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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 18, 2024 19:52:04 GMT
Bloody hell Boro away is really reminding me what a tough start to the season we’ve been given. Still, it’s always worth getting Boro, Barnsley, Stockport and Rotherham away all out of the way. Not sure it gets any easier after Posh, as Wycombe have beaten us in 6 out of the last 7 games, we usually seem to struggle at Burton for some odd reason, Charlton seem to have finally found some form in L1, likewise Blackpool under Bruce and Huddersfield are looking odds on for promotion. An out of form Posh could be the easiest game out of the next 4! At least Shrewsbury looks winnable, if we're not totally shot for confidence by then, and Reading look back in the mire now their sale has collapsed. This season in L1 seems a tough division, you have to question whether this summer was the best one to revert to youth, rather than get some experienced pros in and just try and survive until the likes of Birmingham & Huddersfield are back where they belong. |
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Post by pudseygas on Sept 18, 2024 21:21:23 GMT
Bloody hell Boro away is really reminding me what a tough start to the season we’ve been given. Still, it’s always worth getting Boro, Barnsley, Stockport and Rotherham away all out of the way. Not sure it gets any easier after Posh, as Wycombe have beaten us in 6 out of the last 7 games, we usually seem to struggle at Burton for some odd reason, Charlton seem to have finally found some form in L1, likewise Blackpool under Bruce and Huddersfield are looking odds on for promotion. An out of form Posh could be the easiest game out of the next 4! At least Shrewsbury looks winnable, if we're not totally shot for confidence by then, and Reading look back in the mire now their sale has collapsed. This season in L1 seems a tough division, you have to question whether this summer was the best one to revert to youth, rather than get some experienced pros in and just try and survive until the likes of Birmingham & Huddersfield are back where they belong. Unless the idea that the younger ones will settle into league 1 and be ready for a push next season, which seems to be the reported plan for the club. A lot of the signings seem to have a bit going for them, hopefully they will come good |
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 19, 2024 9:38:59 GMT
As each game goes on it only highlights for me the shocking decision to let Evans go for such a low amount. I'd rather have him for a season and allow him to run down his contract. Huddersfield must be pis.sing themselves Even Finley would have improved this side I agree the fee with chump change but the club will probably that that sale (balancing the books, blah blah blah) enabled us to pay money to sign the likes of Promise and Shaq. I'm not going to argue whether that was better than keeping Evans as it's irrelevant but it wouldn't been as simple as just keeping Antony around. Either way, another 5-4 loss like in 2008. Griffiths Hunt Taylor Wilson Mola Conteh Lindsay (if fit; Garrett if not) Thomas Hutchinson Shaq Promise I think it'll have to be 3-5-2/3-4-3 if Hunt isn't playing though. Without Taylor Moore, Hunt and Senior, we don't have any out-and-out RBs. MAYBE Wilson plays there and Forbes comes in / Bilongo or Sousa deputise. |
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Post by Marshy on Sept 19, 2024 9:43:49 GMT
As each game goes on it only highlights for me the shocking decision to let Evans go for such a low amount. I'd rather have him for a season and allow him to run down his contract. Huddersfield must be pis.sing themselves Even Finley would have improved this side I agree the fee with chump change but the club will probably that that sale (balancing the books, blah blah blah) enabled us to pay money to sign the likes of Promise and Shaq. I'm not going to argue whether that was better than keeping Evans as it's irrelevant but it wouldn't been as simple as just keeping Antony around. Either way, another 5-4 loss like in 2008. Griffiths Hunt Taylor Wilson Mola Conteh Lindsay (if fit; Garrett if not) Thomas Hutchinson Shaq Promise I think it'll have to be 3-5-2/3-4-3 if Hunt isn't playing though. Without Taylor Moore, Hunt and Senior, we don't have any out-and-out RBs. MAYBE Wilson plays there and Forbes comes in / Bilongo or Sousa deputise. You think we are going to score 4? Good luck with that! 😂 |
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 19, 2024 9:46:55 GMT
I agree the fee with chump change but the club will probably that that sale (balancing the books, blah blah blah) enabled us to pay money to sign the likes of Promise and Shaq. I'm not going to argue whether that was better than keeping Evans as it's irrelevant but it wouldn't been as simple as just keeping Antony around. Either way, another 5-4 loss like in 2008. Griffiths Hunt Taylor Wilson Mola Conteh Lindsay (if fit; Garrett if not) Thomas Hutchinson Shaq Promise I think it'll have to be 3-5-2/3-4-3 if Hunt isn't playing though. Without Taylor Moore, Hunt and Senior, we don't have any out-and-out RBs. MAYBE Wilson plays there and Forbes comes in / Bilongo or Sousa deputise. You think we are going to score 4? Good luck with that! 😂 I think there's more chance of Peterborough scoring all nine themselves lol |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 19, 2024 11:10:48 GMT
I agree the fee with chump change but the club will probably that that sale (balancing the books, blah blah blah) enabled us to pay money to sign the likes of Promise and Shaq. I'm not going to argue whether that was better than keeping Evans as it's irrelevant but it wouldn't been as simple as just keeping Antony around. Either way, another 5-4 loss like in 2008. Griffiths Hunt Taylor Wilson Mola Conteh Lindsay (if fit; Garrett if not) Thomas Hutchinson Shaq Promise I think it'll have to be 3-5-2/3-4-3 if Hunt isn't playing though. Without Taylor Moore, Hunt and Senior, we don't have any out-and-out RBs. MAYBE Wilson plays there and Forbes comes in / Bilongo or Sousa deputise. You think we are going to score 4? Good luck with that! 😂 Darren Ferguson has said the handbrakes will be coming off at home so maybe we will get a shot on target at least? www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/peterborough-united/peterborough-united-ordered-to-take-the-handbrake-off-to-play-some-risky-football-4786495 |
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Post by yetigas on Sept 19, 2024 15:09:42 GMT
I have watched Gas live 3 times this season and West Ham (my local team) once. I have yet to see either concede a goal. You will all be pleased to know that I am going to Peterborough and fully expect to leave with my record intact  |
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Post by socrates on Sept 19, 2024 15:20:26 GMT
Don't you agree we seemed worse without him on Saturday, possibly his experience helps in midfield even if he's not playing that well? If he does play and we're still poor then we may as well just give up!! No genuinely I don’t. I’m not just trying to be argumentative (honest 😜). He’s been really poor and I have no idea what he’s going to offer particularly in a midfield if it includes Lindsay and Conteh. Saturday (first half) we actually played some half decent combination play. We broke their press several times and got into good areas. The problem Saturday was once we’d done that it came to nothing and that was largely down to complete ineffectiveness of the front two. Possession stats mean nothing of course but it was no surprise to me that without Ward we had some very good possession. The challenge is how we convert that into chance creation and end product and how we find some cohesion between the attacking players. My own personal feeling is we won’t do that chopping and changing the players and unsettling the very type of players we’re moaning about not having or having and them not performing. We do have them and we need to play them and allow them to come up with the moments that matter. Creative players need time, trust, belief from themselves and their manager. They will undoubtably make mistakes and wrong decisions but within that they will create moments that win games. I worry that MT doesn’t place that trust in creative players and ends up creating situations where they doubt themselves and become indecisive and hesitant in what they do. I agree the front two offered nothing on Saturday but I also think that promise can lay it off with his back to goal well but needs players going past him/ wide of him. I would say bolingo and Thomas would offer that if they were further up playing as wingers. I don’t think this formation suits Promise at all or the squad for that matter as we don’t really have any natural wing backs and we’re so bloody narrow when in possession. 4231 woukd suit him far better, his build up play and his goal scoring would improve. |
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Post by socrates on Sept 19, 2024 15:22:07 GMT
Bloody hell Boro away is really reminding me what a tough start to the season we’ve been given. Still, it’s always worth getting Boro, Barnsley, Stockport and Rotherham away all out of the way. Not sure it gets any easier after Posh, as Wycombe have beaten us in 6 out of the last 7 games, we usually seem to struggle at Burton for some odd reason, Charlton seem to have finally found some form in L1, likewise Blackpool under Bruce and Huddersfield are looking odds on for promotion. An out of form Posh could be the easiest game out of the next 4! At least Shrewsbury looks winnable, if we're not totally shot for confidence by then, and Reading look back in the mire now their sale has collapsed. This season in L1 seems a tough division, you have to question whether this summer was the best one to revert to youth, rather than get some experienced pros in and just try and survive until the likes of Birmingham & Huddersfield are back where they belong. You can win things with youth but you have to have an experienced leader or three also. Where’s the leaders in this squad ? We’re crying out for a Holloway type in midfield. |
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Post by igotgas on Sept 19, 2024 16:15:05 GMT
No genuinely I don’t. I’m not just trying to be argumentative (honest 😜). He’s been really poor and I have no idea what he’s going to offer particularly in a midfield if it includes Lindsay and Conteh. Saturday (first half) we actually played some half decent combination play. We broke their press several times and got into good areas. The problem Saturday was once we’d done that it came to nothing and that was largely down to complete ineffectiveness of the front two. Possession stats mean nothing of course but it was no surprise to me that without Ward we had some very good possession. The challenge is how we convert that into chance creation and end product and how we find some cohesion between the attacking players. My own personal feeling is we won’t do that chopping and changing the players and unsettling the very type of players we’re moaning about not having or having and them not performing. We do have them and we need to play them and allow them to come up with the moments that matter. Creative players need time, trust, belief from themselves and their manager. They will undoubtably make mistakes and wrong decisions but within that they will create moments that win games. I worry that MT doesn’t place that trust in creative players and ends up creating situations where they doubt themselves and become indecisive and hesitant in what they do. I agree the front two offered nothing on Saturday but I also think that promise can lay it off with his back to goal well but needs players going past him/ wide of him. I would say bolingo and Thomas would offer that if they were further up playing as wingers. I don’t think this formation suits Promise at all or the squad for that matter as we don’t really have any natural wing backs and we’re so bloody narrow when in possession. 4231 woukd suit him far better, his build up play and his goal scoring would improve. Completely agree re: formation. I’ve said a couple of times we seem to have recruited for 352 but seem to have players better suited to 4231. Where I’d differ is I’m not sure Bilongo gets in a team playing that formation. I’d have LT and Forde in the wide areas. I just watched the latest training vid and from that I think we can expect Lindsay and Shaw to start with LT Hutchinson, Garrett and Ward all missing out. As I’ve said, my own personal opinion is MT (in respect of the midfield) seems to be trying to find a magic formula and in the process is making a complete mess of the process and basically seeing how much mud he can throw at a wall and seeing what sticks. I think he’s got this wrong. |
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 19, 2024 16:37:03 GMT
I agree the front two offered nothing on Saturday but I also think that promise can lay it off with his back to goal well but needs players going past him/ wide of him. I would say bolingo and Thomas would offer that if they were further up playing as wingers. I don’t think this formation suits Promise at all or the squad for that matter as we don’t really have any natural wing backs and we’re so bloody narrow when in possession. 4231 woukd suit him far better, his build up play and his goal scoring would improve. Completely agree re: formation. I’ve said a couple of times we seem to have recruited for 352 but seem to have players better suited to 4231. Where I’d differ is I’m not sure Bilongo gets in a team playing that formation. I’d have LT and Forde in the wide areas. I just watched the latest training vid and from that I think we can expect Lindsay and Shaw to start with LT Hutchinson, Garrett and Ward all missing out. As I’ve said, my own personal opinion is MT (in respect of the midfield) seems to be trying to find a magic formula and in the process is making a complete mess of the process and basically seeing how much mud he can throw at a wall and seeing what sticks. I think he’s got this wrong. I agree and I don't hate it. I like BB but he's very raw. I think Shaq/LT are quite clearly much better footballers. It's great to have options though. |
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Post by eric on Sept 19, 2024 17:18:39 GMT
Completely agree re: formation. I’ve said a couple of times we seem to have recruited for 352 but seem to have players better suited to 4231. Where I’d differ is I’m not sure Bilongo gets in a team playing that formation. I’d have LT and Forde in the wide areas. I just watched the latest training vid and from that I think we can expect Lindsay and Shaw to start with LT Hutchinson, Garrett and Ward all missing out. As I’ve said, my own personal opinion is MT (in respect of the midfield) seems to be trying to find a magic formula and in the process is making a complete mess of the process and basically seeing how much mud he can throw at a wall and seeing what sticks. I think he’s got this wrong. I agree and I don't hate it. I like BB but he's very raw. I think Shaq/LT are quite clearly much better footballers. It's great to have options though. 100% LT and Shaq have to start in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. BB is ok, may improve but may not - I could only justify a starting place for him as a wingback in a back five on what I’ve seen so far. |
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Post by gassedOut on Sept 20, 2024 9:58:43 GMT
x.com/BristolLiveBRFC/status/1837054648064299403Saw this on Bristol Live, Kofi Shaw close to starting as trying to push his way into the side! Interesting read but getting so many mixed messages and for the wrong reasons! I hope he does start vs Peterborough as we can eventually see if he is strong enough to cope with first team football. From what i have seen so far he is a Talent with the ball at his feet and forward thinking which is refreshing, but pre-season thought he still looked weak and off the ball looks a little lost which is understandable! I think Taylor is being pressured to play him too soon as they want to get a fee for him as he has a few i hear watching his progress and the owners have picked up on it and i feel that is not why we should be chucking on the hope of a quick sale! It says he did really well against Tottenham but 70% of that team were the same age or a year older and most of that team will start popping up in the conference in a year or too. I also think Taylor if he he does start him is also saying after spending 1.3 million + of the owners Money has hasn't bought anyone better than Shaw and to me that is a worry. Its good that a youngster is finally getting his chance but is it a little too early in a team that is still trying to find its feet and positives are being looked at in determent to results.
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Post by igotgas on Sept 20, 2024 10:16:21 GMT
I said this yesterday from watching the training video.
Shaw will start.
Garrett
Hutchinson
Ward
McCormack
Thomas
Will all be left out.
MT has lost his head. Talks about patience, time, developing partnerships and building relationships - for all areas other than midfield it seems.
6 games in and we’ve already seen :-
Ward Conteh Hutchinson
Ward Garrett Conteh
McCormick Garret Ward
Conteh Garrett Hutchinson
Not to mention continuous substitutions on the hour mark chopping and changing one of the above with Shaw, Lindsay, McCormick, Garret.
I’m not sure but I think I can safely say the same midfield haven’t completed more than 60 continuous minutes together yet…..and that includes pre season!!!!
It’s a mess. He should be 6/7 games in now with a pretty settled idea of what’s working not still throwing sh!t at a fan!!!
No wonder it doesn’t look or feel functional.
He’s spent a lot of money and after 6 games he’s resorted to playing the kid out the youth team…..
I agree with the theory above, I think Shaw has attracted attention and on a pro deal his value will soar if he has first team minutes under his belt and it’ll be a good pay day .
It worries me. He looked naive at best in his two appearances so far and Peterborough away won’t be shy….
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Post by yattongas on Sept 20, 2024 10:24:10 GMT
Great to hear that Shaw will be getting a start ! The midfield hasn’t worked so far so things need changing and he’s looked good in the small snippets we’ve seen .
Difficult place to make your debut as an attacking midfielder where we will probably be on the back foot.
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Post by gassedOut on Sept 20, 2024 10:25:23 GMT
I said this yesterday from watching the training video. Shaw will start. Garrett Hutchinson Ward McCormack Thomas Will all be left out. MT has lost his head. Talks about patience, time, developing partnerships and building relationships - for all areas other than midfield it seems. 6 games in and we’ve already seen :- Ward Conteh Hutchinson Ward Garrett Conteh McCormick Garret Ward Conteh Garrett Hutchinson Not to mention continuous substitutions on the hour mark chopping and changing one of the above with Shaw, Lindsay, McCormick, Garret. I’m not sure but I think I can safely say the same midfield haven’t completed more than 60 continuous minutes together yet…..and that includes pre season!!!! It’s a mess. He should be 6/7 games in now with a pretty settled idea of what’s working not still throwing sh!t at a fan!!! No wonder it doesn’t look or feel functional. He’s spent a lot of money and after 6 games he’s resorted to playing the kid out the youth team….. I agree with the theory above, I think Shaw has attracted attention and on a pro deal his value will soar if he has first team minutes under his belt and it’ll be a good pay day . It worries me. He looked naive at best in his two appearances so far and Peterborough away won’t be shy…. Totally agree, I think its a dangerous game to play with a young lad! he got kicked all round Cardiff in pre season and didnt look to be enjoying it at times. Like you say teams like Peterborough will smell blood. Like i said its a tricky one as it could be another excuse, who knows but Taylor is so contradictory it hurts! Im not sure he knows what he is saying from one week to the next! It was only a few weeks ago he said all the young lads need to go and play football and learn their craft as they were not at the Level as yet! The only good result to come from this is Shaw to get MoM come through unscathed, The Gas win and everyone hails Taylor as a genius! Watch this space....... |
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Post by singupgas on Sept 20, 2024 10:56:12 GMT
Be nice to go there and get a result. Can't stand the "we always lose there" attitude, how about we don't do that.
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Post by igotgas on Sept 20, 2024 10:56:34 GMT
Great to hear that Shaw will be getting a start ! The midfield hasn’t worked so far so things need changing and he’s looked good in the small snippets we’ve seen . Difficult place to make your debut as an attacking midfielder where we will probably be on the back foot. I don’t think it’s great news at all. It means the manager and the recruitment has f*cked up and wasted an awful lot of money! It also means the manager hasn’t got a clue what his best side is or even his best midfield or maybe even who his best players are. The midfield hasn’t clicked yet because no one has a bloody clue what their role is or who’s doing what. These things don’t just click they need time patience and coaching!!! Looks like all 3 are lacking! And yes it will be tough as an Attacking Mid when starved of the ball maybe that’s been part of the problem with whoever plays in there? |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 20, 2024 10:58:47 GMT
Great to hear that Shaw will be getting a start ! The midfield hasn’t worked so far so things need changing and he’s looked good in the small snippets we’ve seen . Difficult place to make your debut as an attacking midfielder where we will probably be on the back foot. I don’t think it’s great news at all. It means the manager and the recruitment has f*cked up and wasted an awful lot of money! It also means the manager hasn’t got a clue what his best side is or even his best midfield or maybe even who his best players are. The midfield hasn’t clicked yet because no one has a bloody clue what their role is or who’s doing what. These things don’t just click they need time patience and coaching!!! Looks like all 3 are lacking! And yes it will be tough as an Attacking Mid when starved of the ball maybe that’s been part of the problem with whoever plays in there? That’s your view and you’re entitled to it 🙄😂 |
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