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Post by bidefordgas on Jul 28, 2024 15:49:47 GMT
Wilson was poor all season, I can't recall one game where he was anywhere near being MotM. He was really last season's Max Ehmer. Whilst he wasn’t great he was miles better than Ehmer. For what it’s worth, Wilson scored an average of 6.13 from 25 appearances last season. These are the ratings from posters on this forum. |
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Post by stevek192 on Jul 29, 2024 10:09:18 GMT
We will have to disagree on that one Topper gas as someone else said we gained more points when he was in the side than when he wasnt. A player does not have to be MOTM to do a reasonable job. Quite often a 7 out of 10 every week is better. I am not stupid enough to say Wilson was 7 out of 10 every week but he certainly was not poor all season. Anyway ALL players left at the club should have a clean sheet this season and see who takes the chance .Can you name one game were he performed well when he returned from his lengthy injury lay off, as I can't recall one? I can't recall many games where he was anything better than 5 out of 10. Does that apply to Jed Ward? |
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Post by stevek192 on Jul 29, 2024 10:20:14 GMT
Topper Gas, It applies to EVERY player but you know as well as I do that Jed Ward will not be in the first team as MT has signed Griffiths as his number 1 and had he signed Dawson he would have been number 1. I cannot comment on either as havent seen them play- I would have preferred an experienced keeper and by that i mean a keeper at least 27 or 28 with a lot of experience. Both Manager and George Friend must think that at this time Griffiths is a better keeper- by how much i don't know but in his favour he has played nearly 200 games which at his age is pretty Good and although lots won't like it maybe Taylor knows he has a chance of signing Griffiths at the end of the season.
But back to topic i think ALL players should start with a clean sheet and in all honesty I think there were games where Wilson played well but have no intention of going back through last season to find out which ones. In fact I have no intention of looking back on last season as it is gone and I believe in looking forward.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 29, 2024 13:31:23 GMT
Oh dear me! fans if they are worth that name who abused him got back some of their own medicine. I agree with 2nd May 1990 certainly was not awful in most of the games he played and we looked better when he played than when he didnt. Therer is nothing worse for a player than to be abused by your own fans when all you have done is probably make a mistake and there were plenty of those last season and certainly was not restricted to a few players. Lets get behind all our players this season. Wilson was poor all season, I can't recall one game where he was anywhere near being MotM. He was really last season's Max Ehmer. For once, and very unusually, you and I agree. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 29, 2024 13:32:45 GMT
We will have to disagree on that one Topper gas as someone else said we gained more points when he was in the side than when he wasnt. A player does not have to be MOTM to do a reasonable job. Quite often a 7 out of 10 every week is better. I am not stupid enough to say Wilson was 7 out of 10 every week but he certainly was not poor all season. Anyway ALL players left at the club should have a clean sheet this season and see who takes the chance . Can you show me the data on that Steve please? |
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Post by Beer Baron on Jul 29, 2024 14:55:10 GMT
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Post by bridgwatergas on Jul 29, 2024 15:07:20 GMT
He wasn't as bad as a few have made out and we looked better as a team when he played. His season like many others went downhill after January and that is what most will remember. |
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Post by bidefordgas on Jul 29, 2024 15:21:15 GMT
He had scored 6.61 for the first 40 games and after 46 games his average was 6.14 from memory. His form definately dropped off as did many others towards the end of the season. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 29, 2024 15:24:56 GMT
Stevek is correct, all players start with a clean sheet, it would be strange to do otherwise wouldn’t it? They are getting well paid and to exclude them from selection would be plain dumb. If Wilson shows he’s the best choice in the weekly training we pick him it’s simple and that’s why we have a well paid manager to make those decisions. That doesn’t stop others from having opinions but it does seem that one bad reaction from the player has heavily influenced what people think about him. And that the evidence over a longer period of time (not just one match) seems to support the view that he wasn’t as bad as some think. And of course if fans want to give out criticism which goes OTT then the same fans have to be prepared to take it when it comes back at them. UTG! |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 29, 2024 15:35:23 GMT
Wilson wasn’t as bad as some like to make out but I think we all expected a bit more from a league one winner the season before.
The bit I struggled with…. Was his heart really into it ? He just didn’t look like he really cared which I hope I’m wrong about as that’s an awful thing to say about one of your own players.
As stated before, clean slate going into this season. Show us what you’re made of Mr Wilson .
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 29, 2024 16:05:54 GMT
When you compare Wilson to the likes of C Taylor, or Craig or even Elliot it's like chalk and cheese, we expected a leader like the latter two but got a half heated player like Ehmer. Even in Portugal he managed to give away a penalty in the first couple of minutes of the game v Bromley.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 29, 2024 16:11:13 GMT
Stevek is correct, all players start with a clean sheet, it would be strange to do otherwise wouldn’t it? They are getting well paid and to exclude them from selection would be plain dumb. If Wilson shows he’s the best choice in the weekly training we pick him it’s simple and that’s why we have a well paid manager to make those decisions. That doesn’t stop others from having opinions but it does seem that one bad reaction from the player has heavily influenced what people think about him. And that the evidence over a longer period of time (not just one match) seems to support the view that he wasn’t as bad as some think. And of course if fans want to give out criticism which goes OTT then the same fans have to be prepared to take it when it comes back at them. UTG! I couldn't care less what Wilson said to the fans my views are based solely on what I saw on the pitch last season, particularly under MT when he never really seems interested in putting in a shift. |
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Jul 29, 2024 16:12:16 GMT
When you compare Wilson to the likes of C Taylor, or Craig or even Elliot it's like chalk and cheese, we expected a leader like the latter two but got a half heated player like Ehmer. Even in Portugal he managed to give away a penalty in the first couple of minutes of the game v Bromley. He was fully heated against Bromley…it was very hot in Portugal!! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 29, 2024 16:16:29 GMT
When you compare Wilson to the likes of C Taylor, or Craig or even Elliot it's like chalk and cheese, we expected a leader like the latter two but got a half heated player like Ehmer. Even in Portugal he managed to give away a penalty in the first couple of minutes of the game v Bromley. He was fully heated against Bromley…it was very hot in Portugal!! Similar to me at the moment then! |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 29, 2024 17:07:14 GMT
Stevek is correct, all players start with a clean sheet, it would be strange to do otherwise wouldn’t it? They are getting well paid and to exclude them from selection would be plain dumb. If Wilson shows he’s the best choice in the weekly training we pick him it’s simple and that’s why we have a well paid manager to make those decisions. That doesn’t stop others from having opinions but it does seem that one bad reaction from the player has heavily influenced what people think about him. And that the evidence over a longer period of time (not just one match) seems to support the view that he wasn’t as bad as some think. And of course if fans want to give out criticism which goes OTT then the same fans have to be prepared to take it when it comes back at them. UTG! I couldn't care less what Wilson said to the fans my views are based solely on what I saw on the pitch last season, particularly under MT when he never really seems interested in putting in a shift. No problem it’s always on what you see, we can agree about that. I saw him in first game at Portsmouth when he was excellent as was James Connolly. But then perhaps it’s easy to get to Portsmouth from Dorset!! 😉. (Joke btw!) UTG! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 29, 2024 17:56:59 GMT
I couldn't care less what Wilson said to the fans my views are based solely on what I saw on the pitch last season, particularly under MT when he never really seems interested in putting in a shift. No problem it’s always on what you see, we can agree about that. I saw him in first game at Portsmouth when he was excellent as was James Connolly. But then perhaps it’s easy to get to Portsmouth from Dorset!! 😉. (Joke btw!) UTG! FGR beat us in their first game two seasons ago, now they start this season in the National League!! I see you're getting lots of support on the east stand thread for your suggestion that BCC would have helped us return to Bristol if we hadn't returned to the Mem!! |
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Post by Quarters on Jul 29, 2024 18:14:35 GMT
No problem it’s always on what you see, we can agree about that. I saw him in first game at Portsmouth when he was excellent as was James Connolly. But then perhaps it’s easy to get to Portsmouth from Dorset!! 😉. (Joke btw!) UTG! FGR beat us in their first game two seasons ago, now they start this season in the National League!! I see you're getting lots of support on the east stand thread for your suggestion that BCC would have helped us return to Bristol if we hadn't returned to the Mem!! What does he FGR result have to do with Wilson, thought that was the topic? |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 29, 2024 19:09:08 GMT
No problem it’s always on what you see, we can agree about that. I saw him in first game at Portsmouth when he was excellent as was James Connolly. But then perhaps it’s easy to get to Portsmouth from Dorset!! 😉. (Joke btw!) UTG! FGR beat us in their first game two seasons ago, now they start this season in the National League!! I see you're getting lots of support on the east stand thread for your suggestion that BCC would have helped us return to Bristol if we hadn't returned to the Mem!! Topper, stop being silly. This is a forum and different views are allowed. If you read that post I just said it was an alternative view regarding our move to Twerton. I know BCC would have been hard pressed to help financially but history would have been very different and who knows what may have happened with developers or different owners or finding suitable land, which SG ore BCC may have been more helpful over. Just as you picked me up on that point I see you didn’t dismiss my view that owners have used the Mem as a convenient default position to avoid facing the real need for a new ground. And regarding FGR…..what the heck has that to do with Wilson? You said Wilson was ‘poor all season’. He certainly wasn’t at Pompey as I’m sure you saw! Which I thought we were discussing. UTG! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 29, 2024 19:54:05 GMT
FGR beat us in their first game two seasons ago, now they start this season in the National League!! I see you're getting lots of support on the east stand thread for your suggestion that BCC would have helped us return to Bristol if we hadn't returned to the Mem!! Topper, stop being silly. This is a forum and different views are allowed. If you read that post I just said it was an alternative view regarding our move to Twerton. I know BCC would have been hard pressed to help financially but history would have been very different and who knows what may have happened with developers or different owners or finding suitable land, which SG ore BCC may have been more helpful over. Just as you picked me up on that point I see you didn’t dismiss my view that owners have used the Mem as a convenient default position to avoid facing the real need for a new ground. And regarding FGR…..what the heck has that to do with Wilson? You said Wilson was ‘poor all season’. He certainly wasn’t at Pompey as I’m sure you saw! Which I thought we were discussing. UTG! Try putting 2 & 2 together, just because Wilson played well in our first game doesn't mean he played well all season, FGR being probably the perfect example of how winning the first game of the season means absolutely nothing. As far as being silly it was you who brought up living in Dorset again, not me. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 29, 2024 20:03:08 GMT
Stevek is correct, all players start with a clean sheet, it would be strange to do otherwise wouldn’t it? They are getting well paid and to exclude them from selection would be plain dumb. If Wilson shows he’s the best choice in the weekly training we pick him it’s simple and that’s why we have a well paid manager to make those decisions. That doesn’t stop others from having opinions but it does seem that one bad reaction from the player has heavily influenced what people think about him. And that the evidence over a longer period of time (not just one match) seems to support the view that he wasn’t as bad as some think. And of course if fans want to give out criticism which goes OTT then the same fans have to be prepared to take it when it comes back at them. UTG! Dig into the data a little more. 21 games is a hideous appearance rate. Only managed 3 games in a row twice. Goals conceded average 1.43 per game with him in the side. It's as crap as I remember and we need much much better. |
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