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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Feb 12, 2024 19:09:44 GMT
Upon taking the helm, we quickly discovered that the developer involved in the previous stadium development plans at the fruit market site chose not to proceed further with the project I thought we pulled out as the deal wasnt right? So it was conygar that pulled the plug then?? That is what I picked up on , he alluded to that in the RB interview. |
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Post by trevorgas on Feb 12, 2024 19:17:31 GMT
3 years to the Championship tells me we are not spending big and quick to get up there, it also tells me last season top 8 budget is being reduced. Its clear to me this is now a process of getting costs down, like Wenger at Arsenal paying off the Emirates, our money is going on the Mem and they have a manager who accepts a low budget like at Exeter. If you wanted Championship football asap, you’d be bank rolling a top 6 budget, minimum play off push. They want the ground ready first for the Championship, this is fine, good business plan but don’t expect a promotion side next season. And 3 years to the Championship, you need to stabilise first and Peterborough, Rotherham and Wigan can tell you all this. His Premiership statement sounds over a decade off now and doing it in a done up 16,000 stadium. They ain’t got real football money, sack Taylor and whoever comes in has to be an overachiever, same old Bristol Rovers. *Just been told as well, season tickets are announced very soon. I think some need to realise we have a manager who is accepting rag bag Bristol Rovers, focus on Quarters, academy, and player sales to trade. There's a bit missing here from your post,we are losing upwards of £3m a year and that to any business is unsustainable,yet you would like the owners to pump in more money in the hope we get promoted,I don't see that as logical. Personally I would rather we had e financially sustainable club that is t reliant on someone's charity to keep us afloat,the alternative is a sh.t or bust gamble with no guarantee of success as proven by many clubs who have tried before and it's ended in tears |
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Post by richie on Feb 12, 2024 19:19:14 GMT
Talk is cheap, I’m interested to see how the summer pans out. To be fair they have delivered on the ground so far but so many players will be released it’s how they will be replaced.
My concern is that it takes us an age to get anyone in through the door as we wait for “value” but just once I’d live to get some decent players in early doors
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 12, 2024 19:19:26 GMT
Upon taking the helm, we quickly discovered that the developer involved in the previous stadium development plans at the fruit market site chose not to proceed further with the project I thought we pulled out as the deal wasnt right? So it was conygar that pulled the plug then?? Pretty certain in his RB interview he suggested that they pulled out as they couldn't get an agreement and the plans were going nowhere, not that CI had pulled out. |
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Post by wallywalters on Feb 12, 2024 19:22:26 GMT
Upon taking the helm, we quickly discovered that the developer involved in the previous stadium development plans at the fruit market site chose not to proceed further with the project I thought we pulled out as the deal wasnt right? So it was conygar that pulled the plug then?? Pretty certain in his RB interview he suggested that they pulled out as they couldn't get an agreement and the plans were going nowhere, not that CI had pulled out. Now it seems we're allowed to talk about it after nearly 5 wasted years might be worth a reporter clarifying that with the owners. Did we pull the plug or conygar. |
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Post by heartofgas on Feb 12, 2024 19:24:39 GMT
It's nice to get some communication and updates with a clear timeline. Will be nice to see what the plans are to take us to 16K
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Post by olskooltoteender on Feb 12, 2024 19:28:33 GMT
It's a nothing letter without anything of substance. Talk is cheap. How do we expect to build a "competitive first team" when we don't have any scouting or recruitment support staff? Unbelievable it hasn't been addressed yet. "We are committed to providing Matt with full backing and the resources needed to make this vision a reality". As always at this football club, I'll believe it when I see it! “full backing” - that’s what we call a part-time asst manager and no scouting network now, is it? |
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Post by singupgas on Feb 12, 2024 19:35:39 GMT
It's nice to get some communication and updates with a clear timeline. Will be nice to see what the plans are to take us to 16K We aren't far off that. If we ever did achieve Championship football, think we fill 16k every week. Was hoping for at least 20K. I can't see us ever moving from the Mem site.. So seems little shortsighted. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2024 19:37:25 GMT
Season Ticket sales will be one of the lowest for many a season. Reduction rather then a increase will be needed to stop the drift towards live streaming of games at home rather then the third world set up at the mem for crazy matchday prices and lack of modern facilities
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Post by wallywalters on Feb 12, 2024 19:45:30 GMT
It's nice to get some communication and updates with a clear timeline. Will be nice to see what the plans are to take us to 16K We aren't far off that. If we ever did achieve Championship football, think we fill 16k every week. Was hoping for at least 20K. I can't see us ever moving from the Mem site.. So seems little shortsighted. We wouldn't get no where near 16k in the champ. I don't understand where people think our hidden fan base will be returning from. Our fan base is dwindling not growing. We'd be lucky to get 12k in the champ and that includes the huge away followings. Previous poster hit the nail on the head re season ticket sales next season they will be around the 4k mark the lowest for a number of years imo. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 12, 2024 19:48:06 GMT
It was Barton who said we were coming for the Red half, it’s Hussain who publicly said we are going for the Premiership, not us fans. I am tired of the statements, the evolution stuff, FM Site videos, now 3 years to the Championship, why not 5 years? It’s just number plucked from the air. If Gloucestershire County Cricket move to a new fantastic facility, it’s us left in the done up Carlisle ground. How does anyone really think this is going to make us a premiership chasing side. I don’t p**s on anyone’s chips, I will be getting my ST regardless of using this as a promotion the soon announcement on this. The sh** were the same when they sacked Pearson with Lansdown Jr/Tinnion saying they should be a top 6 club. Both sets of owners come out with this nonsense without the evidence to back up that they are providing the manager with the backing to achieve this. Both clubs set their managers up to fail. The same sh** is recycled every season. As you posted earlier the evidence will be in the summer when we see who signs for the club, I'm as cynical as the rest but apart from publishing their bank accounts or telling us precisely how much MT will be given to spend I'm not sure what evidence they can supply? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 12, 2024 19:50:33 GMT
We aren't far off that. If we ever did achieve Championship football, think we fill 16k every week. Was hoping for at least 20K. I can't see us ever moving from the Mem site.. So seems little shortsighted. We wouldn't get no where near 16k in the champ. I don't understand where people think our hidden fan base will be returning from. Our fan base is dwindling not growing. We'd be lucky to get 12k in the champ and that includes the huge away followings. Previous poster hit the nail on the head re season ticket sales next season they will be around the 4k mark the lowest for a number of years imo. We soon found fans when there was a hint of a trip to Anfield? Assuming the likes of Leeds, or whoever are in the Championship at the time, bring 4,000 fans, surely we could attract 12,000 for the big games? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 12, 2024 19:57:33 GMT
It's just words. There is no proper business plan been put forward with a what they want to structure first and how. For example, it's like me saying that in 3 years my business will be increasing from £1.5m to £3m with the plan to have a much larger premises taking on more staff and higher margins. Just words. How is the important bits of information I'd have to give any investors. So how are you going to support Taylor? Signing players is a given and a must but what about a footballing recruitment structure? When would you look to have that in place. Champ in 3 years you say? Cool, what makes it a 3 year plan? What targets have been set? What if you/we fail? Who's responsible? Tom? Abdullatif? you? Who's going to take responsibility for that? Talking of responsibility how about a board structure to show us that we have skilled people making sure we are commercially ready, business ready and being leadership ready for the champ? What budget are you going to set to make sure we will get there? 16k capacity stadium? Heard that from you before. I don't need plans right now, but what's next for the stadium given that you couldn't put soap and towels in the toilets in the south stand the other week? Have we spoken to architects? If so, when can we expect to see some plans? You want to develop the Quarters? Nice. What about the plans to give a lot of the site away that was revealed by South Glos Council? When do you expect to do that? How will the finance be raised? When can we expect to see a vision for this? The season ticket sales are due to start soon and we've had a 💩season so let's pedal some BS out to tickle the ears of the fans is how I read that. It would be so much better to let us have an open letter of who the directors are, what their skill sets are, what they are doing, how that will help us and what responsibilities they have first and Then give us plans for a footballing structure before making wild promises of championship and premiership football in a piecemeal stadium. Who really cares what the BoD individually are responsible for, compared to what their vision is for the club? If you want to know that why not go to the Q&A and ask them? I'm pretty certain when Plymouth produced a similar vision posters were asking why our owners couldn't do the same. Now they've done it they want something entirely different. As far as the Quarters the letter already confirms it's going to be financed by a residential element "Furthermore, we have also included a residential element to ensure the site is commercial viable for the club." |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2024 19:59:57 GMT
Season Ticket sales will be one of the lowest for many a season. Reduction rather then a increase will be needed to stop the drift towards live streaming of games at home rather then the third world set up at the mem for crazy matchday prices and lack of modern facilities We don’t get on well on here but you are spot on. ST sales are going to be down, which will see a reduced budget. TrevorGas mentions we are losing £3 million a year, I think Wrexham are in at £10 million a year, all clubs are losing money but how about this sales pitch for a season ticket push which relates to budget next season……….”we purchased the club because of its potential but the win against Portsmouth and away following and performance at Carrow Road in the FA cup have only justified our purchase further in our minds. It’s well known the January transfer window is a difficult one and value for money is exaggerated. We are optimistic for next season and will supply Matt Taylor with a competitive budget for a real push for the play offs again” I’d read that and think, we are having a go?!?! Read his statement, he’s put the brakes on, totally damning down everything. Stadium first, Quarters, 3 year Championship target, no meat on the bone! Let me ask everyone this, what did we expect from a new owner, new ground (now Carlisle job), Quarters investment, Championship football, we’ve heard nothing new today, they’ve actually gone backwards. Nick Higgs said the championship was the aim, he delivered two successful planning permissions, he just never had the money, this lot don’t either. |
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Post by singupgas on Feb 12, 2024 20:00:37 GMT
We aren't far off that. If we ever did achieve Championship football, think we fill 16k every week. Was hoping for at least 20K. I can't see us ever moving from the Mem site.. So seems little shortsighted. We wouldn't get no where near 16k in the champ. I don't understand where people think our hidden fan base will be returning from. Our fan base is dwindling not growing. We'd be lucky to get 12k in the champ and that includes the huge away followings. Previous poster hit the nail on the head re season ticket sales next season they will be around the 4k mark the lowest for a number of years imo. In the current ground as it is. It is no surprise we don't fill it every week..it is sh**e. Of course if we were in the championship in a better ground we would fill good percentage of it. Numbers will dwindle if a) we keep struggling in bottom half of league one and b) continue to have a sh**e ground. Build it and they will come. |
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Post by wallywalters on Feb 12, 2024 20:01:39 GMT
We wouldn't get no where near 16k in the champ. I don't understand where people think our hidden fan base will be returning from. Our fan base is dwindling not growing. We'd be lucky to get 12k in the champ and that includes the huge away followings. Previous poster hit the nail on the head re season ticket sales next season they will be around the 4k mark the lowest for a number of years imo. We soon found fans when there was a hint of a trip to Anfield? Assuming the likes of Leeds, or whoever are in the Championship at the time, bring 4,000 fans, surely we could attract 12,000 for the big games? The poster said 16k every week in the champ. Id be willing to put my house on us not getting anywhere near that against teams like Rotherham, Preston , Plymouth , hull , Millwall, Huddersfield etc etc etc. |
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 12, 2024 20:05:22 GMT
Season tickets on sale soon then.
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Post by mftc on Feb 12, 2024 20:05:26 GMT
Any doubting Thomas' who are in the SC can get tickets for the Q&A with MT, TG and the owners and ask their own questions.
Like - why do we have everyone back at corners?
Why is the programme so poor, yet continually sell out at 2.15?
Why not give the 50/50 back to the SC so they can take cash, (more income, plus less waste of actual BRFC staff time/cost of wages doing whatever they do? - arrange the bank transfers to the winner? - there's a loss of income right there - if the winner collects £500 in cash at half time just see how many friends they have when they get to the bar after the game!
Scouting network questions etc, etc
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Post by yattongas on Feb 12, 2024 20:07:33 GMT
Season Ticket sales will be one of the lowest for many a season. Reduction rather then a increase will be needed to stop the drift towards live streaming of games at home rather then the third world set up at the mem for crazy matchday prices and lack of modern facilities I bet we sell more than this season. |
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Post by Goose on Feb 12, 2024 20:08:30 GMT
To be fair, they always said they didn't see much value in the January window due to supply/demand.
The real test with the squad is the summer and what investment we see
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