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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 28, 2024 21:10:28 GMT
MT keeping Rotherham in the Champ is probably the best and most ideal situation for his “type” of management to prosper. Getting average players (at the level) to grind out some results being resilient and hard working is entirely different to getting some talented, ambitious albeit inexperienced (at the level) players to go out express themselves and actually win games of football. No one, literally no one will convince me that any player, if coached / handled correctly, who was literally standing out in league two, can suddenly become a struggler 2 months later one league up. And that’s not just Hutchinson who probably had the pick of every league two club and half of league 1 after his numbers last season, it’s also the likes of Joel Senior who couldn’t buy a game before his injury. Add that to players like Sotiriou and Forde who look pale imitations of the players they looked last year and Thomas who is barely recognisable at all. A manager will be judged by results and performances. He’ll get away with one being off if the other is outstanding. His only other outlet if either of those are off is the performances / improvements made in individuals who he’s getting the best out of. As it stands there isn’t one single player anyone could argue that’s he’s getting a tune out of. More worrying is the players currently struggling for form were purchased by him and by his own admission he “presented to” which I took to mean that he watched and analysed and sat down at length with, to explain his thoughts, his plans and why he was signing them and what he would do with them to improve them. I wonder how many of them are questioning what it was he saw / wanted from them? It’s a mess. We've no real idea how the recruitment works, if GF identifies the players and MT is then told to go and do a presentation, I doubt he can refuse. |
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Post by eric on Sept 28, 2024 21:11:10 GMT
He’s not prejudiced he dislikes everyone equally. He did once rule out ever having any more Scottish strikers based on Cameron, Riordon and Reilly not being successful 😂 The club seem to agree given that we've never signed one since Reilly. At least I'm not on here telling everybody I'm not renewing my season ticket like it's some badge of honour to wear. Ah ok must mean there is now an official Policy not to sign any Scots but we’ve not yet seen it so thanks for explaining. Glad the club listened - where would they be without you! FWIW I did end up renewing my ST at the last minute - hadn’t intended to but stupidly thought we’d made some decent signings in the summer. Never tried to claim it as some badge of honour as you weirdly suggest and admitted at the time I would probably still have ended up doing pay on the day and making the club more money. For someone who tries to provoke arguments on here about a hundred times each day you do get flustered when someone has a friendly jibe in your direction 🤣 |
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Post by lg on Sept 28, 2024 21:12:52 GMT
At the start of the season I thought he needed 10 games and see where we are there. I think that is still the sensible option. Only 2 games left on that though and it clearly isn't right. Need a massive turn around in the next couple of games to safe it now
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Post by eric on Sept 28, 2024 21:16:25 GMT
Are there any examples that anyone knows of where a manager has had such a bad start as MT (including second half of last season and the start to this one) and survived and gone on to be a great success?
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 28, 2024 21:17:36 GMT
Are there any examples that anyone knows of where a manager has had such a bad start as MT (including second half of last season and the start to this one) and survived and gone on to be a great success? DC? |
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Post by eric on Sept 28, 2024 21:27:56 GMT
Are there any examples that anyone knows of where a manager has had such a bad start as MT (including second half of last season and the start to this one) and survived and gone on to be a great success? DC? Things turned pretty quickly for DC after a poor opening few games in the conference if I remember correctly although I’ve tried hard to forget that spell in our history! I can’t recall how many games he had after being dropped in it by John Ward the previous season - I certainly didn’t attach any blame to him for those last games in League Two (still angry that Ward swapped Eliot Richards for Alan Gow 😡). |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 28, 2024 21:43:35 GMT
Things turned pretty quickly for DC after a poor opening few games in the conference if I remember correctly although I’ve tried hard to forget that spell in our history! I can’t recall how many games he had after being dropped in it by John Ward the previous season - I certainly didn’t attach any blame to him for those last games in League Two (still angry that Ward swapped Eliot Richards for Alan Gow 😡). NH swapped ER after meeting the Exeter chairman in hospitality, Ward had little to do with it. JB took a while to get us going in L2 after overseeing our relegation the previous season. Pretty sure SteveK was demanding DC was sacked after the Braintree match, so perhaps this is a watershed moment, and it's all upwards from here now he's called MT a fraud earlier. |
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Post by igotgas on Sept 28, 2024 21:45:11 GMT
MT keeping Rotherham in the Champ is probably the best and most ideal situation for his “type” of management to prosper. Getting average players (at the level) to grind out some results being resilient and hard working is entirely different to getting some talented, ambitious albeit inexperienced (at the level) players to go out express themselves and actually win games of football. No one, literally no one will convince me that any player, if coached / handled correctly, who was literally standing out in league two, can suddenly become a struggler 2 months later one league up. And that’s not just Hutchinson who probably had the pick of every league two club and half of league 1 after his numbers last season, it’s also the likes of Joel Senior who couldn’t buy a game before his injury. Add that to players like Sotiriou and Forde who look pale imitations of the players they looked last year and Thomas who is barely recognisable at all. A manager will be judged by results and performances. He’ll get away with one being off if the other is outstanding. His only other outlet if either of those are off is the performances / improvements made in individuals who he’s getting the best out of. As it stands there isn’t one single player anyone could argue that’s he’s getting a tune out of. More worrying is the players currently struggling for form were purchased by him and by his own admission he “presented to” which I took to mean that he watched and analysed and sat down at length with, to explain his thoughts, his plans and why he was signing them and what he would do with them to improve them. I wonder how many of them are questioning what it was he saw / wanted from them? It’s a mess. We've no real idea how the recruitment works, if GF identifies the players and MT is then told to go and do a presentation, I doubt he can refuse. MT stayed quite clearly after we signed Shaq Forde that he was the only player he hadn’t had the opportunity to “present to”. It’s fair to assume that he “presented” to the other signings and it’s also fair to assume that “presenting” to a player is in the attempt to convince him to sign. It’s probably fair to say to do that you’ll have to demonstrate some form of plan on how they’re going to be used and improved. |
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Post by scottleroc on Sept 28, 2024 22:10:15 GMT
It’s really concerning watching the games and does feel a bit like BG where you think the plan is great and you buy into the hype of the players coming in, then it doesn’t work out and turns out the players aren’t actually that good. However, I do think there is something more in these players that needs to be found. I wanted it to work for MT but it just feels like it’s not going to happen.
2 things that I cannot agree with though, Holloway? Definitely not and JB, an even bigger no.
I also cannot get my head around these digs about PE teacher. What does that even mean? That he doesn’t jump up and down shouting and balling, banging his chest? To be honest I couldn’t care less if he’s shouting and balling if he’s successful! DC did seem to get that blend between passion and calmness with the press. Probably the only manager I’d have back.
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Post by orville on Sept 28, 2024 22:24:56 GMT
At the risk of being shot down why not go for Steve Cotterell doing a good job at FGR and successful at various clubs in the past
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Post by igotgas on Sept 28, 2024 22:26:59 GMT
Oh please
You just came up with possibly the only name possible who I’d prefer to keep MT ahead of!!!
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Post by Somersetgas on Sept 28, 2024 22:41:38 GMT
At the risk of being shot down why not go for Steve Cotterell doing a good job at FGR and successful at various clubs in the past Absolutely not. |
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Post by Kipper on Sept 29, 2024 6:15:15 GMT
Far too many inexperienced players brought in to the club in one go.
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Post by orville on Sept 29, 2024 6:20:38 GMT
Duly shot down 😂😂😂
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Post by pirate on Sept 29, 2024 6:41:41 GMT
Rob Elliot worth consideration  |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 29, 2024 7:55:41 GMT
That's another massive leap from managing a small non league club to a L1 league club with a decent fan base?
How would Elliot not be anymore out of his depth than MT?
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 29, 2024 7:58:06 GMT
Far too many inexperienced players brought in to the club in one go. Or poor management of the players since they arrived? We looked a similar mess last season but AM turned them around and got them going in the right direction, unfortunately, MT did the reverse. |
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 29, 2024 8:08:54 GMT
That's another massive leap from managing a small non league club to a L1 league club with a decent fan base? How would Elliot not be anymore out of his depth than MT? I agree. It would be a massive gamble, but it perhaps shows where we are. We aren’t going to attract anyone with pedigree because they will look at us as a basket case. How many managers have we had in the last 5 years? Too many. And as a consequence we aren’t able to build momentum. This season was supposed to be about moulding a young and talented squad to push on over time. Are we being too impatient to allow this to happen? MT needs to make his mind up on his preferred formation and the players to make it work. He is making himself look incompetent by finding eternal excuses, this is his team, these are his tactics, he is the one that is supposed to inspire them and let them express themselves. I don’t fall for this ‘inexperienced’ excuse, it’s not like we’ve signed players who have never played league football before!! Play 4-3-3 or 3-4-3 and have a bloody go!! UTG |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 29, 2024 8:20:57 GMT
DC & JB both were here for a reasonable length of time, I'm not sure many managers would be too concerned that the board are now looking to replace MT.
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 29, 2024 8:25:42 GMT
DC & JB both were here for a reasonable length of time, I'm not sure many managers would be too concerned that the board are now looking to replace MT. No decent ones would! You can imagine the scenario. Hello Mr candidate. You have a squad that we’ve assembled mostly on 2-3 year contracts. You have to work with them and our newly assembled back room staff. There is no money for new signings as we went big (for us) this summer. If you aren’t successful we like to change manager pretty quickly In my opinion we won’t have many managers looking our way! UTG |
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