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Post by peterparker on Jun 18, 2014 5:34:33 GMT
Surely that's what you want? You pick a guy and you let him work. Surely you would want to back him. I don't understand? Read the bit about LL. How does the club allow that to happen? There is a difference between backing the manager and them having free reign on everything |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 6:21:17 GMT
Surely that's what you want? You pick a guy and you let him work. Surely you would want to back him. I don't understand? Agreeing a plan with the manager and letting him get on with delivering his part, absolutely. Abdicating complete responsibility to the point of not knowing what is going on, incompetent.
The manager is responsible for delivering his part of the business, the Chairman is accountable for the lot.
Him having been a CEO of a medium size business he would know this, so that makes his comments even more laughable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 6:30:15 GMT
I expected a more detailed analysis of what went wrong ?? For instance why the scouting network has been so poor, the budgeting so poor, the merchandise and commercial side of the club. my main criticism over the years is this board just focus on the first team and not the overall structures. All im hearing is Ward was crap they shoulnt have backed him. There is more to analyse then that covering many years.
I expected more detail on how they will put it right as all im hearing is signing players from non league. What about everything else at the club ?.
Overall i got the impression they have learnt a bit about the type of player we should sign but im not sure what else. I wanted to hear more humility to.
As for the Criminality stuff it would be the worlds biggest coincidence if they didnt know at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 7:10:30 GMT
Backing the manager too much. So that would be another thing some of us have been saying for ages But depending on how far along that spectrum you wish to sit would see a managerial change after every defeat if some had their way. Those words were to appease fans, nothing else. Another deflection with a tiny bit of 'hands up'. |
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jun 18, 2014 7:48:32 GMT
Typo
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Post by newmarketgas on Jun 18, 2014 8:14:10 GMT
Interesting how people with a set idea will not change it, we as supporters need to question but more than that, we need to help, as was said , how can you complain so much about the BOD and then not attend a Q and A , all you needed to do was join the SC, not much to do IF you really want change but too much to do if you just like to shout on forums. IMO UTG
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Post by peterparker on Jun 18, 2014 8:50:55 GMT
Interesting how people with a set idea will not change it, we as supporters need to question but more than that, we need to help, as was said , how can you complain so much about the BOD and then not attend a Q and A , all you needed to do was join the SC, not much to do IF you really want change but too much to do if you just like to shout on forums. IMO UTG So what
The questions were submitted and they were answered and not exactly answered well.
What would being able to have turned up achieved any more than being able to laugh at the bolloxs they came out with
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 8:54:47 GMT
Interesting how people with a set idea will not change it, we as supporters need to question but more than that, we need to help, as was said , how can you complain so much about the BOD and then not attend a Q and A , all you needed to do was join the SC, not much to do IF you really want change but too much to do if you just like to shout on forums. IMO UTG I have no interest in joining the supporters club as its part of the problem not the solution. Lots of us have had a real go at driving change and failed miserably . You get tired of it in the end. |
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Post by newmarketgas on Jun 18, 2014 8:56:07 GMT
So what ?.......that says it all. Thank you for the reply.
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Post by newmarketgas on Jun 18, 2014 8:57:15 GMT
Dinsdale , as your mate says " So what ".
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Post by Finnish Gas on Jun 18, 2014 9:18:00 GMT
Thanks Ras & seanclevedongas - much appreciated.
Am I the only one that is fed-up with "Board-bashing" and want to return to a quiet life where we all pull together?
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Post by peterparker on Jun 18, 2014 9:18:15 GMT
Newmarket, been there and done it before. . I have been to share scheme Q and As, SC AGMs , SC elections, I questioned Toni Watola nearly ten years ago when he came out with some bullsh*t about affordable losses
The questions were pre-submitted (some which were of similar ilk to mine) and I don’t believe there was much, if any time to push home certain points as they had to get through the questions.
Would turning up have changed their answers? What would a crowd laughing at their cr*p answers achieve.
They can talk about change and learning til they are blue in the face. They have been saying they will learn for years and it is about time they turned words into action
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 9:33:58 GMT
By and large I agree with Finnish and Newmarket. I long for us to pull together in a positive way.
However, surely with the club on its arse its only right those at the top answer some frank questions honesty. I appreciate that its easy to sit on the sidelines and snipe but from the Twitter feed they gave plenty of ammunition.
You can't just blame JW for where we are today. And if you blame LL for saying you can get a player for 1500 then he ends up asking for 3000 then again the BOD are totally shirking responsibility. The first time LL pulled that stunt should have been the last time he did it.
I really hope they have learned some lessons, time will tell I guess....
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 18, 2014 9:37:58 GMT
Interesting how people with a set idea will not change it, we as supporters need to question but more than that, we need to help, as was said , how can you complain so much about the BOD and then not attend a Q and A , all you needed to do was join the SC, not much to do IF you really want change but too much to do if you just like to shout on forums. IMO UTG So what are you doing to help, other than shouting on forums? It works both ways. Why is your set idea that you won't change superior to anyone else's set idea they won't change? What makes a set idea inherently in need of change over, presumably, a non-set idea? Also the idea that you shouldn't criticise if you're not prepared to change things is pretty stupid. Also, the idea that if you went to the meeting and asked a question you'd have more credibility complaining about the BoD etc is stupid. Also, the idea that if you really do want change going to the meeting would somehow have facilitated this is bizarre in the circumstances. Honestly, matey, everything you say is horseshit. |
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Post by markczgas on Jun 18, 2014 10:39:18 GMT
Interesting how people with a set idea will not change it, we as supporters need to question but more than that, we need to help, as was said , how can you complain so much about the BOD and then not attend a Q and A , all you needed to do was join the SC, not much to do IF you really want change but too much to do if you just like to shout on forums. IMO UTG |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 12:35:57 GMT
If you want to swallow the outright lies then that is your prerogative. Norburn went from being days away from fitness to being dismissed. The rubbish said about this is nonsense and just an outright fabrication. The stuff said about there being no Rovers without them is incredible as they are the ones who put us where we are. Nick Higgs is an unmitigated disaster who has "led" us to two relegations and out of the FL. The scapegoating of Ward and not taking responsibility for so much else is beyond me. Not admitting that Gow was a board appointment. Boy, I can't believe the lengths some will go to, to believe there is good in this board. I guess those that say " I'll support Rovers whatever league they are in " should be careful what they wish for. We had deflection, scapegoating, distraction and outright mistruth. This lot do not have the capacity to accept any responsibility and then act upon that to redress the situation. We are left we the promises of the magic beans that the UWE will supposedly bring. What a load of ball bags. The twitter feed made no mention of them taking collective responsibility. They just made excuse after excuse on why it was not their fault. Ward, strikers, injuries, ground etc. unbelievable hubris, arrogant and conceited bunch who made it clear they will do as they see fit. Exactly But some will never accept truth even when its staring them in the face. You know, I think it's not so much not accepting the truth but is more about denial of the very real and water poor situation we are in. I actually get why some are like this, it's the loyalty card. Believe it or not I am a fiercely loyal man who would stand at the gates of Hell to fight injustice and for my friends and family BUT I will not be blindly loyal and this is the crux if what our board are playing upon and are expertly using and manipulating to keep themselves out of range. Whilst I applaud this loyalty, I just cannot, will not, be a part of it. By continuing to give then my money, I am supporing a corrupt and disengaged group who are so distant to reality that it does not even bear thinking about. I have had abuse and threats via email and social networks for voicing my opinion. The only way to make a start is to not go until this board understand how they have both taken the club to It's lowest point in history and abused everything that was once good about what was OUR club. They have ripped the heart out of what was probably one of the most loyal fanbase in the country. The way they conducted themselves last night shows they have completely lost their way and any grip on reality. I know how I will deal with it but it is up to each person to soul search and fund their own answers. I felt 5hit after relegation but I feel much worse after the abject dismissal of us last night. It really is like a bereavement. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 12:51:32 GMT
Interesting how people with a set idea will not change it, we as supporters need to question but more than that, we need to help, as was said , how can you complain so much about the BOD and then not attend a Q and A , all you needed to do was join the SC, not much to do IF you really want change but too much to do if you just like to shout on forums. IMO UTG Hmm, The flaw in your logic comes in when anyone who joins the SC realises it has no real power and is a tool for coach travel and the facilitate the boards will. It is yet another example of blind loyalty Newmarket. I was an SC, helpline member but not now. If you think logically then you see that being a part of it is to actively prop up and defend the board. There is a lot of naively among SC members. As I have said before, I applaud the hard work by many in the SC but I do not feel the same about blind loyalty. I have been to previous meetings and known it was a waste of my time, petrol and breath. The meetings are an appeasement at best but last night it was a massive put down of the supporters. What would have been different, were I and others like me, have turned up ? We would have heard the sane stuff. We were dismissed en masse last night as basically told that we would have no club if not for that bunch. It was a threat but a passive aggressive one. I'm afraid, on this occasion, your thinking is flawed my friend and I usually agree with most of what you say. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 13:13:21 GMT
Interesting how people with a set idea will not change it, we as supporters need to question but more than that, we need to help, as was said , how can you complain so much about the BOD and then not attend a Q and A , all you needed to do was join the SC, not much to do IF you really want change but too much to do if you just like to shout on forums. IMO UTG So what are you doing to help, other than shouting on forums? It works both ways. Why is your set idea that you won't change superior to anyone else's set idea they won't change? What makes a set idea inherently in need of change over, presumably, a non-set idea? Also the idea that you shouldn't criticise if you're not prepared to change things is pretty stupid. Also, the idea that if you went to the meeting and asked a question you'd have more credibility complaining about the BoD etc is stupid. Also, the idea that if you really do want change going to the meeting would somehow have facilitated this is bizarre in the circumstances. Honestly, matey, everything you say is horseshit. As much as I agree with you AF, I don't think it helpful to be name calling. You are obviously a very intelligent guy who writes well with back in your arguments. You have no need to call someone stupid mate, you make most of us look daft just with your words  |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 18, 2014 13:37:25 GMT
So what are you doing to help, other than shouting on forums? It works both ways. Why is your set idea that you won't change superior to anyone else's set idea they won't change? What makes a set idea inherently in need of change over, presumably, a non-set idea? Also the idea that you shouldn't criticise if you're not prepared to change things is pretty stupid. Also, the idea that if you went to the meeting and asked a question you'd have more credibility complaining about the BoD etc is stupid. Also, the idea that if you really do want change going to the meeting would somehow have facilitated this is bizarre in the circumstances. Honestly, matey, everything you say is horseshit. As much as I agree with you AF, I don't think it helpful to be name calling. You are obviously a very intelligent guy who writes well with back in your arguments. You have no need to call someone stupid mate, you make most of us look daft just with your words Fair enough. |
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Post by newmarketgas on Jun 18, 2014 13:38:14 GMT
Antonio, thank you for your ability to show us all how not to behave on a forum, you don't like my ideas and I guess I don't like yours but have I called you names ? if you want to bring this down to a kiddies playground argument then so be it. If I go onto the other forum and shout BOD out every ten seconds I become a better person ? now that is horseshit. I do like the way you put horse sh** into a reply from a person with a horse in the picture, erudite indeed. UTG
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