|
|
Post by blueblood1883 on Sept 18, 2024 11:25:02 GMT
Supporters cry out for a longer term more sustainable approach.6 games into a new squad and the knives are out. Not sure why people think we have a good fanbase anymore. Social media and everyone being a stats expert have killed all the fun. Not sure spending over £1m on untried youngsters is anymore sustainable than JB's approach? The same scenario applies if the players don't perform then they become worthless. Regardless what evidence is there MT is capable of getting a L1 side to perform, we could give him 5 years and still struggling at the bottom of L1 or even worse. It's not just 6 games it's been virtually the same since MT arrived, the big concern is how poor we were on Saturday when we've played around 10 games including pre-season friendlies and cup games, Rotherham had a similar rebuild and they are topping the chances created chart. Rotherham probably created most of those chances in the game against us. But football isn't a simple science, we picked up a point and could of won it .. |
|
|
|
Post by eric on Sept 18, 2024 11:25:12 GMT
Most fans are still supportive. There was bound to be some groans and a few jeers after Saturday as nobody can deny it was absolutely dreadful. Plenty of empty spaces at the Mem and could be a number of reasons - quality of performance probably the biggest after last season but also pricing, especially for youngsters(?).
Anyway, after being totally demoralised after last season I thought there were some really promising signings during the summer and had a little bit more optimism. That is beginning to disappear as performances have generally been poor and a couple of home wins against two of the divisions worst teams have papered over the cracks a bit. I don’t like five at the back at all and don’t think it suits us but I’m wondering whether MT will get the best out of the players regardless of formation?
Having allowed him to heavily invest in players during the summer it is way too early to consider a change but I’m worried about how this season will pan out and have a bad feeling tbh.
I guess being concerned about performances and not being fully won over by the manager so far makes me a Hater or member of the JB Cult !!!
|
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Sept 18, 2024 11:29:04 GMT
C Taylor seems to have lost his way just like Connolly, I'm not sure he was that great last season under MT, this season he seems similar, I've no idea what he was doing for Wigan's 4th goal as can't see not being 100% fit played any part.
I guess CT sums this latest model up, it's not just about buying good youngsters and watching them increase in value, you have to have a plan to do it. If it's that easy then why have Posh, and to a lesser extent Oxford, only really mastered it in L1.
|
|
|
|
Post by percy on Sept 18, 2024 11:32:11 GMT
Most fans are still supportive. There was bound to be some groans and a few jeers after Saturday as nobody can deny it was absolutely dreadful. Plenty of empty spaces at the Mem and could be a number of reasons - quality of performance probably the biggest after last season but also pricing, especially for youngsters(?). Anyway, after being totally demoralised after last season I thought there were some really promising signings during the summer and had a little bit more optimism. That is beginning to disappear as performances have generally been poor and a couple of home wins against two of the divisions worst teams have papered over the cracks a bit. I don’t like five at the back at all and don’t think it suits us but I’m wondering whether MT will get the best out of the players regardless of formation? Having allowed him to heavily invest in players during the summer it is way too early to consider a change but I’m worried about how this season will pan out and have a bad feeling tbh. I guess being concerned about performances and not being fully won over by the manager so far makes me a Hater or member of the JB Cult !!! Nope, well thought through post if you ask me. Agree with a lot of it. For me, having only seen the 3 home games, there is as much to worry me as give me hope. Really just hoping for some stability and enjoyment for a couple of seasons! |
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Sept 18, 2024 11:34:56 GMT
Not sure spending over £1m on untried youngsters is anymore sustainable than JB's approach? The same scenario applies if the players don't perform then they become worthless. Regardless what evidence is there MT is capable of getting a L1 side to perform, we could give him 5 years and still struggling at the bottom of L1 or even worse. It's not just 6 games it's been virtually the same since MT arrived, the big concern is how poor we were on Saturday when we've played around 10 games including pre-season friendlies and cup games, Rotherham had a similar rebuild and they are topping the chances created chart. Rotherham probably created most of those chances in the game against us. But football isn't a simple science, we picked up a point and could of won it .. Problem is how many points will a team pick up when it gets totally battered and the goalie has to play a blinder? GC was probably the only Rovers manager who mastered that, and it seems that was probably down to luck with JCH etc, as he's never achieved that success at any other club. |
|
|
|
Post by madridgas on Sept 18, 2024 11:42:57 GMT
Some good points regarding getting the most money for players when they and the team are playing well, but of course if we were near the top of the league would we want to sell those players. So probably the time we could have done that and sold players was in the summer of 2022 having just got promoted from L2, as Crawley did this year, BUT
- Connolly wasn't our player, we actually bought him that summer
- Evans was out of contract
- Taylor was on loan from Stoke we bought him in 2023
- Thomas was on loan from Barnsley we bought him in 2023
Hopefully the recent purchases have been structured in such a way that both clubs win if the players bought and we are doing well, thus a percentage sell on of a good fee.
|
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Sept 18, 2024 11:43:18 GMT
Most fans are still supportive. There was bound to be some groans and a few jeers after Saturday as nobody can deny it was absolutely dreadful. Plenty of empty spaces at the Mem and could be a number of reasons - quality of performance probably the biggest after last season but also pricing, especially for youngsters(?). Anyway, after being totally demoralised after last season I thought there were some really promising signings during the summer and had a little bit more optimism. That is beginning to disappear as performances have generally been poor and a couple of home wins against two of the divisions worst teams have papered over the cracks a bit. I don’t like five at the back at all and don’t think it suits us but I’m wondering whether MT will get the best out of the players regardless of formation? Having allowed him to heavily invest in players during the summer it is way too early to consider a change but I’m worried about how this season will pan out and have a bad feeling tbh. I guess being concerned about performances and not being fully won over by the manager so far makes me a Hater or member of the JB Cult !!! Did the board allow MT to invest anything this summer or did they just sign the players GF thought were suitable? It was clear from the FF that GF identified Bilingo some time ago and MT was only told Forde had been signed after the deal had been completed, I found that totally strange as you'd assume a manager was heavily involved in transfer deadline deals, not just find out the following day who we'd signed. I've no idea how MT was involved, did he identify any players, did he approve of potential signings, or did he just get told who GF and the VP had signed? All I've heard was that he was part of the team who presented the club to any potential signings. |
|
|
|
Post by madridgas on Sept 18, 2024 11:51:11 GMT
Most fans are still supportive. There was bound to be some groans and a few jeers after Saturday as nobody can deny it was absolutely dreadful. Plenty of empty spaces at the Mem and could be a number of reasons - quality of performance probably the biggest after last season but also pricing, especially for youngsters(?). Anyway, after being totally demoralised after last season I thought there were some really promising signings during the summer and had a little bit more optimism. That is beginning to disappear as performances have generally been poor and a couple of home wins against two of the divisions worst teams have papered over the cracks a bit. I don’t like five at the back at all and don’t think it suits us but I’m wondering whether MT will get the best out of the players regardless of formation? Having allowed him to heavily invest in players during the summer it is way too early to consider a change but I’m worried about how this season will pan out and have a bad feeling tbh. I guess being concerned about performances and not being fully won over by the manager so far makes me a Hater or member of the JB Cult !!! Did the board allow MT to invest anything this summer or did they just sign the players GF thought were suitable? It was clear from the FF that GF identified Bilingo some time ago and MT was only told Forde had been signed after the deal had been completed, I found that totally strange as you'd assume a manager was heavily involved in transfer deadline deals, not just find out the following day who we'd signed. I've no idea how MT was involved, did he identify any players, did he approve of potential signings, or did he just get told who GF and the VP had signed? All I've heard was that he was part of the team who presented the club to any potential signings. I thought that the idea was the manager (MT) identified the sort of people he wanted, the DOF identified targets, from which the manager would choose a short list that the DOF and VP would then pursue. I'd be amazed if Forde hadn't been discussed previously and MT had him on his short list. Yes, if were me i'd be at the quarters until 11pm on transfer deadline day, but may be MT has great faith in GF and the VP. |
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Sept 18, 2024 12:12:10 GMT
Did the board allow MT to invest anything this summer or did they just sign the players GF thought were suitable? It was clear from the FF that GF identified Bilingo some time ago and MT was only told Forde had been signed after the deal had been completed, I found that totally strange as you'd assume a manager was heavily involved in transfer deadline deals, not just find out the following day who we'd signed. I've no idea how MT was involved, did he identify any players, did he approve of potential signings, or did he just get told who GF and the VP had signed? All I've heard was that he was part of the team who presented the club to any potential signings. I thought that the idea was the manager (MT) identified the sort of people he wanted, the DOF identified targets, from which the manager would choose a short list that the DOF and VP would then pursue. I'd be amazed if Forde hadn't been discussed previously and MT had him on his short list. Yes, if were me i'd be at the quarters until 11pm on transfer deadline day, but may be MT has great faith in GF and the VP. MT did say they looked at him earlier in the transfer window. So MT was aware of him and wanted him, just not aware that we had actually signed him until the next day. |
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Sept 18, 2024 12:15:54 GMT
I assumed that was the plan, but who knows what goes on at Rovers, it could be GF identities suitable players, MF confirms that they are suitable and then does a presentation, then the VP is left to sign them.
Unlike in the past I can't recall any of this summer's signings playing for MT in the past?
|
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Sept 18, 2024 12:18:07 GMT
I assumed that was the plan, but who knows what goes on at Rovers, it could be GF identities suitable players, MF confirms that they are suitable and then does a presentation, then the VP is left to sign them. Unlike in the past I can't recall any of this summer's signings playing for MT in the past? Lindsey? |
|
|
|
Post by eric on Sept 18, 2024 12:22:53 GMT
Most fans are still supportive. There was bound to be some groans and a few jeers after Saturday as nobody can deny it was absolutely dreadful. Plenty of empty spaces at the Mem and could be a number of reasons - quality of performance probably the biggest after last season but also pricing, especially for youngsters(?). Anyway, after being totally demoralised after last season I thought there were some really promising signings during the summer and had a little bit more optimism. That is beginning to disappear as performances have generally been poor and a couple of home wins against two of the divisions worst teams have papered over the cracks a bit. I don’t like five at the back at all and don’t think it suits us but I’m wondering whether MT will get the best out of the players regardless of formation? Having allowed him to heavily invest in players during the summer it is way too early to consider a change but I’m worried about how this season will pan out and have a bad feeling tbh. I guess being concerned about performances and not being fully won over by the manager so far makes me a Hater or member of the JB Cult !!! Nope, well thought through post if you ask me. Agree with a lot of it. For me, having only seen the 3 home games, there is as much to worry me as give me hope. Really just hoping for some stability and enjoyment for a couple of seasons! Stability is a tough one. I think most people want that but there has to be sign of progression too - if results and performances are poor there will come a point at which someone needs to make a decision but we are quite a way from that at the moment. One thing that worried me more than anything was the manner of our capitulation on Saturday and how confidence just seemed to drain out of the players - they need to somehow snap out of that quickly and P’Boro away is a tough place to do that. |
|
|
|
Post by eric on Sept 18, 2024 12:26:53 GMT
Most fans are still supportive. There was bound to be some groans and a few jeers after Saturday as nobody can deny it was absolutely dreadful. Plenty of empty spaces at the Mem and could be a number of reasons - quality of performance probably the biggest after last season but also pricing, especially for youngsters(?). Anyway, after being totally demoralised after last season I thought there were some really promising signings during the summer and had a little bit more optimism. That is beginning to disappear as performances have generally been poor and a couple of home wins against two of the divisions worst teams have papered over the cracks a bit. I don’t like five at the back at all and don’t think it suits us but I’m wondering whether MT will get the best out of the players regardless of formation? Having allowed him to heavily invest in players during the summer it is way too early to consider a change but I’m worried about how this season will pan out and have a bad feeling tbh. I guess being concerned about performances and not being fully won over by the manager so far makes me a Hater or member of the JB Cult !!! Did the board allow MT to invest anything this summer or did they just sign the players GF thought were suitable? It was clear from the FF that GF identified Bilingo some time ago and MT was only told Forde had been signed after the deal had been completed, I found that totally strange as you'd assume a manager was heavily involved in transfer deadline deals, not just find out the following day who we'd signed. I've no idea how MT was involved, did he identify any players, did he approve of potential signings, or did he just get told who GF and the VP had signed? All I've heard was that he was part of the team who presented the club to any potential signings. Quite mischievous to try and paint a picture that MT had no involvement or knowledge of Ford. It was someone they wanted a lot earlier in the window as far as I was aware but didn’t look achievable - when it became possible at the very last minute the club acted decisively. I’m sure MT was delighted that it happened |
|
|
|
Post by percy on Sept 18, 2024 12:38:36 GMT
Nope, well thought through post if you ask me. Agree with a lot of it. For me, having only seen the 3 home games, there is as much to worry me as give me hope. Really just hoping for some stability and enjoyment for a couple of seasons! Stability is a tough one. I think most people want that but there has to be sign of progression too - if results and performances are poor there will come a point at which someone needs to make a decision but we are quite a way from that at the moment. One thing that worried me more than anything was the manner of our capitulation on Saturday and how confidence just seemed to drain out of the players - they need to somehow snap out of that quickly and P’Boro away is a tough place to do that. Agreed, but not too surprising. I said before the season started that I was looking forward to seeing these exciting young players, but we had to expect some bad - even awful - days on that journey. Saturday was one for sure, horrible to watch. How they react will now be key. I'd just like fans to recognise they can be a positive influence on that, we just dont seem to be there as a fanbase at the moment. (I know its a 2-way street). |
|
|
|
Post by fanboy on Sept 18, 2024 13:15:36 GMT
A guy I worked with for a few years supported MK Dons. Spoke to him a lot about it. It’s quite interesting… there are A LOT of Wimbledon old boys who did choose to follow the club to Milton Keynes and still do support MK Dons. A lot more than you would ever expect! Don't they support Wimbledon then? Or both clubs? Bizarre. In their eyes AFC Wimbledon are not the club they followed, MK Dons are that club! I was very surprised to hear that. |
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Sept 18, 2024 15:08:03 GMT
Did the board allow MT to invest anything this summer or did they just sign the players GF thought were suitable? It was clear from the FF that GF identified Bilingo some time ago and MT was only told Forde had been signed after the deal had been completed, I found that totally strange as you'd assume a manager was heavily involved in transfer deadline deals, not just find out the following day who we'd signed. I've no idea how MT was involved, did he identify any players, did he approve of potential signings, or did he just get told who GF and the VP had signed? All I've heard was that he was part of the team who presented the club to any potential signings. Quite mischievous to try and paint a picture that MT had no involvement or knowledge of Ford. It was someone they wanted a lot earlier in the window as far as I was aware but didn’t look achievable - when it became possible at the very last minute the club acted decisively. I’m sure MT was delighted that it happened Likewise you've no idea if MT wanted Forde earlier in the window or, like Bilingo, GF had identified him and MT was just aware of him, it just seems odd to me the manager was oblivious to the fact a player was signing for us. Perhaps football has changed even at this level and the manager just manages and the DoF now deals with all the player signings |
|
|
|
Post by aghast on Sept 18, 2024 16:07:47 GMT
Schumacher sacked at Stoke.Probably end up back at Muff sooner rather than later. That's a ridiculously quick decision, unless he's fallen out with the owners over something. I'm sure there will be a vacancy for him soon at Plymouth, as you say. Rooney won't last long. |
|
|
|
Post by Quarters on Sept 18, 2024 16:08:58 GMT
Quite mischievous to try and paint a picture that MT had no involvement or knowledge of Ford. It was someone they wanted a lot earlier in the window as far as I was aware but didn’t look achievable - when it became possible at the very last minute the club acted decisively. I’m sure MT was delighted that it happened Likewise you've no idea if MT wanted Forde earlier in the window or, like Bilingo, GF had identified him and MT was just aware of him, it just seems odd to me the manager was oblivious to the fact a player was signing for us. Perhaps football has changed even at this level and the manager just manages and the DoF now deals with all the player signings Or maybe it just went to the wire and MT did not fully believe it would happen. And had switched phone off, has a newborn I believe. If so grab sleep when you can. I think you are looking too hard at some comments. |
|
|
|
Post by peterparker on Sept 18, 2024 17:15:44 GMT
Quite mischievous to try and paint a picture that MT had no involvement or knowledge of Ford. It was someone they wanted a lot earlier in the window as far as I was aware but didn’t look achievable - when it became possible at the very last minute the club acted decisively. I’m sure MT was delighted that it happened Likewise you've no idea if MT wanted Forde earlier in the window or, like Bilingo, GF had identified him and MT was just aware of him, it just seems odd to me the manager was oblivious to the fact a player was signing for us. Perhaps football has changed even at this level and the manager just manages and the DoF now deals with all the player signings the actual process of signing Forde, Taylor revealed: "He was a name which has been there for a number of weeks, I have to be honest in relation to that, but he wasn't obtainable and his availability would have cost too much. Now, obviously as it's got towards the end, it's come down a little bit and then we were able to say, okay, that's a realistic financial outlay for us for where we see the potential outlay of the playe |
|
|
|
Post by eric on Sept 18, 2024 18:25:03 GMT
Likewise you've no idea if MT wanted Forde earlier in the window or, like Bilingo, GF had identified him and MT was just aware of him, it just seems odd to me the manager was oblivious to the fact a player was signing for us. Perhaps football has changed even at this level and the manager just manages and the DoF now deals with all the player signings the actual process of signing Forde, Taylor revealed: "He was a name which has been there for a number of weeks, I have to be honest in relation to that, but he wasn't obtainable and his availability would have cost too much. Now, obviously as it's got towards the end, it's come down a little bit and then we were able to say, okay, that's a realistic financial outlay for us for where we see the potential outlay of the playe Thanks. Those were the words I recalled hearing from MT. As I said before I think Topper was deliberately mischievous in trying to paint a picture of some big disconnect between GF and MT on signings which these comments show isn’t really the case. I’m not a huge MT fan but supporters stirring like this doesn’t really help anyone. |
|
