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Post by adrian301 on Feb 7, 2024 21:36:23 GMT
If we have a flat fizzled out ending to season, it will affect ST sales, as there will be no optimism. If on the other hand we have a barnstorming end to the season, people will want to be a part of something next season.
Difficult to boost ST sales, especially early bird, when there will be no more signings or management changes to get the blood pumping!
We have to finish on a high!
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Post by gashead79 on Feb 7, 2024 21:42:34 GMT
If we have a flat fizzled out ending to season, it will affect ST sales, as there will be no optimism. If on the other hand we have a barnstorming end to the season, people will want to be a part of something next season. Difficult to boost ST sales, especially early bird, when there will be no more signings or management changes to get the blood pumping! We have to finish on a high! What qualifies as finishing on a high? Also, there are many ways to drive ST sales but our club is Dam sh** at it. |
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Post by adrian301 on Feb 7, 2024 22:03:05 GMT
If we have a flat fizzled out ending to season, it will affect ST sales, as there will be no optimism. If on the other hand we have a barnstorming end to the season, people will want to be a part of something next season. Difficult to boost ST sales, especially early bird, when there will be no more signings or management changes to get the blood pumping! We have to finish on a high! What qualifies as finishing on a high? Also, there are many ways to drive ST sales but our club is Dam sh** at it. Scoring goals and winning.... |
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Post by Somersetgas on Feb 7, 2024 22:04:35 GMT
Glad someone else agrees with me on Mr Fitness, that interview last night was a total disgrace, an “experienced” player should at least show interest in the questions. I’d drop him, get Friend in instead, blokes a far better player, if another sick note, but at least plays like he cares. You do wonder why MT sent Wilson out last night given how poor he'd played, usually he sends out a player who'd had a decent game. Although how can you drop a right footer for a left footer? Connolly or Grant are the only fit replacements and those two are even worse than Wilson. Perhaps he sent out the member of the squad who is more dour than himself. |
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Post by gashead79 on Feb 7, 2024 22:07:16 GMT
What qualifies as finishing on a high? Also, there are many ways to drive ST sales but our club is Dam sh** at it. Scoring goals and winning.... How many of the 16 games should we achieve this to finish on a high to boost ST sales? Genuinely interested in this. What difference do you think it will make? |
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 7, 2024 22:08:59 GMT
And Steve I believe Wael Al Qadi would still own this club if Jennings and Barton were never allowed free reign on the till. I can name over 10 fraud signings, I say fraud as I’m convinced people were on the take and back handers but I’m but I’m not going down a bash them thread again. The manager got it wrong last night, quite badly I think. The weather forecast was clear to see, basically bringing a 19 year child was an awful decision over Thomas, we played with 10 men. That midfield needed a battler, Conteh isn’t a thug, we don’t have one when Finley is injured and Grant battles hard as well. It is what it is, a terrible squad with pension pots, sick notes and players simply not up to it. How is that the case ?. We have 8 players contracted beyond this summer the lowest I can ever remember in 40 years . At least Joey didn't sign people like Bennett and blizzard and put them on 3 year contracts. I don't buy this " massive budget " Barton . Most are frees loans or contract up players. Anyway the club made the public statement " we have a top budget " let's see in the summer. We could have the biggest clear out in history as up to 15 will either return or contract end. Are you on glue? He signed Rossiter for one. 17 games he's played for us starting just 10 since 2022. Wilson and Hunt, 34, spent more time out injured than playing. George Friend, 36, 10 starts this season. James Gibbons constantly injured. Scott Sinclair, 35, and disappeared. |
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Post by albaron on Feb 7, 2024 22:17:10 GMT
I can't remember who signed them -- But Blizzard, Bennett, Stephan Payne and Mark Wright were worse than any Barton signed. Payne & Wright were horrible bastards as well.
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Post by Somersetgas on Feb 7, 2024 22:25:53 GMT
If we have a flat fizzled out ending to season, it will affect ST sales, as there will be no optimism. If on the other hand we have a barnstorming end to the season, people will want to be a part of something next season. Difficult to boost ST sales, especially early bird, when there will be no more signings or management changes to get the blood pumping! We have to finish on a high! To be honest, I’m doubting my season ticket, all these cancelled Saturday games moved to Tuesday aren’t ideal, Son with school in the morning and a hour plus drive home after work, let alone the dross that’s been on display this season. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 7, 2024 22:46:35 GMT
How is that the case ?. We have 8 players contracted beyond this summer the lowest I can ever remember in 40 years . At least Joey didn't sign people like Bennett and blizzard and put them on 3 year contracts. I don't buy this " massive budget " Barton . Most are frees loans or contract up players. Anyway the club made the public statement " we have a top budget " let's see in the summer. We could have the biggest clear out in history as up to 15 will either return or contract end. Are you on glue? He signed Rossiter for one. 17 games he's played for us starting just 10 since 2022. Wilson and Hunt, 34, spent more time out injured than playing. George Friend, 36, 10 starts this season. James Gibbons constantly injured. Scott Sinclair, 35, and disappeared. So what criteria are you proposing, that we never sign players over 30 & have never suffered a significant injury? How easy will it be to get those players to move to Bristol when they can stay in the NW or London etc earning similar money? |
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Post by biggles on Feb 7, 2024 23:14:40 GMT
the problem for building next season is the board
please no more loans
if taylor is expected to build a promotion pushing team
give him the resources to do it!
though i can't see it happening.
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 7, 2024 23:26:17 GMT
Are you on glue? He signed Rossiter for one. 17 games he's played for us starting just 10 since 2022. Wilson and Hunt, 34, spent more time out injured than playing. George Friend, 36, 10 starts this season. James Gibbons constantly injured. Scott Sinclair, 35, and disappeared. So what criteria are you proposing, that we never sign players over 30 & have never suffered a significant injury? How easy will it be to get those players to move to Bristol when they can stay in the NW or London etc earning similar money? I wouldnt set an age limit per se but I'd have an appearance limit, like Atkins did. He refused to sign a player that hadn't played a minimum 30 starts a season for 3 consecutive years and it's exactly the correct approach. I think you could take a gamble on 1 or 2 maybe, but I wouldn't put upwards of £15-20k a week into players that haven't had that kind of appearance rate. Example. Wilson has had 15+ years as a pro, has only played a full season 3 times and has an average appearance rate per season of 22 games. And we have signed him to be a first choice centre back! That means we need to sign another first choice centre back in exactly the same mould as him for the other 24 games! That's what swells the squad and takes up budget. It's an utterly bonkers way of operating your squad and allocating your budget. Rossiter has never played more than 16 games in a season since he turned pro in 2014. In 3 years at Rangers he made just 10 appearances and so it continued at Bury and Fleetwood and the kicker is, our previous manager knew he was a sick note when he managed him at Fleetwood! I mean, what makes anyone think he'll suddenly play 40 games for us now?! Occasionally a Billy Bodin might come off for you but as soon as we sold him, he was back amongst the injuries again so we got very lucky there and DC never had him on a long contract until he proved his worth fitness wise. Contrast that to Chris Martin, who at 35 has played full seasons continually at Championship level, scored goals, and has never had any serious injury's. A sensible experienced signing. |
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 7, 2024 23:37:32 GMT
Ward looked just as bad as Cox last night, we need what every other L1 team as, an experienced No 1 with Ward pushing him all season for the No 1 jersey. What deadwood as MT culled, not one player as left apart from the likes of Gibbons who were also going to leave this summer anyway. What did Ward do wrong last night? No blame for the first goal, the second goal Stockley had a free header. The only thing I'd say about the second goal is that the cross was met my Stockley about 5 yrds from goal, you'd possibly expect the keeper to catch or punch that |
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Post by Qatar Gas on Feb 8, 2024 4:58:50 GMT
So what criteria are you proposing, that we never sign players over 30 & have never suffered a significant injury? How easy will it be to get those players to move to Bristol when they can stay in the NW or London etc earning similar money? I wouldnt set an age limit per se but I'd have an appearance limit, like Atkins did. He refused to sign a player that hadn't played a minimum 30 starts a season for 3 consecutive years and it's exactly the correct approach. I think you could take a gamble on 1 or 2 maybe, but I wouldn't put upwards of £15-20k a week into players that haven't had that kind of appearance rate. Example. Wilson has had 15+ years as a pro, has only played a full season 3 times and has an average appearance rate per season of 22 games. And we have signed him to be a first choice centre back! That means we need to sign another first choice centre back in exactly the same mould as him for the other 24 games! That's what swells the squad and takes up budget. It's an utterly bonkers way of operating your squad and allocating your budget. Rossiter has never played more than 16 games in a season since he turned pro in 2014. In 3 years at Rangers he made just 10 appearances and so it continued at Bury and Fleetwood and the kicker is, our previous manager knew he was a sick note when he managed him at Fleetwood! I mean, what makes anyone think he'll suddenly play 40 games for us now?! Occasionally a Billy Bodin might come off for you but as soon as we sold him, he was back amongst the injuries again so we got very lucky there and DC never had him on a long contract until he proved his worth fitness wise. Contrast that to Chris Martin, who at 35 has played full seasons continually at Championship level, scored goals, and has never had any serious injury's. A sensible experienced signing. That's pretty much spot on. Nothing wrong with signing older players if they are generally injury free and often play full seasons, like Martin for example. Of course you are always going to get a freak injury from time to time. Someone who normally plays every game picking up an ACL injury for example. We need a decent (or just anyone) recruitment department to spot more players like Conteh. This should be the DNA of the club. Of course you will need some experienced players as well which you can pick up in the summer for free transfers. Just preferably ones who don't spent more than half the season out injured |
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Post by kampucheagas on Feb 8, 2024 7:13:07 GMT
the problem for building next season is the board please no more loans if taylor is expected to build a promotion pushing team give him the resources to do it! though i can't see it happening. Agree. It’s like a vicious circle which means rebuilding every summer! What chance do we realistically have of signing Vale? Crama? Aguilera? The other 2 you probably won’t want anyway You can’t plan for long term growth if you have almost half your team returning to their clubs at seasons end Plan now to target our own players in the right positions and you can start to mould a team that will stick together Come on Matt, build us a young hungry Bristol Rovers FC Not a BRFC developing players for others FC!! UTG |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2024 7:47:21 GMT
Some good posts on here and I’ve grown quite fond of Somerset’s posting, not that it matters what I think, but balanced, honest and emotive.
All I would is, the manager is a proper no nonsense northerner, he cares and his sides seems to fight. Simply Tuesday night, he picked a bad side in terrible conditions against a side with a new manager bounce and players in, no different to Cogs going to the Kassam and beating Oxford whilst taking us our of relegation.
I would to all, he’s inherited a squad which got its manager the sack, 69% at Burton and lost 4-1, the mind tends to forget stuff.
Now think back to how Exeter played with a poor fan owned budget against us under our manager, was it 4-0 at half time at there place? Get your season tickets, give him a chance, I really think next season could one of those ones like Plymouth did the season before, top half, bang, adding to side, promotion push.
As for Wilson, after that interview, I’m really wondering if he’s the sort to tell the physio, I hand better not risk it this week. That was a bloke in my mind, the afternoon before the game, thinking about the business he’s setting up when he retires soon or had a whisper Plymouth want him back as a coach next season knowing his calf can’t take it anymore!
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 8, 2024 7:57:05 GMT
If that's the case with Wilson surely MT should have realised by now and started with Grant or Connolly it's not like there was no obvious replacement. Although I'm not sure Wilson was fully to blame for either gaol, he seems the latest forum target.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 8, 2024 8:01:37 GMT
the problem for building next season is the board please no more loans if taylor is expected to build a promotion pushing team give him the resources to do it! though i can't see it happening. Agree. It’s like a vicious circle which means rebuilding every summer! What chance do we realistically have of signing Vale? Crama? Aguilera? The other 2 you probably won’t want anyway You can’t plan for long term growth if you have almost half your team returning to their clubs at seasons end Plan now to target our own players in the right positions and you can start to mould a team that will stick together Come on Matt, build us a young hungry Bristol Rovers FC Not a BRFC developing players for others FC!! UTG Without EA would we have ever got promoted and even recently what would the result have been at Exeter without BA's wonder goal? We have to get a happy mix, starting with 5 was madness on Tuesday, what message does that send to Sinclair and Brown etc when Vaughan just walked into the side? It's early days but is he really why better than Ryan Jones? |
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Post by mftc on Feb 8, 2024 9:25:21 GMT
the problem for building next season is the board please no more loans if taylor is expected to build a promotion pushing team give him the resources to do it! though i can't see it happening. Agree. It’s like a vicious circle which means rebuilding every summer! What chance do we realistically have of signing Vale? Crama? Aguilera? The other 2 you probably won’t want anyway You can’t plan for long term growth if you have almost half your team returning to their clubs at seasons end Plan now to target our own players in the right positions and you can start to mould a team that will stick together Come on Matt, build us a young hungry Bristol Rovers FC Not a BRFC developing players for others FC!! UTG Thing is we can hope to sign Vale, Crama and Aguilera again next season, but we're we not happy to get Bogarde again? With young players you don't get consistency and we don't know what goes on in their private lives that can affect performance. Loans are a bit of a risk but I think we needed bodies in just to get us through this season (especially with players with know injury issues) so rather than rush permanent signings the hopefully cheaper loan deals were the way to go this season. I would have thought that Vaughan may have been the one with one eye to sign long term, so it is up to him to settle in (let's face it, a week to sort out digs, train 3 times and be brilliant on the pitch is no time for the lad). |
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 8, 2024 9:36:28 GMT
the problem for building next season is the board please no more loans if taylor is expected to build a promotion pushing team give him the resources to do it! though i can't see it happening. Why no more loans? The premier league and Championship academies sign and hoard the very talent that 25 years ago league clubs would sign and make money on. So now we have to loan those players and having them with us should compliment and benefit our squad. Remember that you can only play 5 loans and have 6 loans in a squad of 22 so there is plenty of scope to sign and develop our own players. Which is why it comes back to my original point (and roadys point) about older and injury ravaged signings and having to sign players to cover them off or with no developmental opportunities. I'm willing to bet we have wasted, in the last 3 years alone, at least £500k on players like Wilson, Rossiter etc, money which could have gone into a proper scouting network as well as identifying much better players than them. It's also worth considering that Every side has loans in our division and every side in the top six has 4-5 loans except Pboro who have 3. However P'boro are the only side in the top six with a decent recruitment model where they are consistently eyeing, signing and transferring players for good sums of money. The notion that loans aren't beneficial to any squad and hinder a promotion push just isn't true as is the notion that we can bumble along without a proper footballing developmental department. |
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Feb 8, 2024 9:51:18 GMT
Always a summer rebuild at this football club when there is no joined up thinking and succession plans in place. Exactly this. Until we get some cohesion and a semblance of a plan off the pitch, everything on it will continue being fuzzy and short term. The whole JB mess is a perfect example of how badly organised we are off the pitch. We gave him the keys to the entire castle, the men at the helm (namely TG and Wael) quite literally let him do whatever they wanted. He brought in an entire backroom team and built the club in his image. This is a man who had a proven track record of implosion. Anyone with half a brain could see how it was going to end with him, despite short term success. We have now almost accidentally stumbled across a good manager in MT. A manager whom I am certain if he had the right people around him will lead us in the right direction. However, without any football men at the club above him we will continue to stumble on. I am pleased that we have now added some bodies to the background staff and I think they are really good fits for the club. However, what we still really need is some clarity as to what is going on above them. What is the situation with TG? Assuming he is still in position then what is his day to day involvement? Wael we know is no longer the majority shareholder, but he is clearly still involved,so in what capacity? Is it purely a presidential type role where he has no direct involvement with the running of the club? That is how it feels from the outside looking in at least. The new owner seems to want to stay out of the limelight choosing rather to tweak things quietly in the background and rein in spending. Fine, someone needs to do it, but someone also needs to actually steer the ship from a footballing POV and at the moment I have no idea who is doing that. In any successful business you need management structure. I fear we don't have that and if we do it certainly has not been communicated to the fans. MT is a young manager who would benefit from a DoF in my opinion. Not only do we not have one of those at present, but I do not believe we have any 'football people' at all on the board at present. That needs to change. |
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