Matt Taylor and Friend to Carlisle

I don't know what you've been watching, but it looks awful to me. This season and last. We haven't played well in any game I've watched this season and I've seen them all. The stats back up what I witness with my own eyes too and the "big picture" shows a situation that is unsustainable...21st for average possession, 18th for accurate passes per match, 19th for accurate long balls per match, 21st for goals per match, 24th for shots on target per match and 18th for expected goals. Not good enough.

Answer your own question….. how long do you give him before sacking him ?

How have assets like Luke Thomas or Connor Taylor increased in value under his management? How anyone can believe that the current performances are sustainable is beyond me. Very similar to last season in that we create very little and still giving up too many chances on our goal. "We're not going to go down now are we" - Probably not, but only because I think there are several teams worse than us! I don't think I'll be far off with my pre-season prediction of 19th, but we shall see. Hopefully I'm wrong and we finish higher, but the current manager and performances give me no confidence or belief whatsoever.

You know we've only had both of them for a year right? Takes a bit longer than that. You want instant results on the pitch and you want instant profits. Clearly, hard man to please! Also Taylor/Friend didn't sign them. They will increase I imagine. Again, give it time and don't write something off before it has a chance to happen.

Again....... we are all of the things you say (to an extent, I don't think things are quite as dire as you're making out) at the moment. These players are kids, we've had them for 6 games, give them a chance to gel and judge them at Christmas. 

Patience and vision don't sound like they are strengths of yours so I will leave this argument with a brick wall here.

Let's revisit later in the season. I'm not too proud to concede that you are right, I just like to see sufficient evidence of something before I believe it to be true. 

The end of October seems reasonable as if there's no improvement by then I can't see him ever improving. A good target to give him will be to beat the points tally JB had when he was dismissed. Personally I can't see him achieving it unless there's a drastic upturn in form. That'll be just under 20 games with his new squad, which is surely enough games to get them to gel.

Do you have a link to the "big picture" document as I can't see the owners have said to MT don't worry about the performances or results just as long as you develop the players. The owners apparently left Adams Park last season when we went 3-0 down, so it hardly sounds like performances/results don't matter to them, plus we've all seen the photo of them celebrating on the pitch after we won at Charlton.

Regardless I can't see the owners will be happy that we're only getting 6/7K home fans though the turnstyles in a 12K capacity ground, that's got to be £10/£20K income loss per match.

Posh and Oxford both have shown you only get big money for players if you're at the right end of the table, nobody regularly pays big money for Shrewsbury's or Orient's players.

MT sucked the life out of Rotherham and he now seems to be doing a similar job at Rovers. Did he just get lucky at Exeter and just had to tweak Tisdale's side rather than have to rebuild the whole squad?

I'm not saying that results don't matter, I don't think I said that did I? Of course they do, but we have other targets that go along with them which we also need to recognise and make judgment on, but a lot further down the line as per the nature of them. Those being signing young players with potential and bringing them on for the good of the team and the bank balance.

My argument isn't that Taylor is the right man or that I am sold with his approach. Of course, he still has a lot to prove. I just don't think it's right to judge whether he is right or wrong in such a short amount of time. 

I try to keep a balanced view as much as possible and try not to get emotive. I was furious after last Saturday, like all of us. But that doesn't mean, like some on here, we can say TAYLOR OUT, NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Just makes no sense to be so short sighted.

We also have to recognise that Barton had different targets. He spent a lot of money on success in his last season which didn't materialise hence the owners giving the reason he was sacked. Taylor's are different and will be judged by the board accordingly.

Its not been great so far this season, happy to adhere to the 10 matches played rule, lets hope he can get BRFC a result on Saturday.

If they sack Evatt I'd be straight on the phone.

I like MT, unlike Wes I have seen some promising signs this season as last season you can tell the players downed tools, but at current run rate we are relegation threatened.