR/Club secretary at the moment? No one. Who did we have before? Dave Sams. Tommy Widdrington. Eddy Jennings. Behind them there were people like Enda Barron and Jamie Hedges. So 7 years worth of back room staff in important positions. In the case of TW and EJ they were appointed by our managers rather than the club. TW had a spell where he survived manager sacking/appointments but we had people in place doing scouting and analytics. "We have no idea what the owners are doing over the next few months" That's the problem. We need a plan and then a structure. We currently don't even have a completed back room staff for MT. You can't leave all of the above to MT. You want him solely focused on the first team football otherwise you are diluting his time away from what is important. Obviously MT will know of players who he will want and sure we can splash the cash to get them but that is just a short term plug. What about players for the summer window and next Jan? This may give you an idea why structure and club secretary's are so important. The CS left under the previous owners regime, clearly somebody is doing the job even if they haven't been officially confirmed in the role. So far I've not heard MT suggest we've missed out on signing players this window as we don't have a CS at the club. |
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jan 28, 2024 11:59:34 GMT
We won yesterday and played well Totally agree; I don't understand why so many are moaning about the new owners; the club has come a long way since 86 leaving what was a dilapidated Eastville Stadium, the club played for 10 seasons at Twerton, training at Frys while fighting to get back to Bristol, its only since the arrival of Wael the club has managed to replace the old Frenchay site with its own new Training Ground, and this week managed to quasi open a new 3000 seater South Stand, largely financed I understand by the new owner, wtf do people expect ? |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 28, 2024 12:34:00 GMT
We won yesterday and played well Totally agree; I don't understand why so many are moaning about the new owners; the club has come a long way since 86 leaving what was a dilapidated Eastville Stadium, the club played for 10 seasons at Twerton, training at Frys while fighting to get back to Bristol, its only since the arrival of Wael the club has managed to replace the old Frenchay site with its own new Training Ground, and this week managed to quasi open a new 3000 seater South Stand, largely financed I understand by the new owner, wtf do people expect ? Bills to be paid seems the main thing. Nothing else written can be , or won’t be substantiated. It’s never about glory, following Rovers |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 28, 2024 13:15:08 GMT
Bit of a daft comment / argument this. I am assuming you (like me) don’t know the details of the service provided or the lack of payment or what has gone to try and resolve it so maybe a little respect to the poster is needed here. He has still come on here to air his grievances - Has he not told the forum his own personal issues with the club. It’s an observation and not a stupid one or are we not allowed to say anything against this esteemed moderator in response. I'm on here to post my opinion on any subjects to do with Bristol Rovers. Just so happens I'm one of a 3 or 4 people that have the same grievance. I'm a poster first and mod second. No other mod has commented on your post and you are entitled to say what you want to about me as I can about you within reason. That said your observation held an opinion which was pretty stupid. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 28, 2024 13:18:11 GMT
Why have I never mentioned this before? Well, this is an obvious one to answer and you have answered it yourself already. Who do we have as a DOF/HOR/Club secretary at the moment? No one. Who did we have before? Dave Sams. Tommy Widdrington. Eddy Jennings. Behind them there were people like Enda Barron and Jamie Hedges. So 7 years worth of back room staff in important positions. In the case of TW and EJ they were appointed by our managers rather than the club. TW had a spell where he survived manager sacking/appointments but we had people in place doing scouting and analytics. "We have no idea what the owners are doing over the next few months" That's the problem. We need a plan and then a structure. We currently don't even have a completed back room staff for MT. You can't leave all of the above to MT. You want him solely focused on the first team football otherwise you are diluting his time away from what is important. Obviously MT will know of players who he will want and sure we can splash the cash to get them but that is just a short term plug. What about players for the summer window and next Jan? This may give you an idea why structure and club secretary's are so important. The CS left under the previous owners regime, clearly somebody is doing the job even if they haven't been officially confirmed in the role. So far I've not heard MT suggest we've missed out on signing players this window as we don't have a CS at the club. Correct he did, and then we replaced him with a lad who was 21 from Oldham fresh out of uni, who lasted 3 months and then we didn't replace him at all, which probably didn't help in the JCH transfer window. If you watch the video, you'll see why it's such an important position for the club to have, it's so much more than handling transfer deadline day. Someone posted, I think it was Claremont Gas, that it's currently being done by the HR manager and Tom G. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 28, 2024 14:17:00 GMT
The CS left under the previous owners regime, clearly somebody is doing the job even if they haven't been officially confirmed in the role. So far I've not heard MT suggest we've missed out on signing players this window as we don't have a CS at the club. Correct he did, and then we replaced him with a lad who was 21 from Oldham fresh out of uni, who lasted 3 months and then we didn't replace him at all, which probably didn't help in the JCH transfer window. If you watch the video, you'll see why it's such an important position for the club to have, it's so much more than handling transfer deadline day. Someone posted, I think it was Claremont Gas, that it's currently being done by the HR manager and Tom G. So the issues started under Wael, why didn't you call out him for running the club on a shambolic basis? None of us really know what the new owners faced when they walked through the doors. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 28, 2024 14:28:29 GMT
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Post by buktaboy on Jan 28, 2024 15:48:10 GMT
We won yesterday and played well Totally agree; I don't understand why so many are moaning about the new owners; the club has come a long way since 86 leaving what was a dilapidated Eastville Stadium, the club played for 10 seasons at Twerton, training at Frys while fighting to get back to Bristol, its only since the arrival of Wael the club has managed to replace the old Frenchay site with its own new Training Ground, and this week managed to quasi open a new 3000 seater South Stand, largely financed I understand by the new owner, wtf do people expect ? Where we were playing 40 years ago or the state of the club then has sod all to where we should be now. Brighton were playing at the Withdean Stadium 13 years ago with hardly a pot to pee in, look at them now. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 28, 2024 16:17:12 GMT
Correct he did, and then we replaced him with a lad who was 21 from Oldham fresh out of uni, who lasted 3 months and then we didn't replace him at all, which probably didn't help in the JCH transfer window. If you watch the video, you'll see why it's such an important position for the club to have, it's so much more than handling transfer deadline day. Someone posted, I think it was Claremont Gas, that it's currently being done by the HR manager and Tom G. So the issues started under Wael, why didn't you call out him for running the club on a shambolic basis? None of us really know what the new owners faced when they walked through the doors. There was a whole thread on it at the time Tops...and on his replacement...and more comments on it when JCH transfer fell through all of which I likely commented on because it's a big bear of mine for ages. As I replied to Aghast post earlier in this thread, you'll find as much criticism as I you do praise from me. Huge mistakes which have cost millions have been made. Not building the biggest. I've criticised that decision too but you probably can't be bothered to remember and you'll pursue your typically belligerent course for the sake of an argument. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 28, 2024 16:17:58 GMT
Totally agree; I don't understand why so many are moaning about the new owners; the club has come a long way since 86 leaving what was a dilapidated Eastville Stadium, the club played for 10 seasons at Twerton, training at Frys while fighting to get back to Bristol, its only since the arrival of Wael the club has managed to replace the old Frenchay site with its own new Training Ground, and this week managed to quasi open a new 3000 seater South Stand, largely financed I understand by the new owner, wtf do people expect ? Where we were playing 40 years ago or the state of the club then has sod all to where we should be now. Brighton were playing at the Withdean Stadium 13 years ago with hardly a pot to pee in, look at them now. Perfect example of building as much on internal footballing structure starting in the boardroom as much as it was the stadium. |
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 28, 2024 17:23:53 GMT
Totally agree; I don't understand why so many are moaning about the new owners; the club has come a long way since 86 leaving what was a dilapidated Eastville Stadium, the club played for 10 seasons at Twerton, training at Frys while fighting to get back to Bristol, its only since the arrival of Wael the club has managed to replace the old Frenchay site with its own new Training Ground, and this week managed to quasi open a new 3000 seater South Stand, largely financed I understand by the new owner, wtf do people expect ? Where we were playing 40 years ago or the state of the club then has sod all to where we should be now. Brighton were playing at the Withdean Stadium 13 years ago with hardly a pot to pee in, look at them now. 41 years ago Brighton were in the top division and okaying in the FA Cup final. Why choose Brightom anyway when you could easily call out Darlo, Oldham, Stockport, Bury, Hereford, Rushden and Diamonds or Rochdale🤷♂️ |
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Post by pirate on Jan 28, 2024 19:18:13 GMT
Where we were playing 40 years ago or the state of the club then has sod all to where we should be now. Brighton were playing at the Withdean Stadium 13 years ago with hardly a pot to pee in, look at them now. 41 years ago Brighton were in the top division and okaying in the FA Cup final. Why choose Brightom anyway when you could easily call out Darlo, Oldham, Stockport, Bury, Hereford, Rushden and Diamonds or Rochdale🤷♂️ Darlo were owned by a crook, Oldham similar but with foreign owners with little known about them, Stockport terribly mismanaged but now improving with quality owner and DoF, Bury owned by successive terrible owners, Hereford terrible financial mismanagement, R&D slid down when Griggs pulled his funding and Rochdale again terribly mismanaged similar to us when we dropped into National League. |
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 28, 2024 21:13:30 GMT
41 years ago Brighton were in the top division and okaying in the FA Cup final. Why choose Brightom anyway when you could easily call out Darlo, Oldham, Stockport, Bury, Hereford, Rushden and Diamonds or Rochdale🤷♂️ Darlo were owned by a crook, Oldham similar but with foreign owners with little known about them, Stockport terribly mismanaged but now improving with quality owner and DoF, Bury owned by successive terrible owners, Hereford terrible financial mismanagement, R&D slid down when Griggs pulled his funding and Rochdale again terribly mismanaged similar to us when we dropped into National League. It's easy with hindsight though isn't it? If we'd considered the futures of all of these clubs, including ours 20 or 30 years ago, the predictions would have been varied. Brighton have worked hard to get that ground at Falmer with an owner who seems to genuinely care about his club. Some luck along the way too no doubt. Perhaps our former owners lucked out a few times whilst many teams seal fate with a kick of the ball-Gareth Taylor, Northamptons goal at 3-0, Luton went up on Pens, we went out the league in unlikely circumstances...football is a funny game but picking one side doesn't create a template for all others as there's many factors. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 28, 2024 21:41:47 GMT
Which is why you have to take the chances when they come along.
2 big sliding doors moments in our history was 1995. Had we won the play off final we would have returned to Bristol a championship club and likely kept hold of Marcus Stewart. That certainly would have changed our fortunes a little going into the latter half of the 20th century.
The next one was not building the UWE. Higgs watertight contract and the delaying by the ALQs really messed that one up there. That should have happened and would have given us a much better platform to move forward.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Jan 28, 2024 21:48:01 GMT
Which is why you have to take the chances when they come along. 2 big sliding doors moments in our history was 1995. Had we won the play off final we would have returned to Bristol a championship club and likely kept hold of Marcus Stewart. That certainly would have changed our fortunes a little going into the latter half of the last decade of the 20th century. The next one was not building the UWE. Higgs watertight contract and the delaying by the ALQs really messed that one up there. That should have happened and would have given us a much better platform to move forward. Fixed that for you. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 28, 2024 21:55:00 GMT
Which is why you have to take the chances when they come along. 2 big sliding doors moments in our history was 1995. Had we won the play off final we would have returned to Bristol a championship club and likely kept hold of Marcus Stewart. That certainly would have changed our fortunes a little going into the latter half of the 20th century. The next one was not building the UWE. Higgs watertight contract and the delaying by the ALQs really messed that one up there. That should have happened and would have given us a much better platform to move forward. The link-up with UWE could have been beneficial on a sporting level in so many ways. Could have collaberated to create a football hub and tapped into the brains of the students pursuing a route into coaching, or scouting, or recruitment, or business management, or data analysis etc etc. Could have been quite innovative and revolutionary. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 28, 2024 21:56:27 GMT
Totally agree; I don't understand why so many are moaning about the new owners; the club has come a long way since 86 leaving what was a dilapidated Eastville Stadium, the club played for 10 seasons at Twerton, training at Frys while fighting to get back to Bristol, its only since the arrival of Wael the club has managed to replace the old Frenchay site with its own new Training Ground, and this week managed to quasi open a new 3000 seater South Stand, largely financed I understand by the new owner, wtf do people expect ? Bills to be paid seems the main thing. Nothing else written can be , or won’t be substantiated. It’s never about glory, following Rovers Around a year into Wael's reign, we heard this bill hasn't been paid, that bill hasn't been paid etc. We were told he was a fraud and that we were going bust. Then a few months later, it all went quiet from those in the know. Know it's the same with the new owners. |
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Post by neilv93 on Jan 29, 2024 7:32:19 GMT
Which is why you have to take the chances when they come along. 2 big sliding doors moments in our history was 1995. Had we won the play off final we would have returned to Bristol a championship club and likely kept hold of Marcus Stewart. That certainly would have changed our fortunes a little going into the latter half of the 20th century. The next one was not building the UWE. Higgs watertight contract and the delaying by the ALQs really messed that one up there. That should have happened and would have given us a much better platform to move forward. The link-up with UWE could have been beneficial on a sporting level in so many ways. Could have collaberated to create a football hub and tapped into the brains of the students pursuing a route into coaching, or scouting, or recruitment, or business management, or data analysis etc etc. Could have been quite innovative and revolutionary. It was genius. One of the reasons I wanted to go and do a Sports Journalism degree. Ultimately settled for Southampton because that hub was already there but you're spot in terms of potential benefits from students, primarily those in the media/video side and data analysis. It'll never happen now for obvious reasons but would be good if it did (UWE). They're just building more huge housing estates on the land now instead, unfortunately. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 29, 2024 9:11:53 GMT
Bills to be paid seems the main thing. Nothing else written can be , or won’t be substantiated. It’s never about glory, following Rovers Around a year into Wael's reign, we heard this bill hasn't been paid, that bill hasn't been paid etc. We were told he was a fraud and that we were going bust. Then a few months later, it all went quiet from those in the know. Know it's the same with the new owners. I wasn’t arguing the point but answering the question of what is making a fair few post like this and yes, you are right about the bills but it was true then, can only go on what a couple have said now, that they haven’t been paid. I have no idea and, if honest, I am nowhere near as bothered as I would have been. At the present time I have become a little indifferent as the club has changed immeasurably from the one that I grew up with and grew to love. I guess that puts me in the dinosaur grouping Daniel |
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 29, 2024 17:57:40 GMT
Which is why you have to take the chances when they come along. 2 big sliding doors moments in our history was 1995. Had we won the play off final we would have returned to Bristol a championship club and likely kept hold of Marcus Stewart. That certainly would have changed our fortunes a little going into the latter half of the 20th century. The next one was not building the UWE. Higgs watertight contract and the delaying by the ALQs really messed that one up there. That should have happened and would have given us a much better platform to move forward. Yep. The stadium for me was Carsons Rd, Mangotsfield/Siston. bristolroversmemorabilia.weebly.com/mangotsfield.htmlWe won the league that year aswell. Just imagine the springboard that would have given us in terms of fanbase, image and revenues. |
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