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Post by bs10er on Jun 18, 2014 21:30:32 GMT
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answers; No Jim Chappell gave no examples nor was he asked to give any.
Mood at the end; Well I guess that is the big question. Can only think some were left feeling no better,others were prehaps more inclined to feel last season was a disaster,lets move on. DC I think would have pleased most there with the things he had to say.
I also felt(in my opinion and I have to own up to the fact that I feel BSS does as good a job as he can,and a lot of the stick he has got is unfair)both fans directors came over passionate and caring.
Fans who were there had the chance AFTER the meeting had ended,to talk to whoever they liked,I only spoke briefly to BB myself as I had to get away to get home.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 21:32:30 GMT
Thanks for the info bs10er - very interesting. |
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jun 18, 2014 21:48:06 GMT
Please don't think i am anti-board, i want whats best for our great club. Respectful dignified questioning is needed to make sure no stone is unturned and we never sink as low again Below is another example this evening of my concerns: Geoff Dunford @geoffdunford 48m eastvilleern We should have signed a quality striker for League 2. Board should have insisted as a priority Paul Robinson @paulrobinson20 14m @geoffdunford no just keep telling us it'll all be fine. How about we sign some players now #clueless Geoff Dunford @geoffdunford 12m @paulrobinson20 You want to over rule Darrell? Let him do his job! Jon the Stripe Jon the Stripe 9m @geoffdunford In fairness Geoff,You Tweeted you should have over ruled JW. By insisting on signing striker a priority #UTG Geoff Dunford @geoffdunford 12m Jon the Stripe @paulrobinson20 Difference being Darrell has kept us informed of who he wants and timescales Jon. Jon the Stripe Jon the Stripe 8m @geoffdunford Appreciate your reply G. You trusted JW once, we're just worried the same could happen again. Respect your comments tonight |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 23:51:00 GMT
What was there to respect in his comments Jon ?
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Post by Hugo Admin on Jun 19, 2014 0:07:49 GMT
More respect for making any comment at all is how I read it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 4:37:40 GMT
What was there to respect in his comments Indeed Talking and communicating with your customers is a cause for "respect"? The mind boggles. |
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Post by peterparker on Jun 19, 2014 5:44:56 GMT
Fair one. Why BSS hasn't been employed to do the PR I just don't know. He would be perfect for it. Especially if he is a valued member of the board |
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jun 19, 2014 5:48:48 GMT
What was there to respect in his comments Jon ? KP, i may not be happy with the answers. But i respect he answered me. |
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Post by peterparker on Jun 19, 2014 5:49:39 GMT
Those tweers are only have of it.
Geoff goes on about time to sort things in the summer, we survived on nothing at Twerton, didnt really see the point about being prepared for relevation cost wise.
Just sums up Rovers make it up as they go along, it will be alright attitude and that is why we are where we are. How the feck do they run succesful businesses?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 6:14:46 GMT
Wohat was there to respect in his comments Indeed Talking and communicating with your customers is a cause for "respect"? The mind boggles. Praise improves performance. Criticism improves excuses. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 6:17:03 GMT
Those tweet only have of it. Geoff goes on about time to sort things in the summer, we survived on nothing at Twerton, didnt really see the point about being prepared for relevation cost wise. Just sums up Rovers make it up as they go along, it will be alright attitude and that is why we are where we are. How the feck do they run succesful businesses? But of course, blind respect is the order of the day. I understand that there was a quite important board meeting yesterday afternoon. Perhaps they were reviewing the skill sets around the table.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 6:27:07 GMT
Indeed Talking and communicating with your cuFollows is a cause for "respect"? The mind boggles. Praise improves performance. Criticism improves excuses. Hugo This is not an exercise in HR theory. I do not know if you have ever attended an AGM, I can assure you praise and congratulations FOLLOWS good performance, not presumes, nor leaves poor performance unchallenged. Our board appear to not be willing to accept the shocking performance that has occured since the promotion year, and a acquiescent, supine, support enables this to continue. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 6:39:48 GMT
Praise improves performance. Criticism improves excuses. Hugo This is not an exercise in HR theory. I do not know if you have ever attended an AGM, I can assure you praise and congratulations FOLLOWS good performance, not presumes, nor leaves poor performance unchallenged. Our board appear to not be willing to accept the shocking performance that has occured since the promotion year, and a acquiescent, supine, support enables this to continue. The comment made was because JTS said he respected GD for his reply. Now Jon doesn't need me or anyone else to defend him but when people suggest that respecting someone for answering a direct question is being supine or blind then I will argue that. Giving positive feedback when someone does something right is always a good thing. Equally, finding constructive ways to point out where things are wrong is needed. It's perfectly possible to show mutual respect even when you may have very different views. Sadly, these days respect seems to be a show of weakness. For the record, so we are clear I would personally like the current board to succeed, but they need to listen and change. They have failed very badly, sustained that failure and this year they have improved on it! They are rightly being questioned. Do they have the answers? I don't think they do, but I hope they do. |
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Post by fanboy on Jun 19, 2014 8:20:44 GMT
Please don't think i am anti-board, i want whats best for our great club. Respectful dignified questioning is needed to make sure no stone is unturned and we never sink as low again Below is another example this evening of my concerns: Geoff Dunford @geoffdunford 48m eastvilleern We should have signed a quality striker for League 2. Board should have insisted as a priority Paul Robinson @paulrobinson20 14m @geoffdunford no just keep telling us it'll all be fine. How about we sign some players now #clueless Geoff Dunford @geoffdunford 12m @paulrobinson20 You want to over rule Darrell? Let him do his job! Jon the Stripe Jon the Stripe 9m @geoffdunford In fairness Geoff,You Tweeted you should have over ruled JW. By insisting on signing striker a priority #UTG Geoff Dunford @geoffdunford 12m Jon the Stripe @paulrobinson20 Difference being Darrell has kept us informed of who he wants and timescales Jon. Jon the Stripe Jon the Stripe 8m @geoffdunford Appreciate your reply G. You trusted JW once, we're just worried the same could happen again. Respect your comments tonight I actually quite like his response! If you ask in the right way he will respond. Some have spoke rudely to him, and then cry about it when they get a negative response!! |
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Post by Mancgas has left the building on Jun 19, 2014 14:24:54 GMT
Fair one. Why BSS hasn't been employed to do the PR I just don't know. He would be perfect for it. Especially if he is a valued member of the board I may have agreed with you a few weeks ago based on Tuesday no way - he was a soundbite king imo, and didnt read mood of the crowd at all. |
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Post by Mancgas has left the building on Jun 19, 2014 14:39:39 GMT
The board including the fans directors said they were collectively (along with the management team)to blame for our relegation. They are actively looking for new investors and board members that not only have money but the skill sets that the board are currently lacking. The boards main failure as they see it was to back the managers too much - they have learned from that and will not do that in future. They will gladly look at alternatives to the forum but could not allow it to continue because of the stupid libelous comments on there. They were very surprised at the suggestion of an outsider conducting the review as it was never a consideration (how would it work?) The first they heard about the illegal activities regarding a certain player was after he left the club. If it had been the case he would have been sacked not had a payoff. Mcgoo really did a good selling job on the board regarding Kenneth and what he would bring to the club.
NH stated he thought our problems started with Lennie Lawrence and the way he conducted contract negotiations he gave an example where LL said we could get a player for £1500 per week but told the player we would pay £3000 week, his agent then asked for £3500 knowing we would settle on £3000.
He thought Penny would have been a good manager for us and confirmed the players forced him outSeriously guys what else did you expect them to say/do? Anyone who had a burning question/ point to make had the opportunity to do that face to face tonight (through the process provided) and will have the chance at the open forum (whenever that is) Plenty seem quick to criticize every response or action but no one is actually stepping forward with any viable alternatives to what the board do - just offer more criticism To be fair I thought they conducted themselves pretty well tonight (especially DC) although some responses were a bit wishy washy - but so were some of the questions. Dont remember highlighted bits at all from the public forum - did you speak to him privately ? Cant see how a chairman who says we wouldnt be where we are without the Board, and a FD who states we were in danger of relegation only in the 70 minutes of the last game, and who freely admitted they had not assessed potential costs of relegation in their business plan can count as conducting themselves well. Also it highlights EXACTLY the sort of issue an independent review of the club would pick up but also confirms why such a thing would never happen - it may cause people to admit their systemic failings. Plenty have offered their help, we have marketing experts, financial whiz kids, risk and governance managers who would willingly help establish modern day approaches and systems of control and policies which would give the club transparency, and make communication easier But its easy and convenient to hide behind the cloak of confidentiality - just look at Wycombe - their trust shares every financial detail with every supporter regularly, but we role out 'confidentiality' when questions get tough. So true openness and good governance will never happen at BRFC with so many vested interests. So we can challenge as much as people can be bothered to - the ladies are not for turning. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 15:59:05 GMT
The board including the fans directors said they were collectively (along with the management team)to blame for our relegation. They are actively looking for new investors and board members that not only have money but the skill sets that the board are currently lacking. The boards main failure as they see it was to back the managers too much - they have learned from that and will not do that in future. They will gladly look at alternatives to the forum but could not allow it to continue because of the stupid libelous comments on there. They were very surprised at the suggestion of an outsider conducting the review as it was never a consideration (how would it work?) The first they heard about the illegal activities regarding a certain player was after he left the club. If it had been the case he would have been sacked not had a payoff. Mcgoo really did a good selling job on the board regarding Kenneth and what he would bring to the club.
NH stated he thought our problems started with Lennie Lawrence and the way he conducted contract negotiations he gave an example where LL said we could get a player for £1500 per week but told the player we would pay £3000 week, his agent then asked for £3500 knowing we would settle on £3000.
He thought Penny would have been a good manager for us and confirmed the players forced him outSeriously guys what else did you expect them to say/do? Anyone who had a burning question/ point to make had the opportunity to do that face to face tonight (through the process provided) and will have the chance at the open forum (whenever that is) Plenty seem quick to criticize every response or action but no one is actually stepping forward with any viable alternatives to what the board do - just offer more criticism To be fair I thought they conducted themselves pretty well tonight (especially DC) although some responses were a bit wishy washy - but so were some of the questions. Dont remember highlighted bits at all from the public forum - did you speak to him privately ? Cant see how a chairman who says we wouldnt be where we are without the Board, and a FD who states we were in danger of relegation only in the 70 minutes of the last game, and who freely admitted they had not assessed potential costs of relegation in their business plan can count as conducting themselves well. Also it highlights EXACTLY the sort of issue an independent review of the club would pick up but also confirms why such a thing would never happen - it may cause people to admit their systemic failings. Plenty have offered their help, we have marketing experts, financial whiz kids, risk and governance managers who would willingly help establish modern day approaches and systems of control and policies which would give the club transparency, and make communication easier But its easy and convenient to hide behind the cloak of confidentiality - just look at Wycombe - their trust shares every financial detail with every supporter regularly, but we role out 'confidentiality' when questions get tough. So true openness and good governance will never happen at BRFC with so many vested interests. So we can challenge as much as people can be bothered to - the ladies are not for turning. There you go, spot on. Its not even difficult us it, to comprehend. Yet... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 17:01:08 GMT
I thought Wycombe were fan trust owned?
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Post by seanclevedongas on Jun 19, 2014 17:37:52 GMT
Dont remember highlighted bits at all from the public forum - did you speak to him privately ? Cant see how a chairman who says we wouldnt be where we are without the Board, and a FD who states we were in danger of relegation only in the 70 minutes of the last game, and who freely admitted they had not assessed potential costs of relegation in their business plan can count as conducting themselves well. Also it highlights EXACTLY the sort of issue an independent review of the club would pick up but also confirms why such a thing would never happen - it may cause people to admit their systemic failings. Plenty have offered their help, we have marketing experts, financial whiz kids, risk and governance managers who would willingly help establish modern day approaches and systems of control and policies which would give the club transparency, and make communication easier But its easy and convenient to hide behind the cloak of confidentiality - just look at Wycombe - their trust shares every financial detail with every supporter regularly, but we role out 'confidentiality' when questions get tough. So true openness and good governance will never happen at BRFC with so many vested interests. So we can challenge as much as people can be bothered to - the ladies are not for turning. There you go, spot on. Its not even difficult us it, to comprehend. Yet... Hi Manc Yes I spoke with him afterwards, he was frank and open. |
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