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Post by eric on Feb 2, 2024 13:33:58 GMT
Let's all just see what happens before we start slating the new additions. Give them a bit of slack until we can physically see with our own eyes what they bring to the table. I'm a little disappointed but sh** happens and you never know it maybe turn out to be good for us! Just my humble opinion so please don't attack me in any replies! I don’t think it’s a case of slating the new signings as individuals. They all look good players but it’s merely sticking plasters to get us through a season which the club/owners have already written off. I doubt any of them will be back next season and we will be left with a huge rebuild - there doesn’t seem to be much long term planning or ambition. Very disappointing.
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Post by madgas on Feb 2, 2024 13:35:06 GMT
I sit somewhere in between...
I don't mind selling collins. I don't mind signing kids. I don't mind loan signings. I don't mind letting some leave.
My problem is with strategy and execution. No one will convince me the strategy was to luck out in the final hour of the window. I hope (and think) we might have.
There's no way to connect the dots to understand the plan. I don't blame taylor, I'm quite fond of him. The board come across as too reactive, moving on the fly. I think they've done well with backs to the wall but better planning would make far stronger club.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Feb 2, 2024 13:35:59 GMT
Let's all just see what happens before we start slating the new additions. Give them a bit of slack until we can physically see with our own eyes what they bring to the table. I'm a little disappointed but sh** happens and you never know it maybe turn out to be good for us! Just my humble opinion so please don't attack me in any replies! I don’t think it’s a case of slating the new signings as individuals. They all look good players but it’s merely sticking plasters to get us through a season which the club/owners have already written off. I doubt any of them will be back next season and we will be left with a huge rebuild - there doesn’t seem to be much long term planning or ambition. Very disappointing. Can I just point out that without loan signing Elliot Anderson we'd still be in League two.
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Post by eric on Feb 2, 2024 13:42:04 GMT
I don’t think it’s a case of slating the new signings as individuals. They all look good players but it’s merely sticking plasters to get us through a season which the club/owners have already written off. I doubt any of them will be back next season and we will be left with a huge rebuild - there doesn’t seem to be much long term planning or ambition. Very disappointing. Can I just point out that without loan signing Elliot Anderson we'd still be in League two. EA came in when promotion was still within our grasp. I’m not sure those coming in now have anything to achieve other than getting themselves some experience and benefitting their parent club. For us we’re just filling holes in a squad to get us through to the summer and the next rebuild.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 2, 2024 13:42:51 GMT
Good op and title.
Remember what recently happened when we sold Lambo and JCH, our best players, and never replaced them?
Just saying...
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Post by percy on Feb 2, 2024 14:12:33 GMT
I am not as positive a person as I may appear on here (just ask my wife!) but I feel like some of the over the top negativity needs some balance!
If we had got either Ennis or Knibbs as well as the 3 loans, dont think anyone could say we had given up on the season. Ok, that failed but we still have some good games and exciting players to watch over the next few months. Enjoy it, life is short.
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 2, 2024 14:15:23 GMT
Good op and title. Remember what recently happened when we sold Lambo and JCH, our best players, and never replaced them? Just saying... Collins hasn't been our best player this season and we won on Saturday without him. He needs to be replaced long term, but short term we have replaced him with loans. You never know, we might end up signing some of those loans for next season if they do well. We signed Thomas, Connolly and Taylor after they did well on loan and we brought back Bogarde, although he didn't do that will this time. Most clubs do this. Plymouth won the league last season with a lot of loan players. They signed two of them on permanents and brought another back on loan again. They turned down a high bid from Lazio for one of them a few days a go! It's hard to say if we are stronger or weaker after this window, until we see the players play.
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Post by timsburygas on Feb 2, 2024 14:18:26 GMT
What do people expect, they moan about ticket cost and then moan the club doesn't spend all its money during a January transfer window. When was the last time Rovers a had a squad with 3 current internationals in it ? should be fun to watch these lads over the coming weeks to see how they progress. The loanees may even like it and decide to stay like Taylor, Connelly, Thomas etc who all came in as loans to start with.
Could be worse, that great recruitment team at Aldershot have added James Daley, to go with Theo Widdrington, Cian Harris, Jordi Van Stappershoef, Zain Walker (out on Loan) Josh Barrett and Rollin Menayese.
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Post by pirate on Feb 2, 2024 14:30:31 GMT
What do people expect, they moan about ticket cost and then moan the club doesn't spend all its money during a January transfer window. When was the last time Rovers a had a squad with 3 current internationals in it ? should be fun to watch these lads over the coming weeks to see how they progress. The loanees may even like it and decide to stay like Taylor, Connelly, Thomas etc who all came in as loans to start with. Could be worse, that great recruitment team at Aldershot have added James Daley, to go with Theo Widdrington, Cian Harris, Jordi Van Stappershoef, Zain Walker (out on Loan) Josh Barrett and Rollin Menayese. That recruitment team are taking a team predicted to be relegated into one that is playing some of most exciting football in the NL and currently sit in the playoff zone. In the summer they also recruited a lad for peanuts from the 8th tier and sold him on for relatively big money to City in the 2nd tier. Doing a wonderful job.
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Post by richie on Feb 2, 2024 14:40:54 GMT
What do people expect, they moan about ticket cost and then moan the club doesn't spend all its money during a January transfer window. When was the last time Rovers a had a squad with 3 current internationals in it ? should be fun to watch these lads over the coming weeks to see how they progress. The loanees may even like it and decide to stay like Taylor, Connelly, Thomas etc who all came in as loans to start with. Could be worse, that great recruitment team at Aldershot have added James Daley, to go with Theo Widdrington, Cian Harris, Jordi Van Stappershoef, Zain Walker (out on Loan) Josh Barrett and Rollin Menayese. That recruitment team are taking a team predicted to be relegated into one that is playing some of most exciting football in the NL and currently sit in the playoff zone. In the summer they also recruited a lad for peanuts from the 8th tier and sold him on for relatively big money to City in the 2nd tier. Doing a wonderful job. Signing this many former players probably highlights the limitations of TW's network of contacts. Just a few years ago that team would be starting in League 1, NL playoffs feels along way back now. All those players should in theory be at a higher level given their experience, not sure why it hasnt worked out for so many of the same former Rovers team
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 2, 2024 14:48:03 GMT
What do people expect, they moan about ticket cost and then moan the club doesn't spend all its money during a January transfer window. When was the last time Rovers a had a squad with 3 current internationals in it ? should be fun to watch these lads over the coming weeks to see how they progress. The loanees may even like it and decide to stay like Taylor, Connelly, Thomas etc who all came in as loans to start with. Could be worse, that great recruitment team at Aldershot have added James Daley, to go with Theo Widdrington, Cian Harris, Jordi Van Stappershoef, Zain Walker (out on Loan) Josh Barrett and Rollin Menayese. That recruitment team are taking a team predicted to be relegated into one that is playing some of most exciting football in the NL and currently sit in the playoff zone. In the summer they also recruited a lad for peanuts from the 8th tier and sold him on for relatively big money to City in the 2nd tier. Doing a wonderful job. Great squad for National League level then. It was the polar opposite at League One level.
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Post by pirate on Feb 2, 2024 14:49:26 GMT
That recruitment team are taking a team predicted to be relegated into one that is playing some of most exciting football in the NL and currently sit in the playoff zone. In the summer they also recruited a lad for peanuts from the 8th tier and sold him on for relatively big money to City in the 2nd tier. Doing a wonderful job. Signing this many former players probably highlights the limitations of TW's network of contacts. Just a few years ago that team would be starting in League 1, NL playoffs feels along way back now. All those players should in theory be at a higher level given their experience, not sure why it hasnt worked out for so many of the same former Rovers team No, it highlights the limitations of his bottom 3 or 4 budget. What a remarkable job being done there 👏
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Feb 2, 2024 15:01:06 GMT
Good op and title. Remember what recently happened when we sold Lambo and JCH, our best players, and never replaced them? Just saying... Yes but there are also contrary examples. I was thrilled week in and week out by Barry Hayles, whilst he was still here we signed a young forward who hardly got game time and looked a poor imitation. We were forced to sell Hayles by the colour of Fulham’s money and that young forward stepped up to eventually be worth as much as Hayles was in the transfer market. That was Jason Roberts and I have no doubt that having Hayles and Ipoua about cramped his style. Not saying the circumstances are exactly the same but maybe now we might see Jevani Brown step up to the plate. Another disappointing departure was Gary Penrice. I thought that might stall our promotion push but we signed a Stoke reserve being stifled at right back and gave him a role that suited him better…Carl Saunders, who is to say that Vaughan or Aguilera might make a similar impact in their time here? You never know what is round the corner. If MT is the right appointment he may get this assorted band of experienced pros and youthful loanees singing from the same hymn sheet and we might see some decent football from now until the end of the season.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 2, 2024 15:27:31 GMT
Good op and title. Remember what recently happened when we sold Lambo and JCH, our best players, and never replaced them? Just saying... Yes but there are also contrary examples. I was thrilled week in and week out by Barry Hayles, whilst he was still here we signed a young forward who hardly got game time and looked a poor imitation. We were forced to sell Hayles by the colour of Fulham’s money and that young forward stepped up to eventually be worth as much as Hayles was in the transfer market. That was Jason Roberts and I have no doubt that having Hayles and Ipoua about cramped his style. Not saying the circumstances are exactly the same but maybe now we might see Jevani Brown step up to the plate. Another disappointing departure was Gary Penrice. I thought that might stall our promotion push but we signed a Stoke reserve being stifled at right back and gave him a role that suited him better…Carl Saunders, who is to say that Vaughan or Aguilera might make a similar impact in their time here? You never know what is round the corner. If MT is the right appointment he may get this assorted band of experienced pros and youthful loanees singing from the same hymn sheet and we might see some decent football from now until the end of the season. Nice post... Like the BH memories but that's exactly my point, replacement was discovered. Same with Penny. I don't see that atm, and as much as the thread will weave MT in and out, he's new and needs to be given time, too early to judge. AC was our best player, in terms of value probably only CT has a similar figure demand, no one else of our squad is worth what he was. We need a replacement, it might be a natural emerging (step up Jervani) but we need a replacement or we have been warned before what could happen.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Feb 2, 2024 15:37:25 GMT
I sit somewhere in between... I don't mind selling collins. I don't mind signing kids. I don't mind loan signings. I don't mind letting some leave. My problem is with strategy and execution. No one will convince me the strategy was to luck out in the final hour of the window. I hope (and think) we might have. There's no way to connect the dots to understand the plan. I don't blame taylor, I'm quite fond of him. The board come across as too reactive, moving on the fly. I think they've done well with backs to the wall but better planning would make far stronger club. I don’t think it’s anything to do with Taylor, cos from what I’ve seen & heard so far he’s probably the right man for the job, currently; I just don’t believe the new owners have any kind of coherent plan to take us onward and upward. They may well be great at sorting out real estate, but I don’t think they have the first idea about running a football club in the EFL.
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Post by BrightonGas on Feb 2, 2024 15:41:17 GMT
My good friend you do realise this shower of poo don't have a pot to water in, every penny they get is to pay long outstanding invoices etc. forget about building a team, more about survival of the club So they are using revenue to pay invoices, that's no way to run a business...no wait, maybe that's wrong!
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 2, 2024 15:45:31 GMT
My good friend you do realise this shower of poo don't have a pot to water in, every penny they get is to pay long outstanding invoices etc. forget about building a team, more about survival of the club So they are using revenue to pay invoices, that's no way to run a business...no wait, maybe that's wrong! Henbury just makes it up to suit the agenda, I'd just ignore whatever he posts.
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Post by DrFaustus on Feb 2, 2024 15:50:04 GMT
I'm pointing at disappointed angry people, but that's par for the course living in BS3.
Average player sold? Check. Couldn't give a hoot about him or Bolton? Check. Exciting looking loan signings? Check.
Possibility of getting some Costa Rican milfs at the Mem before season end? Sexist, vacuous Check.
Result all round. 🏴☠️🇨🇷
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Post by xenongas on Feb 2, 2024 15:51:03 GMT
The nature of the league means loans are inevitable. Every team in the league has at least 4 (according to this www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-one/leihspieler/wettbewerb/GB3/saison_id/2023/leihe/war/plus/1). As long as there are no funky clauses it makes sense to bolster your team with players from the league above. I don't get the outrage. I agree having permanent players is preferable but 2 of our longest serving players (Finley and Evans) have gone through a yearly cycle of being written off then eulogised since they've been here. So in 6 months time disappointment and anger will probably be hope and excitement. Then of course next January you'll have gone full circle back to anger.
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Post by gassince1957 on Feb 2, 2024 15:51:04 GMT
Sorry but not happy, we sell Collins and bring in three loan signings until end of season why ? what is the point ? all young players with little or no league experience, they will go back to their clubs and we will have to have yet another reset, which will mean yet another season of adjusting etc etc, loan signings are not the way to build a team for the future, and now desperately short up front, Oh well sure our new owners know what they are doing, Oh to be a Gashead eh !! Remember similar comments when we signed JCH and Elliot Anderson! Who know, maybe a fresh look and high energy will result in a rapid rise up the league. Maybe not, but Azza hasn't really been near his best this season and there was no indication he would have improved in the next three months or so, so I believe selling him was the right choice, although his contribution to the club over the least 3 seasons has been remarkable overall.
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