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Shaw
Oct 2, 2024 22:38:20 GMT
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Post by westfieldgas on Oct 2, 2024 22:38:20 GMT
Work with a Villa season ticket holder who thinks they have strong connections with Rovers and have started conversations over Shaw already. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 2, 2024 23:10:56 GMT
Shame if he goes, but we can't turn that sort of fee down (assuming it's true). |
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Post by Gassy on Oct 3, 2024 6:21:55 GMT
Shame if he goes, but we can't turn that sort of fee down (assuming it's true). It’s just Palmers stick your finger in the air valuation. Classic from someone who has no idea and just sees teams like Villa payout this money on youngsters from abroad. Reality is we’d accept 300k no doubt. |
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Shaw
Oct 3, 2024 6:28:24 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 3, 2024 6:28:24 GMT
Shame if he goes, but we can't turn that sort of fee down (assuming it's true). It’s just Palmers stick your finger in the air valuation. Classic from someone who has no idea and just sees teams like Villa payout this money on youngsters from abroad. Reality is we’d accept 300k no doubt. Precisely, although it'll be tribunal or undisclosed I suspect. |
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Shaw
Oct 3, 2024 6:35:27 GMT
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Post by Gassy on Oct 3, 2024 6:35:27 GMT
It’s just Palmers stick your finger in the air valuation. Classic from someone who has no idea and just sees teams like Villa payout this money on youngsters from abroad. Reality is we’d accept 300k no doubt. Precisely, although it'll be tribunal or undisclosed I suspect. How many of our youngsters have “made it” after making up to a bigger team? I can only think of Sinclair? Santos ended up settling in NL south! Perhaps something Shaw should think about |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 3, 2024 6:43:47 GMT
Precisely, although it'll be tribunal or undisclosed I suspect. How many of our youngsters have “made it” after making up to a bigger team? I can only think of Sinclair? Santos ended up settling in NL south! Perhaps something Shaw should think about Personally I'd rather be the proverbial big fish in a small pond, much more likely to get game time and a move later in life. Although presumably it would be better wages from the start and access to top class training facilities and coaching staff. Plus having Aston Villa on your CV can't hurt. Can see the attraction. |
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Post by neilv93 on Oct 3, 2024 7:08:18 GMT
Yeah, we can't turn down several million for a kid that's not even in our starting XI yet. We absolutely need big sell-on % included though, and add-ons for things like apps and England caps. Kofi is going straight to the moon.
Edit: just to add on, Villa are a fantastic football club. He'd still be local enough to Bristol whilst representing a CL club that's beating Bayern. It's a no brainer. We have a great relationship with Villa as a club so I'd like to see us exploit this by ensuring we continue getting good loans/first dubs from their young talents. Bogarde has represented them in the CL this year after two loans with us and we've got Sousa currently. PLENTY of talented youngsters in Villa's ranks - let's make continued good use of this potential relationship.
And what's Kyrie Pierre getting up to these days?
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Shaw
Oct 3, 2024 7:13:46 GMT
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Post by mftc on Oct 3, 2024 7:13:46 GMT
How many of our youngsters have “made it” after making up to a bigger team? I can only think of Sinclair? Santos ended up settling in NL south! Perhaps something Shaw should think about Personally I'd rather be the proverbial big fish in a small pond, much more likely to get game time and a move later in life. Although presumably it would be better wages from the start and access to top class training facilities and coaching staff. Plus having Aston Villa on your CV can't hurt. Can see the attraction. A young man with a short career. I would imagine he would be on less than a grand a week now, with the offer of undoubtedly more than 5 times that even in the prem u21s. A three year contract could financially sort his life out, even if he only plays EFL trophy games. I bet most of us would love to be paid a few hundred grand just for three years work. He could still have a ten year football career afterwards if it doesn't work out and play lower league, or even non league. As Santos has been used as an example, he will soon be eligible for a professional player pension, so if he doesn't have a great part time job, he will still have the financial benefits, helped in the he main by the three year stint at Derby, where no doubt as an u21 squad player, he was paid a lot more than we would have ever paid if he stayed with us. Hopefully the PFA helps players early in their careers and they can use the money as a long term investment, rather than getting overhyped by an agent and splashing the cash too much too early. |
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Shaw
Oct 3, 2024 8:22:56 GMT
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Post by fanboy on Oct 3, 2024 8:22:56 GMT
Not sure how on earth they’ve come to that figure! Let’s be honest if he goes he’s going for under 500k! |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 3, 2024 9:07:47 GMT
Precisely, although it'll be tribunal or undisclosed I suspect. How many of our youngsters have “made it” after making up to a bigger team? I can only think of Sinclair? Santos ended up settling in NL south! Perhaps something Shaw should think about Zamora and Lockyer both did alright for themselves. |
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Shaw
Oct 3, 2024 9:11:18 GMT
Post by phillistine on Oct 3, 2024 9:11:18 GMT
Personally I'd rather be the proverbial big fish in a small pond, much more likely to get game time and a move later in life. Although presumably it would be better wages from the start and access to top class training facilities and coaching staff. Plus having Aston Villa on your CV can't hurt. Can see the attraction. A young man with a short career. I would imagine he would be on less than a grand a week now, with the offer of undoubtedly more than 5 times that even in the prem u21s. A three year contract could financially sort his life out, even if he only plays EFL trophy games. I bet most of us would love to be paid a few hundred grand just for three years work. He could still have a ten year football career afterwards if it doesn't work out and play lower league, or even non league. As Santos has been used as an example, he will soon be eligible for a professional player pension, so if he doesn't have a great part time job, he will still have the financial benefits, helped in the he main by the three year stint at Derby, where no doubt as an u21 squad player, he was paid a lot more than we would have ever paid if he stayed with us. Hopefully the PFA helps players early in their careers and they can use the money as a long term investment, rather than getting overhyped by an agent and splashing the cash too much too early. Regardless of whether it is true or just whispers i wonder what i wuld do if my child had the same opportunities. If he moves to a bigger club he will just be one of the academy players no matter how much they pay for him and it is unlikely that he will surface in a men's team in even a limited capacity for at least another 18 months. Rovers do seem to be looking after him quite well because lets face it a few years ago he would have been thrown in at the deep end wheras his breakthrough is being carefully controlled as step at a time . He would have to move away from the family home which affects a 17 year old in different ways and you cant help feeling that he will remain more grounded surrounded by his family and a club like Rovers than if he grows further in the privelaged surroundings of a bigger club. The final thing is that his value may well restrict his opportunities in that he will lose the ability to chose a club that is suited to his ability and skillset. Leeds for example are overloaded with young midfield players from all over the world coming through wheras another club would possibly be able to offer him more first team opportunities. We only have to look at Harveu Vale to find a kid earning incredible money but surely kicking his heels that he is stuck in the Chelsea academy instead of progressing in the men's game as he should be |
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Shaw
Oct 3, 2024 11:27:10 GMT
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Post by Gassy on Oct 3, 2024 11:27:10 GMT
How many of our youngsters have “made it” after making up to a bigger team? I can only think of Sinclair? Santos ended up settling in NL south! Perhaps something Shaw should think about Zamora and Lockyer both did alright for themselves. Yep good shout. So 1 per decade then lol |
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Shaw
Oct 3, 2024 12:01:01 GMT
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 3, 2024 12:01:01 GMT
Zamora and Lockyer both did alright for themselves. Yep good shout. So 1 per decade then lol I wonder how that compares to other teams in L1_L2? |
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Shaw
Oct 3, 2024 12:10:52 GMT
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Post by Gassy on Oct 3, 2024 12:10:52 GMT
Yep good shout. So 1 per decade then lol I wonder how that compares to other teams in L1_L2? Yeah it’d be interesting to see stats. pirate may know better |
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Shaw
Oct 3, 2024 12:29:47 GMT
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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 3, 2024 12:29:47 GMT
Surprised the owners son hasn't forced MT to play Kofi each game to up his price
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Post by tbonegas on Oct 3, 2024 12:39:11 GMT
Not sure how on earth they’ve come to that figure! Let’s be honest if he goes he’s going for under 500k! Aston Villa, as with all other clubs in the Country, know that Bristol Rovers are a soft touch. They will probably offer £10.50 and seal the deal. |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 3, 2024 13:08:01 GMT
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Shaw
Oct 3, 2024 15:46:07 GMT
Post by madridgas on Oct 3, 2024 15:46:07 GMT
Burrows (13 year old) and Pierre (15 year old) went for something like a combined £250k I seem to remember, perhaps plus add-ons. We are 3.5 years on, prices have gone mad and Kofi has played in the 1st team. I think E1m+ would be the minimum we would be talking about, plus significant add-ons. Hopefully with him being allowed to stay until the end of the season on loan
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Shaw
Oct 3, 2024 16:11:03 GMT
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Post by peterparker on Oct 3, 2024 16:11:03 GMT
Burrows (13 year old) and Pierre (15 year old) went for something like a combined £250k I seem to remember, perhaps plus add-ons. We are 3.5 years on, prices have gone mad and Kofi has played in the 1st team. I think E1m+ would be the minimum we would be talking about, plus significant add-ons. Hopefully with him being allowed to stay until the end of the season on loan Burrows and Pierre never had pro contracts, so we're snapped under the EPPP which has standardised fees based on how long kids have been at clubs. Literally nothing we or other clubs can do in those circumstances |
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Shaw
Oct 3, 2024 16:24:07 GMT
Post by madridgas on Oct 3, 2024 16:24:07 GMT
Burrows (13 year old) and Pierre (15 year old) went for something like a combined £250k I seem to remember, perhaps plus add-ons. We are 3.5 years on, prices have gone mad and Kofi has played in the 1st team. I think E1m+ would be the minimum we would be talking about, plus significant add-ons. Hopefully with him being allowed to stay until the end of the season on loan Burrows and Pierre never had pro contracts, so we're snapped under the EPPP which has standardised fees based on how long kids have been at clubs. Literally nothing we or other clubs can do in those circumstances If true, this post suggests Aston Villa with £200k paid far more than they had to under the EPPP compensation structure assuming we were a Category 3 academy (£60k), www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-kyrie-pierre-aston-villa-5445848 |
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