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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 27, 2024 21:35:53 GMT
Wael spent (wasted?) around £30m how much did he need at his disposal? As far as DC didn't he also tell you Finley was past it? Come on Topper. Wael had been hamstrung from the start. He eventually gained majority control when the damage was done. Jezz I am only assuming that if he had his own way from day one we would not be here now. The guy knows his football and the contacts. Just never had 100% control including the bank account. There are so many clubs that are f?:/ed by wrong owners and we unfortunately are now one of them. Pretty certain he had full control once his father died, it's obvious he couldn't sustain the losses so sold up to the present owners. Fans are deluded if they think there are prospective owners out there just prepared to write off £3m+ a season. If our owners are so bad why have they just splashed out £300K on a new player, given Martin a new contract and appointed MT as manager.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 27, 2024 22:59:51 GMT
Come on Topper. Wael had been hamstrung from the start. He eventually gained majority control when the damage was done. Jezz I am only assuming that if he had his own way from day one we would not be here now. The guy knows his football and the contacts. Just never had 100% control including the bank account. There are so many clubs that are f?:/ed by wrong owners and we unfortunately are now one of them. Pretty certain he had full control once his father died, it's obvious he couldn't sustain the losses so sold up to the present owners. Fans are deluded if they think there are prospective owners out there just prepared to write off £3m+ a season. If our owners are so bad why have they just splashed out £300K on a new player, given Martin a new contract and appointed MT as manager. You clearly haven't digested some of the questions raised. If you save £700k a season in trimming back the staff but then spend that on transfers your losses are still the same and it's just papering over the cracks this club has. We need to be picking gems like Conteh earlier. The key to us being a successful as a club would be building a footballing talent department. DOF/HOR and scouting network to identify, improve and sell on players. This would help cut the losses but provide us with a footballing conveyor belt too. If we don't action this what we do is overload the footballing management, add to his workload and ultimately it falls apart. This club needs more than a couple of £300k transfers for it to be right.
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Post by percy on Jan 28, 2024 8:22:13 GMT
Nice to read from someone who knows the club well
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 28, 2024 8:33:26 GMT
Pretty certain he had full control once his father died, it's obvious he couldn't sustain the losses so sold up to the present owners. Fans are deluded if they think there are prospective owners out there just prepared to write off £3m+ a season. If our owners are so bad why have they just splashed out £300K on a new player, given Martin a new contract and appointed MT as manager. You clearly haven't digested some of the questions raised. If you save £700k a season in trimming back the staff but then spend that on transfers your losses are still the same and it's just papering over the cracks this club has. We need to be picking gems like Conteh earlier. The key to us being a successful as a club would be building a footballing talent department. DOF/HOR and scouting network to identify, improve and sell on players. This would help cut the losses but provide us with a footballing conveyor belt too. If we don't action this what we do is overload the footballing management, add to his workload and ultimately it falls apart. This club needs more than a couple of £300k transfers for it to be right. It's odd you've never posted this previously when Wael was in charge, why's it such a big issue now than it was under DC (who had TW pretending to be a HoR then DoF) and JB (who had his mate EJ probably doing the same as TW). The only time we've had a proper DoF was under PT and even then LL was booted as it was felt he wasn't good value. We've no real idea what the new owners intend doing in the next few months but getting through this window means signing whatever players are available now, unless you want them to keep their cheque book closed and then see the season drift away to nothing, or even get dragged into a relegation fight? We all know if we end one season poorly we usually struggle at the start of the next season.
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 28, 2024 9:17:55 GMT
Nice to read from someone who knows the club well Sorry Percy, but a retweet from some random Welsh bloke who follows forest to make an absurd claim about our 'stadium' is a bit desperate imo. If we boil this down there won't be many fans who'd say our ground is a better fan experience than AG. Even our own fans wouldn't say that. A proper away day experience? What, like huddling on an open terrace getting water wrapped with a terrible view of the match...they'd soon get fed up of that if it was every other week.
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Post by percy on Jan 28, 2024 9:19:59 GMT
Nice to read from someone who knows the club well Sorry Percy, but a retweet from some random Welsh bloke who follows forest to make an absurd claim about our 'stadium' is a bit desperate imo. If we boil this down there won't be many fans who'd say our ground is a better fan experience than AG. Even our own fans wouldn't say that. A proper away day experience? What, like huddling on an open terrace getting water wrapped with a terrible view of the match...they'd soon get fed up of that if it was every other week. It was more Adam’s comment about the leadership than the over the top post he RT’d. Trying to get some balance to all the negativity on here
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Post by bridgwatergas on Jan 28, 2024 9:31:08 GMT
Nice to read from someone who knows the club well Sorry Percy, but a retweet from some random Welsh bloke who follows forest to make an absurd claim about our 'stadium' is a bit desperate imo. If we boil this down there won't be many fans who'd say our ground is a better fan experience than AG. Even our own fans wouldn't say that. A proper away day experience? What, like huddling on an open terrace getting water wrapped with a terrible view of the match...they'd soon get fed up of that if it was every other week. Read the tweet again a fans experience is not always about solely the ground its the whole day. That includes travel,pubs,food,meeting opposing fans,atmosphere and not just about what the stadium looks like.
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 28, 2024 9:32:44 GMT
Sorry Percy, but a retweet from some random Welsh bloke who follows forest to make an absurd claim about our 'stadium' is a bit desperate imo. If we boil this down there won't be many fans who'd say our ground is a better fan experience than AG. Even our own fans wouldn't say that. A proper away day experience? What, like huddling on an open terrace getting water wrapped with a terrible view of the match...they'd soon get fed up of that if it was every other week. It was more Adam’s comment about the leadership than the over the top post he RT’d. Trying to get some balance to all the negativity on here Fair enough. I see what you are doing. Adam has used a poor tweet to get his message out though, imo.
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Post by madgas on Jan 28, 2024 9:35:19 GMT
Nice to read from someone who knows the club well Good to hear. But the supporters trust rely on the club. They do fantastic stuff and the Club support should be applauded. Not in ATs interest to call out the bad
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 28, 2024 9:38:11 GMT
Sorry Percy, but a retweet from some random Welsh bloke who follows forest to make an absurd claim about our 'stadium' is a bit desperate imo. If we boil this down there won't be many fans who'd say our ground is a better fan experience than AG. Even our own fans wouldn't say that. A proper away day experience? What, like huddling on an open terrace getting water wrapped with a terrible view of the match...they'd soon get fed up of that if it was every other week. Read the tweet again a fans experience is not always about solely the ground its the whole day. That includes travel,pubs,food,meeting opposing fans,atmosphere and not just about what the stadium looks like. Where does it say that in the tweet? Plus, a fan travelling to us or city can have largely the same experience until getting in the ground.. I'd take a random Welsh, English, Jamaican fan who supports forest(the last time we played them was?) with a pinch of salt tbh. Adam was clearly trying to find anything to get a message out though. Attaching that tweet to give credit to the owners at this time is weird, but each to their own. Do we really think that south stand is going to make coming to the Mem a fearsome experience 😆
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Post by bridgwatergas on Jan 28, 2024 9:43:53 GMT
Read the tweet again a fans experience is not always about solely the ground its the whole day. That includes travel,pubs,food,meeting opposing fans,atmosphere and not just about what the stadium looks like. Where does it say that in the tweet? Plus, a fan travelling to us or city can have largely the same experience until getting in the ground.. I'd take a random Welsh, English, Jamaican fan who supports forest(the last time we played them was?) with a pinch of salt tbh. Adam was clearly trying to find anything to get a message out though. Attaching that tweet to give credit to the owners at this time is weird, but each to their own. Do we really think that south stand is going to make coming to the Mem a fearsome experience 😆 Where the fan says experience he dosent state stadium.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 28, 2024 9:45:01 GMT
You clearly haven't digested some of the questions raised. If you save £700k a season in trimming back the staff but then spend that on transfers your losses are still the same and it's just papering over the cracks this club has. We need to be picking gems like Conteh earlier. The key to us being a successful as a club would be building a footballing talent department. DOF/HOR and scouting network to identify, improve and sell on players. This would help cut the losses but provide us with a footballing conveyor belt too. If we don't action this what we do is overload the footballing management, add to his workload and ultimately it falls apart. This club needs more than a couple of £300k transfers for it to be right. It's odd you've never posted this previously when Wael was in charge, why's it such a big issue now than it was under DC (who had TW pretending to be a HoR then DoF) and JB (who had his mate EJ probably doing the same as TW). The only time we've had a proper DoF was under PT and even then LL was booted as it was felt he wasn't good value. We've no real idea what the new owners intend doing in the next few months but getting through this window means signing whatever players are available now, unless you want them to keep their cheque book closed and then see the season drift away to nothing, or even get dragged into a relegation fight? We all know if we end one season poorly we usually struggle at the start of the next season. Why have I never mentioned this before? Well, this is an obvious one to answer and you have answered it yourself already. Who do we have as a DOF/HOR/Club secretary at the moment? No one. Who did we have before? Dave Sams. Tommy Widdrington. Eddy Jennings. Behind them there were people like Enda Barron and Jamie Hedges. So 7 years worth of back room staff in important positions. In the case of TW and EJ they were appointed by our managers rather than the club. TW had a spell where he survived manager sacking/appointments but we had people in place doing scouting and analytics. "We have no idea what the owners are doing over the next few months" That's the problem. We need a plan and then a structure. We currently don't even have a completed back room staff for MT. You can't leave all of the above to MT. You want him solely focused on the first team football otherwise you are diluting his time away from what is important. Obviously MT will know of players who he will want and sure we can splash the cash to get them but that is just a short term plug. What about players for the summer window and next Jan? This may give you an idea why structure and club secretary's are so important.
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Post by lympstonegas on Jan 28, 2024 9:58:01 GMT
You clearly haven't digested some of the questions raised. If you save £700k a season in trimming back the staff but then spend that on transfers your losses are still the same and it's just papering over the cracks this club has. We need to be picking gems like Conteh earlier. The key to us being a successful as a club would be building a footballing talent department. DOF/HOR and scouting network to identify, improve and sell on players. This would help cut the losses but provide us with a footballing conveyor belt too. If we don't action this what we do is overload the footballing management, add to his workload and ultimately it falls apart. This club needs more than a couple of £300k transfers for it to be right. It's odd you've never posted this previously when Wael was in charge, why's it such a big issue now than it was under DC (who had TW pretending to be a HoR then DoF) and JB (who had his mate EJ probably doing the same as TW). The only time we've had a proper DoF was under PT and even then LL was booted as it was felt he wasn't good value. We've no real idea what the new owners intend doing in the next few months but getting through this window means signing whatever players are available now, unless you want them to keep their cheque book closed and then see the season drift away to nothing, or even get dragged into a relegation fight? We all know if we end one season poorly we usually struggle at the start of the next season. . Seems from the outside he has got into bed with our friend from Oxford What I don’t understand is if, he is a ‘preferred supplier’ to the football club he must be certainly not doing his cause in getting bills paid by airing his grievances on here. I’m sure it’s known that certain members of the club read the forum. It smacks to me like a very unprofessional business man throwing his toys out the pram because he can’t get his own way - pot calling kettle ?
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 28, 2024 10:23:23 GMT
It's odd you've never posted this previously when Wael was in charge, why's it such a big issue now than it was under DC (who had TW pretending to be a HoR then DoF) and JB (who had his mate EJ probably doing the same as TW). The only time we've had a proper DoF was under PT and even then LL was booted as it was felt he wasn't good value. We've no real idea what the new owners intend doing in the next few months but getting through this window means signing whatever players are available now, unless you want them to keep their cheque book closed and then see the season drift away to nothing, or even get dragged into a relegation fight? We all know if we end one season poorly we usually struggle at the start of the next season. . Seems from the outside he has got into bed with our friend from Oxford What I don’t understand is if, he is a ‘preferred supplier’ to the football club he must be certainly not doing his cause in getting bills paid by airing his grievances on here. I’m sure it’s known that certain members of the club read the forum. It smacks to me like a very unprofessional business man throwing his toys out the pram because he can’t get his own way - pot calling kettle ? If you think that the case then you're as stupid as the comment you have just made. As a side note, do you think there is any great motivation to work for anyone that wont pay you? You'd be the worst businessman in the world if you thought it was even 10% if a good idea.
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Post by percy on Jan 28, 2024 10:31:07 GMT
It's odd you've never posted this previously when Wael was in charge, why's it such a big issue now than it was under DC (who had TW pretending to be a HoR then DoF) and JB (who had his mate EJ probably doing the same as TW). The only time we've had a proper DoF was under PT and even then LL was booted as it was felt he wasn't good value. We've no real idea what the new owners intend doing in the next few months but getting through this window means signing whatever players are available now, unless you want them to keep their cheque book closed and then see the season drift away to nothing, or even get dragged into a relegation fight? We all know if we end one season poorly we usually struggle at the start of the next season. . Seems from the outside he has got into bed with our friend from Oxford What I don’t understand is if, he is a ‘preferred supplier’ to the football club he must be certainly not doing his cause in getting bills paid by airing his grievances on here. I’m sure it’s known that certain members of the club read the forum. It smacks to me like a very unprofessional business man throwing his toys out the pram because he can’t get his own way - pot calling kettle ? Bit of a daft comment / argument this. I am assuming you (like me) don’t know the details of the service provided or the lack of payment or what has gone to try and resolve it so maybe a little respect to the poster is needed here.
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Post by poorblue on Jan 28, 2024 10:52:46 GMT
As so it's not only our club then. Earlier in this post someone quoted Oxford as a club running nice and smoothly ha ha ha
If I look at Oxford now, that same social contract needs to exist and has, to some degree, broken down. Teams lose games and they have bad performances, and wins cover a multitude of sins, but some of the strands that bind the club together have frayed.
What does that mean? These abstract ideas need to be converted into real things. Take, for example, the red and black kit that we wore against Rovers. It’s a throwback to the 1995/96 promotion season. The design carries a quality of ‘if you know, you know’, a nod and wink to an enjoyable shared experience from the past. But you can’t pull that trick too often and the exact same stunt that was pulled within very recent memory. It felt clunky rather than smart, not a decision of someone who understood the club, more someone who’d looked at a graph to make a decision.
Similarly, the club’s social media output is formulaic and distant – the recent signing of Will Goodwin was accompanied with more than ten social media posts, replicated across Instagram, Facebook and Twitter (and probably others). I worry about three tweets promoting our podcast.
The week is punctuated by pictures of training sessions (working hard, strong arm emoji), matchdays might as well be the same content reposted (The boys have arrived, fist-bumps going into the changing rooms). Thinking of the days of Sarah Godding, our social media had personality, it was a fan, it was one of us.
We see the same in distance in club communications, for example, the recent message from Tim Williams applauding the club’s success in ‘matchday activations’. I don’t mind that particularly; nonsense business jargon taken seriously is always funny. But he also announced Chris Hackett as Des Buckingham’s assistant (or at least that he will continue to assist him, which is slightly different, broadly correct and fundamentally no change from what we already knew.) That sent hares running that then needed to be stopped. There was the announcements about when the planning application for the stadium would go in. But it hasn’t.
Des Buckingham has tripped up a couple of times reassuring the fans that new players were imminent. The appointment of a football analyst – not normally a big deal apart from for the super-nerds – seems to be in a muddle as they’re both working behind the scenes and working out their notice at the same time.
I think the desire to communicate is all done for the right reasons, but the fans want reassurance as much as they do stone cold deliverables. I think Williams and Buckingham both come over well when they speak, but the content of what they say rings hollow. I even think, if you look hard, you can see what Buckingham wants do with his team if he had the right players. I think I’d prefer it if the club were to recognise that the departure of Liam Manning – himself still transitioning from Karl Robinson when he left – was a wrench they hadn’t anticipated, and that this season’s focus moved from promotion to another transition. It set us back a bit. Few fans could have complained, it’s not as if the club were at fault when Manning left.
Re-establishing that trust, the social contract, will help re-set expectations. Nobody enjoys a defeat, let’s not pretend the goal of a social contract between club and fans will mask a poor performance. But, if we can agree and accept where on the path we are, then we have a firmer foundation to build from and those difficult periods become easier to manage.
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Post by lympstonegas on Jan 28, 2024 11:29:32 GMT
. Seems from the outside he has got into bed with our friend from Oxford What I don’t understand is if, he is a ‘preferred supplier’ to the football club he must be certainly not doing his cause in getting bills paid by airing his grievances on here. I’m sure it’s known that certain members of the club read the forum. It smacks to me like a very unprofessional business man throwing his toys out the pram because he can’t get his own way - pot calling kettle ? Bit of a daft comment / argument this. I am assuming you (like me) don’t know the details of the service provided or the lack of payment or what has gone to try and resolve it so maybe a little respect to the poster is needed here. He has still come on here to air his grievances - Has he not told the forum his own personal issues with the club. It’s an observation and not a stupid one or are we not allowed to say anything against this esteemed moderator in response.
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Post by The Equaliser on Jan 28, 2024 11:35:53 GMT
Not sure if I’m the only one thinking this…but the last few years under Wael he managed to stop a lot of the rumours etc coming out, however since the new owners have arrived it appears we have (for want of a better description) loose lips again.
Lots of player transfers, wages, contracts, budgets etc coming out from various sources, feels like we’re back in the Hamer era 🤔
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Post by singupgas on Jan 28, 2024 11:40:43 GMT
From what I have heard. It does seem as if the new owners are trying to do things themselves and have restricted roles of other staff inc.
I would advise them to get people on the board who have worked in football on the board let them have their say.
It would be scary to think we are just filling some roles but they are overruled and not able to do their jobs.
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Post by stapletongas on Jan 28, 2024 11:41:29 GMT
We won yesterday and played well
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