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Post by pirate on Feb 4, 2024 14:46:48 GMT
Ah yes, Ephron Mason-Clark. Why are they constantly able to find these non-league gems? gaschat.co.uk/post/818462Maybe having a Director of Football in experienced operator Barry Fry, a highly-rated head of recruitment in Sam Gaughran and a scouting network, helps?
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 4, 2024 15:18:01 GMT
Discovered just by chance by the sound of things:
"Mason-Clark has made over 150 appearances for the Bees after progressing through their Academy and played against Posh during the pre-season friendly between the two sides at the Hive, catching the eye with a strong performance."
Although what fee did they pay to Barnet, probably more than we would ever gamble on a non league player.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 4, 2024 15:56:13 GMT
Always a summer rebuild at this football club when there is no joined up thinking and succession plans in place. Yes, hopefully that will be changing and as MT seems to have got his way over the coaching staff perhaps his opinion will be given more importance. It is also not helped by the way many, if not most, contracts in the lower leagues are two years with just the occasional three year contract. That can’t help. UTG!
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Post by pirate on Feb 4, 2024 16:05:24 GMT
Discovered just by chance by the sound of things: "Mason-Clark has made over 150 appearances for the Bees after progressing through their Academy and played against Posh during the pre-season friendly between the two sides at the Hive, catching the eye with a strong performance." Although what fee did they pay to Barnet, probably more than we would ever gamble on a non league player. Gaughran had his eye on him for a while and even Darragh liked him, but it wasn't until they saw him impress against them that they felt they had to make a move. They aren't perfect by any means and should have had this lad ( gaschat.co.uk/post/483715 ) in from Worthing for peanuts instead of paying decent money for him from Colchester, but not that they will care too much, because he is doing the business on the pitch and now probably worth 5 times as much as what they did pay for him anyway.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 4, 2024 16:13:31 GMT
Always a summer rebuild at this football club when there is no joined up thinking and succession plans in place. Yes, hopefully that will be changing and as MT seems to have got his way over the coaching staff perhaps his opinion will be given more importance. It is also not helped by the way many, if not most, contracts in the lower leagues are two years with just the occasional three year contract. That can’t help. UTG! Given we seem to change owners every few years there's not much hope for a long term plan. You do wonder what the latest owners are thinking do they have a long term vision or just tart up the Mem, get us promoted and then sell up? Wael basically giving up and handing over the reigns was a bit surprising.
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Post by richie on Feb 5, 2024 7:47:41 GMT
getting a bit bored of hearing about how fantasic Peterborough are;
would love to see Peterborough spend some of that cash they generate actually trying to stay up in the Championship, they get promoted, and then relegated on a whimper every other year. They appear to be content being a big fish in a small pond and their progression over the past 10 years is negligible.
For all their brilliant revenue generation and player scouting they are what 6 places above us.
Yes they make money but why, so DMac doesn't have to put more of his own in > well done to him, they still operate at a loss.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2024 8:00:02 GMT
Imagine the meltdown on here if we lost the Mem to administers and owed a total of £12m to debtors: theathletic.com/4727680/2023/07/29/peterborough-administration-risk/More concerning though is the “material uncertainty” noted by the club’s auditor, who draws attention to the fact Peterborough United have net liabilities of over £12million and “the amount of funding required is uncertain and is dependant upon key assumptions” related to match-day income, player sales and transfer add-on payments
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 5, 2024 9:07:36 GMT
Can you copy and paste the article as it's behind a paywall
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 5, 2024 9:13:20 GMT
getting a bit bored of hearing about how fantasic Peterborough are; would love to see Peterborough spend some of that cash they generate actually trying to stay up in the Championship, they get promoted, and then relegated on a whimper every other year. They appear to be content being a big fish in a small pond and their progression over the past 10 years is negligible. For all their brilliant revenue generation and player scouting they are what 6 places above us. Yes they make money but why, so DMac doesn't have to put more of his own in > well done to him, they still operate at a loss. The problem is the championship rather than P'boro trying to stay in it. You get around £10m in additional pay revenue for being promoted but then you have teams like Bristol City racking up yearly losses of £20m to finish 14th. If your budget is £4-5m in L1 you still have to find another £5m just to latch on to the lower reaches of the midfield. It's a huge ask for a club like us, Rotherham or posh. Even Sheffield W can't manage it. Last time posh went up you could argue that they thought they had a championship striker in JCH but the facts are the disparity between L1 and the champ are huge. Look at when we played Norwich, yes we matched them up for 45-50 mins a game but the quality and ability to break was so much better than us. You're then doing that for 46 games a year so it takes a wholesale change again in the champ, which, if you get relegated will cause a huge loss in L1. If you can simply survive the first year there you have a chance to build.
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Post by percy on Feb 5, 2024 9:24:19 GMT
Looks like Plymouth will comfortably survive this season. Like what they have done over the past couple of seasons. Very comparable to the gas
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 5, 2024 9:27:32 GMT
Looks like Plymouth will comfortably survive this season. Like what they have done over the past couple of seasons. Very comparable to the gas They have got their house in order before getting there with a series of good appointments in Ryan Lowe and Steven Schumacher. Sorted the stadium and training facilities out as well which meant they had a very good playing budget of £5m for their promotion season last year. I'd imagine they would have happily put the full £15m on the table to stay up and spent a fair bit in the summer window on players like Morgan Whittaker who cost £1M +. Something to aspire too for sure.
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 5, 2024 10:02:56 GMT
Looks like Plymouth will comfortably survive this season. Like what they have done over the past couple of seasons. Very comparable to the gas They have got their house in order before getting there with a series of good appointments in Ryan Lowe and Steven Schumacher. Sorted the stadium and training facilities out as well which meant they had a very good playing budget of £5m for their promotion season last year. I'd imagine they would have happily put the full £15m on the table to stay up and spent a fair bit in the summer window on players like Morgan Whittaker who cost £1M +. Something to aspire too for sure. Home Park is one I've long admired aesthetically and wanted us to do similar with the Mem. Capacity is around 17,000 so shows we could do okay without a 20,000+ new build (as much as I'd have liked it) provided we get as close as realistically possible to that 20,000 sweet spot. 'Could' be us in two years or so. 🤞
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Post by yattongas on Feb 5, 2024 10:07:37 GMT
They have got their house in order before getting there with a series of good appointments in Ryan Lowe and Steven Schumacher. Sorted the stadium and training facilities out as well which meant they had a very good playing budget of £5m for their promotion season last year. I'd imagine they would have happily put the full £15m on the table to stay up and spent a fair bit in the summer window on players like Morgan Whittaker who cost £1M +. Something to aspire too for sure. Home Park is one I've long admired aesthetically and wanted us to do similar with the Mem. Capacity is around 17,000 so shows we could do okay without a 20,000+ new build (as much as I'd have liked it) provided we get as close as realistically possible to that 20,000 sweet spot. 'Could' be us in two years or so. 🤞 2 yrs or so ? They better start getting on with the plans then .
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 5, 2024 10:08:43 GMT
Home Park is one I've long admired aesthetically and wanted us to do similar with the Mem. Capacity is around 17,000 so shows we could do okay without a 20,000+ new build (as much as I'd have liked it) provided we get as close as realistically possible to that 20,000 sweet spot. 'Could' be us in two years or so. 🤞 2 yrs or so ? They better start getting on with the plans then . Alright, 3. 😁
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Post by pirate on Feb 5, 2024 10:39:35 GMT
Looks like Plymouth will comfortably survive this season. Like what they have done over the past couple of seasons. Very comparable to the gas They have got their house in order before getting there with a series of good appointments in Ryan Lowe and Steven Schumacher. Sorted the stadium and training facilities out as well which meant they had a very good playing budget of £5m for their promotion season last year. I'd imagine they would have happily put the full £15m on the table to stay up and spent a fair bit in the summer window on players like Morgan Whittaker who cost £1M +. Something to aspire too for sure. Sporting Director - Neil Dewsnip, 30+ years experience with the Football Association and Everton etc Head of Recruitment - Jimmy Dickinson Scouts and Analyst - Charlie Allen, Luke McCormick, Mark Emerson, Stuart Exton All did a wonderful job behind the scenes.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2024 10:56:55 GMT
They have got their house in order before getting there with a series of good appointments in Ryan Lowe and Steven Schumacher. Sorted the stadium and training facilities out as well which meant they had a very good playing budget of £5m for their promotion season last year. I'd imagine they would have happily put the full £15m on the table to stay up and spent a fair bit in the summer window on players like Morgan Whittaker who cost £1M +. Something to aspire too for sure. Sporting Director - Neil Dewsnip, 30+ years experience with the Football Association and Everton etc Head of Recruitment - Jimmy Dickinson Scouts and Analyst - Charlie Allen, Luke McCormick, Mark Emerson, Stuart Exton All did a wonderful job behind the scenes. You do realise all those don't work for free? What's an experienced DoF earn £150K, HoR £100K, Scouts £50K x 4, so that's the best part of £500K whilst we're already losing £3m/£4m and also trying to redevelop the Mem. Plymouth are probably 5 yrs ahead of us ground development/match income wise. It's interesting KB, JM & WC have all only been given 6 months contracts, which suggests even those roles are up for review in the summer, perhaps even more costs cutting if we don't make the play offs??.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 5, 2024 11:04:35 GMT
They have got their house in order before getting there with a series of good appointments in Ryan Lowe and Steven Schumacher. Sorted the stadium and training facilities out as well which meant they had a very good playing budget of £5m for their promotion season last year. I'd imagine they would have happily put the full £15m on the table to stay up and spent a fair bit in the summer window on players like Morgan Whittaker who cost £1M +. Something to aspire too for sure. Sporting Director - Neil Dewsnip, 30+ years experience with the Football Association and Everton etc Head of Recruitment - Jimmy Dickinson Scouts and Analyst - Charlie Allen, Luke McCormick, Mark Emerson, Stuart Exton All did a wonderful job behind the scenes. I hope Luke McCormick doesn't drive to games.
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Post by pirate on Feb 5, 2024 11:13:58 GMT
Sporting Director - Neil Dewsnip, 30+ years experience with the Football Association and Everton etc Head of Recruitment - Jimmy Dickinson Scouts and Analyst - Charlie Allen, Luke McCormick, Mark Emerson, Stuart Exton All did a wonderful job behind the scenes. You do realise all those don't work for free? What's an experienced DoF earn £150K, HoR £100K, Scouts £50K x 4, so that's the best part of £500K whilst we're already losing £3m/£4m and also trying to redevelop the Mem. Plymouth are probably 5 yrs ahead of us ground development/match income wise. It's interesting KB, JM & WC have all only been given 6 months contracts, which suggests even those roles are up for review in the summer, perhaps even more costs cutting if we don't make the play offs??. Your staff sums are way off , but we can always keep doing what we have done and not reach the third tier playoffs for another 27 years. Maybe we lose so much every year because there isn't a coherent long-term plan with joined up thinking and a infrastructure built on sand? Maybe a DoF and recruitment team could increase our player sales revenue with smarter recruitment and generate a better budget? What is clear from 27 years of not even reaching the third tier playoffs, we need to act smarter and do better. Much better.
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 5, 2024 12:17:13 GMT
Sporting Director - Neil Dewsnip, 30+ years experience with the Football Association and Everton etc Head of Recruitment - Jimmy Dickinson Scouts and Analyst - Charlie Allen, Luke McCormick, Mark Emerson, Stuart Exton All did a wonderful job behind the scenes. You do realise all those don't work for free? What's an experienced DoF earn £150K, HoR £100K, Scouts £50K x 4, so that's the best part of £500K whilst we're already losing £3m/£4m and also trying to redevelop the Mem. Plymouth are probably 5 yrs ahead of us ground development/match income wise. It's interesting KB, JM & WC have all only been given 6 months contracts, which suggests even those roles are up for review in the summer, perhaps even more costs cutting if we don't make the play offs??. But if you put all of that structure in place, like Plymouth did and Posh have, and also Brentford and Luton the same, not only do you cover the wages with promotion and player sales but you increase revenue through match days and increased attendances and sponsorship thus you reduce your losses with higher revenues earned. Yes there is a speculative outlay but as Pirate has said, you can either bumble along with a 30 year old model which is no longer serving its purpose and taking you to a ceiling of mid L1 or you can speculate and build something to break through the ceiling and achieve greater things. This is what the new owners have to consider to move us forward imo. The ALQ family inc Wael speny £30m in the last 6 years. Even if we put £3m of that into a scouting network and DOF we could already be generating players and income.
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Post by pirate on Feb 6, 2024 22:05:10 GMT
Should be a busy summer.
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