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Shaw
Oct 3, 2024 18:56:55 GMT
Post by gasheadontour on Oct 3, 2024 18:56:55 GMT
How many of our youngsters have “made it” after making up to a bigger team? I can only think of Sinclair? Santos ended up settling in NL south! Perhaps something Shaw should think about Zamora and Lockyer both did alright for themselves.
Zamora had been at West Ham and Norwich before joining Rovers.
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Shaw
Oct 3, 2024 19:20:08 GMT
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Post by lavalamp on Oct 3, 2024 19:20:08 GMT
Zamora and Lockyer both did alright for themselves.
Zamora had been at West Ham and Norwich before joining Rovers. And he was born in Barking. Plus didn't he first sign for Rovers when he was 18?
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Shaw
Oct 3, 2024 19:28:10 GMT
Post by gasheadontour on Oct 3, 2024 19:28:10 GMT
People used to say Simon Bryant was going to Manchester Utd. He went to Mangotsfield Utd.
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Shaw
Oct 3, 2024 20:05:40 GMT
Post by Topper Gas on Oct 3, 2024 20:05:40 GMT
Zamora had been at West Ham and Norwich before joining Rovers. And he was born in Barking. Plus didn't he first sign for Rovers when he was 18? Surprised he was only at Rovers one season as I always assumed he came though the Academy.
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Post by joefrankie on Oct 3, 2024 21:26:47 GMT
Surprised the owners son hasn't forced MT to play Kofi each game to up his price I know you’re being flippant, but turn your mind back to 2004/05. It was clear Scott Sinclair wasn’t going to sign a professional contract. With ten games to go, our season was over. The fee was going to be decided by a tribunal. Atkins gave him a couple of five minute run outs at the end of the season; and we got fook all for him. I hope Kofi will sign a new contract, but I’m also realistic. And I also think he’s good enough to get games in the first team this season. Give him a decent amount of minutes, and if he does decide to leave, we can prove that he’s a first team player and we should get a fair fee for him.
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Post by tbonegas on Oct 3, 2024 22:09:09 GMT
How many of our youngsters have “made it” after making up to a bigger team? I can only think of Sinclair? Santos ended up settling in NL south! Perhaps something Shaw should think about Zamora and Lockyer both did alright for themselves. As did Gary Mabbutt
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 4, 2024 5:29:12 GMT
Shaw's challenge at present is to get back on the bench ahead of either Thomas or Forde, let alone worry about playing or getting a new contract.
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Post by William Wilson on Oct 4, 2024 6:02:31 GMT
Shaw's challenge at present is to get back on the bench ahead of either Thomas or Forde, let alone worry about playing or getting a new contract. From what I`ve seen so far, Shaw`s inability to even make the bench is more a reflection on Taylor`s ability to manage our side, than Shaw`s ability to play football.
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Oct 4, 2024 6:27:54 GMT
To me it’s perfectly simple, Taylor either picks him for at least the bench, or gives him a first team run out, or sells him, either way it’s not going to affect our season of struggle, if he plays well, he’ll be gone in a heart beat, plays poorly everyone will try and wrap him up in cotton wool, and this thread will be 300 pages long by Easter
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Post by gasify on Oct 4, 2024 6:30:58 GMT
Shaw's challenge at present is to get back on the bench ahead of either Thomas or Forde, let alone worry about playing or getting a new contract. From what I`ve seen so far, Shaw`s inability to even make the bench is more a reflection on Taylor`s ability to manage our side, than Shaw`s ability to play football. You have to protect the player both on and off the pitch. We have seen the impact in recent history: Where's Shaw? Put him on the bench Start the lad He was sh**. MT said that the midfield platform wasn't right for him to shine, until that happens we could end up destroying the career of a very talented young man.
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Shaw
Oct 4, 2024 7:49:56 GMT
Post by madridgas on Oct 4, 2024 7:49:56 GMT
Surprised the owners son hasn't forced MT to play Kofi each game to up his price I know you’re being flippant, but turn your mind back to 2004/05. It was clear Scott Sinclair wasn’t going to sign a professional contract. With ten games to go, our season was over. The fee was going to be decided by a tribunal. Atkins gave him a couple of five minute run outs at the end of the season; and we got fook all for him. I hope Kofi will sign a new contract, but I’m also realistic. And I also think he’s good enough to get games in the first team this season. Give him a decent amount of minutes, and if he does decide to leave, we can prove that he’s a first team player and we should get a fair fee for him. £200k was the tribunal fee, with add-ons I believe it was eventually just below £400k, or £600k in today's money.
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Post by peterparker on Oct 4, 2024 8:01:21 GMT
I know you’re being flippant, but turn your mind back to 2004/05. It was clear Scott Sinclair wasn’t going to sign a professional contract. With ten games to go, our season was over. The fee was going to be decided by a tribunal. Atkins gave him a couple of five minute run outs at the end of the season; and we got fook all for him. I hope Kofi will sign a new contract, but I’m also realistic. And I also think he’s good enough to get games in the first team this season. Give him a decent amount of minutes, and if he does decide to leave, we can prove that he’s a first team player and we should get a fair fee for him. £200k was the tribunal fee, with add-ons I believe it was eventually just below £400k, or £600k in today's money. Chelsea were ordered to pay Rovers an initial £200,000 with £50,000 due when he made his first team debut and a further £125,000 when he made 10, 20, 30, and 40 first team appearancs. There were also sell-on clauses and more money if Sinclair played for England. However, at the time, Rovers criticised the ruling claiming it could encourage Chelsea to tempt talented players from smaller clubs. Sinclair's talent was never in doubt during his time with Chelsea but he certainly flattered to deceive, making just 10 appearances for the Blues in five years (We also had a 15% sell on clause)
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Post by igotgas on Oct 4, 2024 9:28:38 GMT
Any fee for Kofi will be way below what some think he’s worth on here. There’s way too much jeopardy for clubs to spend too much and it’s likely it’ll be a nominal fee with lots of incentives and add ons depending on his progress.
I have no doubt whatsoever that his appearances so far have had one eye on pushing the fees up.
Is he ready to play right now? In my opinion no, not in a million years.
Will he get games over the course of the season? Maybe….with the idea of pushing his value up we may pick and choose some games but it’s very very unlikely he’ll be picked on merit.
At the moment we had a subs bench Tuesday, that did t even include Ward, Sousa or Moore and we still have Senior and Martin to return.
Thats 12 players ahead of him before we even mention Micah Anthony who’s not even made a squad yet who I’d consider more equipped right now to affect games.
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Shaw
Oct 4, 2024 12:22:28 GMT
Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 4, 2024 12:22:28 GMT
Any fee for Kofi will be way below what some think he’s worth on here. There’s way too much jeopardy for clubs to spend too much and it’s likely it’ll be a nominal fee with lots of incentives and add ons depending on his progress. I have no doubt whatsoever that his appearances so far have had one eye on pushing the fees up. Is he ready to play right now? In my opinion no, not in a million years. Will he get games over the course of the season? Maybe….with the idea of pushing his value up we may pick and choose some games but it’s very very unlikely he’ll be picked on merit. At the moment we had a subs bench Tuesday, that did t even include Ward, Sousa or Moore and we still have Senior and Martin to return. Thats 12 players ahead of him before we even mention Micah Anthony who’s not even made a squad yet who I’d consider more equipped right now to affect games. Based on what exactly?
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Shaw
Oct 4, 2024 12:29:26 GMT
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Post by igotgas on Oct 4, 2024 12:29:26 GMT
Any fee for Kofi will be way below what some think he’s worth on here. There’s way too much jeopardy for clubs to spend too much and it’s likely it’ll be a nominal fee with lots of incentives and add ons depending on his progress. I have no doubt whatsoever that his appearances so far have had one eye on pushing the fees up. Is he ready to play right now? In my opinion no, not in a million years. Will he get games over the course of the season? Maybe….with the idea of pushing his value up we may pick and choose some games but it’s very very unlikely he’ll be picked on merit. At the moment we had a subs bench Tuesday, that did t even include Ward, Sousa or Moore and we still have Senior and Martin to return. Thats 12 players ahead of him before we even mention Micah Anthony who’s not even made a squad yet who I’d consider more equipped right now to affect games. Based on what exactly? Age, maturation, level of football he’s been playing at since he was 8 and the environment and coaching he’ll have received within that, what I’ve seen of him so far….most importantly…”I’d consider more equipped” so my opinion 👍
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Post by Quarters on Oct 4, 2024 12:37:29 GMT
Age, maturation, level of football he’s been playing at since he was 8 and the environment and coaching he’ll have received within that, what I’ve seen of him so far….most importantly…”I’d consider more equipped” so my opinion 👍 Must say Anthony appears to have something different about him and looks exciting. Wonder it is thought he lacks in the defensive side of the game.
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Post by roadman on Oct 4, 2024 12:43:39 GMT
The manager is being put under pressure to play him, the club want him gone asap to bring in a fee, we are the PR machine going to Nixon the journo. I sat next to Barry Fry and a gentleman was between me and Sir Alex at London Road, I thought then, why has this kid been thrown in the deep end here, it was a suicide mission. Shaw was totally out of his depth, we were totally over run, it was the wrong game to groom him, regardless of his talent.
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Shaw
Oct 4, 2024 12:53:00 GMT
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Post by igotgas on Oct 4, 2024 12:53:00 GMT
My thoughts exactly.
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Post by roadman on Oct 4, 2024 13:27:44 GMT
We tried to sell Jed Ward last season and it’s why he got a 5 year deal. The pressure this club is putting on a 17 year old child is a disgrace, we are the PR machine pumping all this. A proper caring and well run club, the individual at heart, would be nurturing like Exeter did with Ollie Watkins, not hawking him all over the place to a quick transfer fee in.
It’s a disgrace what has happened to our club, the FA fit and proper persons test is a disgrace as well. I love the German model of fan ownership, I look at Exeter over achieving over us compared to our budget, fan owned.
Kofi Shaw should be at FGR on loan now, getting regular starts like Zamora did but instead we’ve got Friend being instructed to contact people in the game.
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Post by tbonegas on Oct 4, 2024 13:45:29 GMT
We tried to sell Jed Ward last season and it’s why he got a 5 year deal. The pressure this club is putting on a 17 year old child is a disgrace, we are the PR machine pumping all this. A proper caring and well run club, the individual at heart, would be nurturing like Exeter did with Ollie Watkins, not hawking him all over the place to a quick transfer fee in. It’s a disgrace what has happened to our club, the FA fit and proper persons test is a disgrace as well. I love the German model of fan ownership, I look at Exeter over achieving over us compared to our budget, fan owned. Kofi Shaw should be at FGR on loan now, getting regular starts like Zamora did but instead we’ve got Friend being instructed to contact people in the game. Welcome back Sir. How long are you going to stay this time?
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