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Post by popuppirate on Feb 10, 2024 18:57:51 GMT
I'm sure you just said the players were good enough though, just not trying enough. Apologies if that wasn't you. If that is the case then the players need to take some responsibility for their performances and attitude. Taylor only has so many players to include in a squad and some of the individual performances were poor, again. Are you really suggesting we should change manager, at this point, again ? Last point first. No I am not suggesting that. Taylor needs time to shape a squad and put his mark on it. He also needs reassurance that he has that time. Yeah, I agree that players should take responsibility. However, we have a manager with a whip on the sideline plus coaches. They get paid to organise, instruct and motivate. What are we witnessing? Even genuinely poor players should play to 100% effort with a semblance of organisation and motivation. Or no? We've had 3 managers in a short space of time, all 3 have managed some decent performances and some awful performances. The common factor is the players. It's the same issue again but without Collins to provide assists. |
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Post by 1950gas on Feb 10, 2024 18:59:30 GMT
Can’t excuse that performance . Heads should roles for that sh**e . Fleetwood and Burton we have to be kidding. Bristol is a major city and can support 2 top teams . I hate the sh**e but suffer badly when I watch that game
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Post by olskooltoteender on Feb 10, 2024 18:59:47 GMT
We and Matt are learning so much about this squad of players. Many have been given a chance today to impress and just maybe not taken their opportunity. We have some talent not available today and when they are I’m sure we play better. Time for cool heads, for sure, but today has not been a performance we need to see, whatever the final result. I get the feeling that MT isn't going to get the time Barton had from the fans. Many Barton fans want him gone already. Rovers fans have certainly changed. Doesn’t make a scrap of difference does it? It’s down to what our esteemed owners want, you know, the ones that failed to get us a striker . . . |
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Post by gashead79 on Feb 10, 2024 19:05:05 GMT
Last point first. No I am not suggesting that. Taylor needs time to shape a squad and put his mark on it. He also needs reassurance that he has that time. Yeah, I agree that players should take responsibility. However, we have a manager with a whip on the sideline plus coaches. They get paid to organise, instruct and motivate. What are we witnessing? Even genuinely poor players should play to 100% effort with a semblance of organisation and motivation. Or no? We've had 3 managers in a short space of time, all 3 have managed some decent performances and some awful performances. The common factor is the players. It's the same issue again but without Collins to provide assists. Common factor? It's different players🤷♂️ We're an average side in an average division with a new manager. He is not motivating the players. It's OK to disagree. You blame the players, that's fine by me. I look at the manager because it's 8 or 9 of them below par which is a strong signal. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Feb 10, 2024 19:05:22 GMT
I get the feeling that MT isn't going to get the time Barton had from the fans. Many Barton fans want him gone already. Rovers fans have certainly changed. Doesn’t make a scrap of difference does it? It’s down to what our esteemed owners want, you know, the ones that failed to get us a striker . . . Incredible really that since the Loft departure we banked nearly £1 million on strikers and redistributed zero on strikers. Then the Anti Barton fans say ' we ain't good enough '. Work that out ?. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 10, 2024 19:06:52 GMT
Take it back and swap it for one that’s been cremated a little more evenly and has a better quantity of paper melted in to it? 😁 I feel it could definitely have been a little more well done👌🏻😄 Would have been funny to take it back and ask them to cook it for a few more minutes either side 😅 |
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 10, 2024 19:11:27 GMT
We've had 3 managers in a short space of time, all 3 have managed some decent performances and some awful performances. The common factor is the players. It's the same issue again but without Collins to provide assists. Common factor? It's different players🤷♂️ We're an average side in an average division with a new manager. He is not motivating the players. It's OK to disagree. You blame the players, that's fine by me. I look at the manager because it's 8 or 9 of them below par which is a strong signal. Of course it's fine to disagree. Most of those players played for all 3 managers though, it's still mostly Barton players in the squad. They know the season is over too and many of them can't cope with physical opponents that are the bread and butter of this league. |
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Post by gasbaggio on Feb 10, 2024 19:21:23 GMT
Common factor? It's different players🤷♂️ We're an average side in an average division with a new manager. He is not motivating the players. It's OK to disagree. You blame the players, that's fine by me. I look at the manager because it's 8 or 9 of them below par which is a strong signal. Of course it's fine to disagree. Most of those players played for all 3 managers though, it's still mostly Barton players in the squad. They know the season is over too and many of them can't cope with physical opponents that are the bread and butter of this league. I don’t think the season is over. On Tuesday and todays performances, we could easily be dragged into a relegation battle unfortunately. |
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Post by eric on Feb 10, 2024 19:24:42 GMT
I feel it could definitely have been a little more well done👌🏻😄 Would have been funny to take it back and ask them to cook it for a few more minutes either side 😅 You’d have to hope one of the humourless, sour faced, un-customer focused twerps was actually awake and not on the phone first. |
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Post by returnofthedust on Feb 10, 2024 19:31:10 GMT
We've had 3 managers in a short space of time, all 3 have managed some decent performances and some awful performances. The common factor is the players. It's the same issue again but without Collins to provide assists. Common factor? It's different players🤷♂️ We're an average side in an average division with a new manager. He is not motivating the players. It's OK to disagree. You blame the players, that's fine by me. I look at the manager because it's 8 or 9 of them below par which is a strong signal. They aren’t having him. This was the risk of letting their mate Mangan build a body of work. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2024 19:31:53 GMT
Of course it's fine to disagree. Most of those players played for all 3 managers though, it's still mostly Barton players in the squad. They know the season is over too and many of them can't cope with physical opponents that are the bread and butter of this league. I don’t think the season is over. On Tuesday and todays performances, we could easily be dragged into a relegation battle unfortunately. Well he has just told every other team we can't handle a physical battle. Stevenage and Northampton next. Know whats coming in those two. |
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Post by holmesgas1 on Feb 10, 2024 19:37:26 GMT
And how would you know that ? I have working eyes and ears. To me he knows what to do. Though we need to get to safety and close season to change the squad some. What he said is factual reality as we have been losing to the bottom teams ever since we got back to League one. Barton thought he could Man City our way out of league 1 and we all got a little sucked into it. The trouble especially on a winter pitch they are not cut out for it. Add in the injuries and you have a recipe for disaster. Now if we are in this position this time next year I will agree with you, but miles too quick to be judgemental now. Remember it took Barton just under a year to get us moving in the right direction, plus a phone call to Newcastle. |
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Post by socrates on Feb 10, 2024 19:38:57 GMT
Taylor has taken a squad built for possession football and is trying to turn them into a long ball team. Too many hopeful long balls giving the receiving player far too much to do to win it and keep. We lose the ball and the opposition are coming back at us with it. Add to that giving the ball away cheap even when we do play a short game and there you pretty much have the root of our problem, we just don’t keep possession well enough. It’s pretty awful to watch. Tempo is key. Whenever we’ve played with a quick tempo this season we’ve done well, when we play that awful slow football the oppo get back and we’re crap. And that’s under Barton , Mangan and Taylor. We had a few games under Barton where we moved it quickly - Wigan , portvale spring to mind , under Taylor Portsmouth , Charlton Oxford and Bolton we were quick and direct not giving them chance to regroup. Under Mangan we moved it quickly in every game apart from reading where for some reason we played some of the slowest football this season and I think we scraped a point hence he’s the one with the best PPG out of the three. On Tuesday and in the first 60 mins today if we’d been any slower with our passing and movement we’d have gone back in time. I disagree with those saying we hoofed it today, in fact it was slow , short passing slow movement trying to work our way through the pitch but we didn’t move the players or the ball quickly enough. We did launch it a bit in the final 10 but the majority of today was like Tuesday just on a better pitch. If anyone can prove me wrong regarding winning a game this season playing a slow tempo game then please do because to me it’s very clear what works and what doesn’t at this level. Just a shame that Barton and now Taylor can’t seem to see it. Mangan did I think but he’s history now. |
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Feb 10, 2024 19:42:28 GMT
Just listened to Taylors interview, sounds like he wants players who play on the front foot. Probably a throw back to Bartons style of play, but its plain to see we don't have the players to do this and or the players don't want to play that way. Seems like we are swinging from one extreme to another? Painfully obvious we were never going to get anything today with that team. Bartons style of football didn't work, no adverse to front foot football but it's going to be a dreadful run in. First aim 50 points, then back the manager, going to cost some serious money as we need at least three strikers, a different style of midfielder and defender. Probably looking at a 75% new squad.
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Post by socrates on Feb 10, 2024 19:46:00 GMT
Just listened to Taylors interview, sounds like he wants players who play on the front foot. Probably a throw back to Bartons style of play, but its plain to see we don't have the players to do this and or the players don't want to play that way. Seems like we are swinging from one extreme to another? Painfully obvious we were never going to get anything today with that team. Bartons style of football didn't work, no adverse to front foot football but it's going to be a dreadful run in. First aim 50 points, then back the manager, going to cost some serious money as we need at least three strikers, a different style of midfielder and defender. Probably looking at a 75% new squad. I hope we’re aiming for more than 50 points. With 50 in league 1 it’s probably 50/50 you’ll stay up / go down. 53 will keep us up. |
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Post by singupgas on Feb 10, 2024 19:50:05 GMT
I have working eyes and ears. To me he knows what to do. Though we need to get to safety and close season to change the squad some. What he said is factual reality as we have losing to the bottom teams ever since we got back to League one. Barton thought he could Man City our way out of league 1 and we all got a little sucked into it. The trouble especially on a winter pitch they are not cut out for it. Add in the injuries and you have a recipe for disaster. Now if we are in this position this time next year I will agree with you, but miles too quick to be judgemental now. Remember it took Barton just under a year to get us moving in the right direction, plus a phone call to Newcastle. Don't really understand stand, we have won 2 in 8. The football we are playing now, is nothing like Joey's style of play. I would rather we did a pass the ball around, but move it with some speed. What I saw today was slow, get the ball to fall backs who kick the ball long and that was it. There is nothing wrong with the passing game, it doesn't work however if you have players who don't always want the ball. Watching Aguilera you can see he trains with Prem players, he gets himself into space and often chases back. There is a clip of Pep saying it, he doesn't mind players making mistakes, the worse thing is players who don't want the ball. I would applaud MT if he was on the touchline giving it some demanding more from the players, no good and probably far more damaging saying we are sh**e in a post match interview. |
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Post by CheshireGas on Feb 10, 2024 19:55:04 GMT
We've had 3 managers in a short space of time, all 3 have managed some decent performances and some awful performances. The common factor is the players. It's the same issue again but without Collins to provide assists. Common factor? It's different players🤷♂️ We're an average side in an average division with a new manager. He is not motivating the players. It's OK to disagree. You blame the players, that's fine by me. I look at the manager because it's 8 or 9 of them below par which is a strong signal. That game today was no different to when we lost at Accrington last season, and Barton spent the last 20 minutes of the game sulking. For the last few seasons we have had nice tippy tappy footballers who play well against good footballing sides. But as MT can see we can't raise our against against physical, horrible sides. It was the same last season as this. They seem to hate the physicality and back off from getting stuck in. They can't play against sides that use nous rather than skill. They are literally bullied off the park. Injuries to Finlay and others and Martin not playing hasn't helped. We need to get some solid, fearless players who aren't afraid to get stuck in and lead from the front against horrible sides. That's the way it has to be done sadly in this League. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 10, 2024 19:57:06 GMT
I don’t get this gaschat fact of Taylor not being interested. Stood behind the dugout he was far from sulking. Encouraging the players as best as he could.
Far more vocal than JB ever was.
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Post by bidefordgas on Feb 10, 2024 19:58:48 GMT
The sooner Grant & Gordon leave the club the better Grant clearly awful in defence and Gordon just does nothing. Totally agree and Burton clearly knew it. Both of them were a total embarassment, they should be ashamed to call themselves professional footballers. |
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Post by CheshireGas on Feb 10, 2024 20:02:00 GMT
To me he knows what to do. Though we need to get to safety and close season to change the squad some. What he said is factual reality as we have losing to the bottom teams ever since we got back to League one. Barton thought he could Man City our way out of league 1 and we all got a little sucked into it. The trouble especially on a winter pitch they are not cut out for it. Add in the injuries and you have a recipe for disaster. Now if we are in this position this time next year I will agree with you, but miles too quick to be judgemental now. Remember it took Barton just under a year to get us moving in the right direction, plus a phone call to Newcastle. Don't really understand stand, we have won 2 in 8. The football we are playing now, is nothing like Joey's style of play. I would rather we did a pass the ball around, but move it with some speed. What I saw today was slow, get the ball to fall backs who kick the ball long and that was it. There is nothing wrong with the passing game, it doesn't work however if you have players who don't always want the ball. Watching Aguilera you can see he trains with Prem players, he gets himself into space and often chases back. There is a clip of Pep saying it, he doesn't mind players making mistakes, the worse thing is players who don't want the ball. I would applaud MT if he was on the touchline giving it some demanding more from the players, no good and probably far more damaging saying we are sh**e in a post match interview. We had games in the latter stages of Barton's reign where we played lovely football, 65% possession and NO SHOTS ON GOAL. If that's what you like, fair play to you. MT tried to get more speed out of them in his initial games and it seemed to work. Injuries have forced us to play players who don't seem to grasp the basics and hate the more physical side of the game. But we seem to have been like that for a while. MT is going have to work on the psychology as well as the physicality of our side as at the moment they seem physically and mentally fragile. |
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