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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 13, 2024 8:34:48 GMT
Really ? Good to hear Dave, a little reassurance. Carlisle has a player development role on a part time basis. Something tells me if he was promised a full time role and then the club changed it at the last minute to a two day role, he would have in no uncertain terms told them where to stuff it. Perhaps he was happy to do a part time job, after all he must have got a decent payoff from Rotherham. But I hasten to add I’m not itk, like some on here. No need to say that my friend, I know you are not someone who seeks attention and are a balanced and fair poster. Thanks for the information as I thought it was part time |
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Post by pucklegas on Feb 13, 2024 8:45:24 GMT
Really ? Good to hear Dave, a little reassurance. Carlisle has a player development role on a part time basis. Something tells me if he was promised a full time role and then the club changed it at the last minute to a two day role, he would have in no uncertain terms told them where to stuff it. Perhaps he was happy to do a part time job, after all he must have got a decent payoff from Rotherham. But I hasten to add I’m not itk, like some on here. It might benefit him financially to say to Rotherham I've been trying to get a permanent role, but this is all I've been offered, agree with your comments of course he wouldn't accept being messed about. Rregarding the planning for houses, what a brilliant idea the cheapest detached house in that area is probably 700k, so a few houses would pay for the entire training ground past works and future, he s not going to fund us like Lansdown and this seems a well thought out idea. No different to people building houses in their massive gardens, which seems on the increase. |
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Post by trevorgas on Feb 13, 2024 8:55:36 GMT
Glad to see the obligatory typos, definitely embracing the Rovers ethos. 😁 Overall, it's what we've been asking for, it's decent communication and although it says 3 years for Championship football remember that's "within" and not "not before". It probably dovetails with the stadium and The Quarters development. Setting the foundations. With regards to the team, nice words but this needs to be put into action. Conteh's signing was a good benchmark, we'll see soon enough if that was a one off or the start of a genuine move towards a different approach. I've no objection to a smaller, younger but better talented squad able to develop over a couple of seasons together (if that is the plan). Capacity wise, 16,000 is a start imo. From memory the West stand is to remain so potential expansion there in say, 5 years time, of few more, should the need arise. Maybe even extending to replace the South West stand eventually. The Quarters sound good, I'm disappointed they need to introduce a residential area but if that makes it viable then so be it. Wonder if we are just selling an area or if we would effectively become landlords and generate regular income? Overall, fine. We have a timeline now rather than a generic vague aspiration. We need to hold them to their word but if they show signs of progress we should also give them support. The litmus test will be the summer signings and ground development, hopefully getting plans in the near future. The next 6 months could be pivotal. Certainly not boring being a Gashead. 😃 Agree Stuart,as far as capacity goes if we had 16k now we wouldn't fill it and if we have that in 3years time I would be amazed if we filled it on a regular basis. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 13, 2024 9:09:30 GMT
Let’s see what we end up getting. That will truly dictate if the letter is empty words trying to generate season ticket sales or if it’s a real statement of ambition. However I’d take an East stand extension and championship in 3 years. Far better than blueprints for a stadium that will never actually happen. 16k may sound nice, but as I've already said it seems shortsighted and hardly that ambitious for the space particularly on the east side. If it really ends up being a bolted on extensions of current stands and pillars everywhere. Then it won't be a huge improvement. One of the biggest cities in UK and we don't seem to take advantage of that, or owners realise potential. Everything else in the letter sounds great though. Whilst it’s not the ambition we dream of it’s a world of improvement on tents in the south end for another 28 years with the occasional architectural diagram every now and then. Having been and sat in the new south stand if they could replicate that in the East stand then I’d be made up. I don’t like being on the ends so something like that along the pitch will do for me and would be a vast improvement on what we currently have. I reckon it’ll be an extension of the cantilevered roof either side. I don’t think something like the south stand would be feasible on the east stand unless you started from scratch. Do that and swap the terracing out for seats and you have a proper stand |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 13, 2024 9:12:23 GMT
Glad to see the obligatory typos, definitely embracing the Rovers ethos. 😁 Overall, it's what we've been asking for, it's decent communication and although it says 3 years for Championship football remember that's "within" and not "not before". It probably dovetails with the stadium and The Quarters development. Setting the foundations. With regards to the team, nice words but this needs to be put into action. Conteh's signing was a good benchmark, we'll see soon enough if that was a one off or the start of a genuine move towards a different approach. I've no objection to a smaller, younger but better talented squad able to develop over a couple of seasons together (if that is the plan). Capacity wise, 16,000 is a start imo. From memory the West stand is to remain so potential expansion there in say, 5 years time, of few more, should the need arise. Maybe even extending to replace the South West stand eventually. The Quarters sound good, I'm disappointed they need to introduce a residential area but if that makes it viable then so be it. Wonder if we are just selling an area or if we would effectively become landlords and generate regular income? Overall, fine. We have a timeline now rather than a generic vague aspiration. We need to hold them to their word but if they show signs of progress we should also give them support. The litmus test will be the summer signings and ground development, hopefully getting plans in the near future. The next 6 months could be pivotal. Certainly not boring being a Gashead. 😃 Agree Stuart,as far as capacity goes if we had 16k now we wouldn't fill it and if we have that in 3years time I would be amazed if we filled it on a regular basis. Yep, I can see us getting 12,000 plus on a regular basis if we play well and results go our way so the additional headroom would be welcome for the occasional matches. It could also give us the chance for incentives to attract new or younger fans such as free tickets or 'quid a kid' offers. The sweet spot for me is 20,000 but anything higher than 15,000 is a big improvement and who's to say it can't increase again in the future. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 13, 2024 9:16:19 GMT
When they talked about the Premier League I assumed they meant longer term, like one day. 3 years to Championship sounds reasonable and by then hopefully the ground will hold 16K. Realistically from there you're looking at least around 5 years to establish and build. It didn't really sound like they'd changed the projections to me, just more realistic aims. 3 years to the championship sounds reasonable? For us? Does it? Over the next 3 years, sides will dropping out of the league above who are massive and wealthy compared to us. Look at the bottom half of the champ and I dont see many sides we'll be above in 3 years at all. Even a good 8 in our division will fancy their chances ahead of us. Proof will be in the pudding though, so let's hope for brighter years ahead🥮 Nail on head here. The teams that do come down from the champ to L1 are usually either the smaller ones, Rotherham for example, the tradition bounce clubs, Barnsley, P'boro, and a basket case club, like a Sheff W, Reading. There is only 1 team currently the same size as us in the champ and that is Rotherham and they are bottom by +15 points and with a better stadium than us, albeit similar in terms of capacity. Teams like Luton and Brentford stabalised, competed and got promoted from the championship because of their management structures within the club at board level, football operations level and then at pitch level. For HAS to come out and say "championship in 3 years" is fine, but he also needs to say how. What is he/the board going to do personally to make sure it happens? What does it mean if we dont make it? Will he walk away because he has run out of money? It's pretty clear to me that the attempt to hike ticket prices means he wants more revenue. The fact WC is only on a part time contract says to me that he hasnt got the ££ to invest in the footballing side this season or beyond. |
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Post by olskooltoteender on Feb 13, 2024 9:25:48 GMT
“full backing” - that’s what we call a part-time asst manager and no scouting network now, is it? Our assistant manager is full time. I do apologise - I meant Wayne Carlisle, not McAllister |
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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Feb 13, 2024 9:31:34 GMT
Things to remember guys, it’s competitive and really hard. Even if you do everything right; you can still lose. As an example, injuries. It is not as simple as you think. All the other teams are trying as hard as we are. Being honest, mid table L1 is about our level. Of course I want more but for goodness sake, City have spent over 100M for about 20 league places above us. You can hope to do a Luton and get lucky, and we may one day. Go easy on the board and manager. As far as I can see they are putting their money and their time where their mouth is. We are batting at our level and that’s better than we had for years. Our time will come I am sure. All we can do is be the best fans we can be and make the Mem a place opposition teams fear. Are we doing that? No. We can be a weak home crowd and we need the team to act first. How about instead of barraging the board, we grab our testicles and resolve to make the mem like ninnian park in the 90s. An inferno. That’s all we can do. Sing your heart out instead of finding other fans to shop to the stasi for singing about the IRA. Give your head a wobble, get some pints down you and let’s ave it. Or words to this effect. I remember in the Holloway days going 3-0 down at home and the blackthorn giving a massive, loud rendition of Irene. Pretty sure we rescued that game. That wouldn’t happen now, we’ve become like t the old city fans we hated. Culture change needed. Once we’ve proven ourselves as fans again then maybe we can criticise. Yes I am on holiday and yes I’ve had a few rice wines but I mean every word. Get on board or get out. UTFG. We can do this! Not spot on. I like alot of the energy but- get on board or get out. Alot of money men have come into football and tanked clubs with respected histories. Fans are right to review the credentials of owners actions. This was some improved communication and I think it's fair to give them the benefit of the doubt but I'll be paying attention to see if these words are backed up. Exactly this , and the crux of the matter nowadays , how many clubs up and down the pyramid have been shafted by owners ( UK or foreign ) that we've witnessed and shuddered thinking
' glad that's not me ' , yet the poor fans thought thay were on a magical journey. Now in relation to us , we dont know , so I'm giving Mr A + co the benifit , but we shouldn't be too gullible
is what Im saying. I'm sure Mr A if he's is true to his word , would understand all this.
Meanwhile , i'm still behind MT , and will look to see if the owners are tue to the word.
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Post by bidefordgas on Feb 13, 2024 9:41:19 GMT
Carlisle has a player development role on a part time basis. Something tells me if he was promised a full time role and then the club changed it at the last minute to a two day role, he would have in no uncertain terms told them where to stuff it. Perhaps he was happy to do a part time job, after all he must have got a decent payoff from Rotherham. But I hasten to add I’m not itk, like some on here. It might benefit him financially to say to Rotherham I've been trying to get a permanent role, but this is all I've been offered, agree with your comments of course he wouldn't accept being messed about. Rregarding the planning for houses, what a brilliant idea the cheapest detached house in that area is probably 700k, so a few houses would pay for the entire training ground past works and future, he s not going to fund us like Lansdown and this seems a well thought out idea. No different to people building houses in their massive gardens, which seems on the increase. Of course it’s a great idea. There is plenty of room at the training ground to do this without detracting on the available space to expand the training ground. But as we know there will always be some who won’t be happy whatever the owners decide to do. |
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 13, 2024 9:54:04 GMT
No possibility that when Conygar realised that we were in a position to pump £3.50 into the project that they pulled the idea of a stadium then. There certainly were no other takers for a stadium on the site Not looking for an argument, CI did not see a stadium as viable. Wael knew of this and was bereft. He did try a last minute meeting, which got them to the final meeting. That is all. Onwards we go That was because we thought we could do it on the cheap. We were tens of millions off of the commitment required by the developers. I posted this within the first week of our new owners tenure. |
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Post by trevorgas on Feb 13, 2024 10:02:22 GMT
Agree Stuart,as far as capacity goes if we had 16k now we wouldn't fill it and if we have that in 3years time I would be amazed if we filled it on a regular basis. Yep, I can see us getting 12,000 plus on a regular basis if we play well and results go our way so the additional headroom would be welcome for the occasional matches. It could also give us the chance for incentives to attract new or younger fans such as free tickets or 'quid a kid' offers. The sweet spot for me is 20,000 but anything higher than 15,000 is a big improvement and who's to say it can't increase again in the future. Absolutely right, particularly about the next generation. |
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Post by gashead79 on Feb 13, 2024 10:19:14 GMT
Agree Stuart,as far as capacity goes if we had 16k now we wouldn't fill it and if we have that in 3years time I would be amazed if we filled it on a regular basis. Yep, I can see us getting 12,000 plus on a regular basis if we play well and results go our way so the additional headroom would be welcome for the occasional matches. It could also give us the chance for incentives to attract new or younger fans such as free tickets or 'quid a kid' offers. The sweet spot for me is 20,000 but anything higher than 15,000 is a big improvement and who's to say it can't increase again in the future. We have a hell of a lot of work to do to attract new and younger fans. The only way that would happen now is if we placed above city for a period of time. Otherwise it will only be children of Rovers parents who get on board. As mentioned elsewhere, we have nigh on zero relationship with those players-no local role models. The other mob have streamed out academy graduates from all 4 corners of bristol. If anybody hasn't seen their kids school of excellence, take a look up the old filton school. There's hundreds of U12s there fully kitted out with all the gizzets. How do we do quid a kid and other tempting offers whilst they are literally swallowing most of the customers for the future? Our success in terms of STs and support base absolutely depends on not only our own on-pitch success, but the success of them in BS3. This town is not big enough for 2 teams below the prem. Over time they'll grow by compounding and we will shrink. |
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 13, 2024 10:22:27 GMT
3 years to the championship sounds reasonable? For us? Does it? Over the next 3 years, sides will dropping out of the league above who are massive and wealthy compared to us. Look at the bottom half of the champ and I dont see many sides we'll be above in 3 years at all. Even a good 8 in our division will fancy their chances ahead of us. Proof will be in the pudding though, so let's hope for brighter years ahead🥮 Nail on head here. The teams that do come down from the champ to L1 are usually either the smaller ones, Rotherham for example, the tradition bounce clubs, Barnsley, P'boro, and a basket case club, like a Sheff W, Reading. There is only 1 team currently the same size as us in the champ and that is Rotherham and they are bottom by +15 points and with a better stadium than us, albeit similar in terms of capacity. Teams like Luton and Brentford stabalised, competed and got promoted from the championship because of their management structures within the club at board level, football operations level and then at pitch level. For HAS to come out and say "championship in 3 years" is fine, but he also needs to say how. What is he/the board going to do personally to make sure it happens? What does it mean if we dont make it? Will he walk away because he has run out of money? It's pretty clear to me that the attempt to hike ticket prices means he wants more revenue. The fact WC is only on a part time contract says to me that he hasnt got the ££ to invest in the footballing side this season or beyond. Should he have said that in 3 years our ambitious goal was to be stagnating in League 1 ? I'm pleased they've got ambitions, and didn't expect everything to be spelled out in a single open letter. Many people on here have hoped for a sustainable future, so whether the owners have buckets of cash or not, the sensible solution is to attempt to increase the capacity and build gradually within our means. People wanted communication and some vision, the more optimistic amongst us will believe the championship in 3 years is achievable. It's almost like some people aren't happy unless they're unhappy about something |
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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Feb 13, 2024 10:44:31 GMT
Yep, I can see us getting 12,000 plus on a regular basis if we play well and results go our way so the additional headroom would be welcome for the occasional matches. It could also give us the chance for incentives to attract new or younger fans such as free tickets or 'quid a kid' offers. The sweet spot for me is 20,000 but anything higher than 15,000 is a big improvement and who's to say it can't increase again in the future. We have a hell of a lot of work to do to attract new and younger fans. The only way that would happen now is if we placed above city for a period of time. Otherwise it will only be children of Rovers parents who get on board. As mentioned elsewhere, we have nigh on zero relationship with those players-no local role models. The other mob have streamed out academy graduates from all 4 corners of bristol. If anybody hasn't seen their kids school of excellence, take a look up the old filton school. There's hundreds of U12s there fully kitted out with all the gizzets. How do we do quid a kid and other tempting offers whilst they are literally swallowing most of the customers for the future? Our success in terms of STs and support base absolutely depends on not only our own on-pitch success, but the success of them in BS3. This town is not big enough for 2 teams below the prem. Over time they'll grow by compounding and we will shrink. Absolutly right , though I would say the city can accomadate 2 teams below Prem level , happened before , but we would need to attract new fans to sustain. |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 13, 2024 10:50:48 GMT
Things to remember guys, it’s competitive and really hard. Even if you do everything right; you can still lose. As an example, injuries. It is not as simple as you think. All the other teams are trying as hard as we are. Being honest, mid table L1 is about our level. Of course I want more but for goodness sake, City have spent over 100M for about 20 league places above us. You can hope to do a Luton and get lucky, and we may one day. Go easy on the board and manager. As far as I can see they are putting their money and their time where their mouth is. We are batting at our level and that’s better than we had for years. Our time will come I am sure. All we can do is be the best fans we can be and make the Mem a place opposition teams fear. Are we doing that? No. We can be a weak home crowd and we need the team to act first. How about instead of barraging the board, we grab our testicles and resolve to make the mem like ninnian park in the 90s. An inferno. That’s all we can do. Sing your heart out instead of finding other fans to shop to the stasi for singing about the IRA. Give your head a wobble, get some pints down you and let’s ave it. Or words to this effect. I remember in the Holloway days going 3-0 down at home and the blackthorn giving a massive, loud rendition of Irene. Pretty sure we rescued that game. That wouldn’t happen now, we’ve become like t the old city fans we hated. Culture change needed. Once we’ve proven ourselves as fans again then maybe we can criticise. Yes I am on holiday and yes I’ve had a few rice wines but I mean every word. Get on board or get out. UTFG. We can do this! SPOT ON !!!! 💙👍UTG |
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Post by gashead79 on Feb 13, 2024 10:52:35 GMT
We have a hell of a lot of work to do to attract new and younger fans. The only way that would happen now is if we placed above city for a period of time. Otherwise it will only be children of Rovers parents who get on board. As mentioned elsewhere, we have nigh on zero relationship with those players-no local role models. The other mob have streamed out academy graduates from all 4 corners of bristol. If anybody hasn't seen their kids school of excellence, take a look up the old filton school. There's hundreds of U12s there fully kitted out with all the gizzets. How do we do quid a kid and other tempting offers whilst they are literally swallowing most of the customers for the future? Our success in terms of STs and support base absolutely depends on not only our own on-pitch success, but the success of them in BS3. This town is not big enough for 2 teams below the prem. Over time they'll grow by compounding and we will shrink. Absolutly right , though I would say the city can accomadate 2 teams below Prem level , happened before , but we would need to attract new fans to sustain. Sure, and there are many variables to all this of course. In simple terms though, unless something changes for us/them/both, there are a finite number of punters to choose what to do with a Saturday afternoon. That letter is great. But if they get in the Prem in 2 years, we are f**ked! |
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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Feb 13, 2024 10:56:54 GMT
Absolutly right , though I would say the city can accomadate 2 teams below Prem level , happened before , but we would need to attract new fans to sustain. Sure, and there are many variables to all this of course. In simple terms though, unless something changes for us/them/both, there are a finite number of punters to choose what to do with a Saturday afternoon. That letter is great. But if they get in the Prem in 2 years, we are f**ked! Not with Lansdown in charge  |
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Post by Gastafari on Feb 13, 2024 10:58:23 GMT
So you’d actively want us to lose matches in the championship? Rubbish I’m not sure why he supports us or a football team either. Imagine being a Cherries fan seeing Solanke tear apart top sides. Luton Town fans are loving it as well, I was in the away end at Brentford when we won 6-2 as well under Holloway. I bet Luton fans are loving it as well. They've done it without spending copious amounts of money and in a ground with barely a 12k capacity, where you still have to walk through peoples back gardens to get into the away end. As you mentioned " 3 years to the Championship tells me we are not spending big and quick to get up there, it also tells me last season top 8 budget is being reduced. Its clear to me this is now a process of getting costs down, like Wenger at Arsenal paying off the Emirates, our money is going on the Mem and they have a manager who accepts a low budget like at Exeter. If you wanted Championship football asap, you’d be bank rolling a top 6 budget, minimum play off push" That's pretty much how Luton have done it. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 13, 2024 11:03:34 GMT
Yep, I can see us getting 12,000 plus on a regular basis if we play well and results go our way so the additional headroom would be welcome for the occasional matches. It could also give us the chance for incentives to attract new or younger fans such as free tickets or 'quid a kid' offers. The sweet spot for me is 20,000 but anything higher than 15,000 is a big improvement and who's to say it can't increase again in the future. We have a hell of a lot of work to do to attract new and younger fans. The only way that would happen now is if we placed above city for a period of time. Otherwise it will only be children of Rovers parents who get on board. As mentioned elsewhere, we have nigh on zero relationship with those players-no local role models. The other mob have streamed out academy graduates from all 4 corners of bristol. If anybody hasn't seen their kids school of excellence, take a look up the old filton school. There's hundreds of U12s there fully kitted out with all the gizzets. How do we do quid a kid and other tempting offers whilst they are literally swallowing most of the customers for the future? Our success in terms of STs and support base absolutely depends on not only our own on-pitch success, but the success of them in BS3. This town is not big enough for 2 teams below the prem. Over time they'll grow by compounding and we will shrink. I was commenting in the context of stadium capacity. I'm well aware that we have a hell of a lot of work to do regarding attracting the next generation and getting local players into the first team. When the UWE was still nominally a goer I suggested we link up with the university and offer discounted sports degrees to add something. Bristol is big enough for both teams, let's at least try. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 13, 2024 11:07:59 GMT
Just wondering, do other clubs share their in-depth business plans with supporters? I have no idea how these things usually work.
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