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Post by Mancgas has left the building on Jan 25, 2016 16:59:14 GMT
I heard last week of a Latvian under 21 international midfielder/striker coming to England looking for a club,so going into the ground yesterday I saw Ian Holtby and Marcus Stewart and started to tell them of the player,i was given the brush off and told to get the player to write to the club asking for a trial,like he is going to do that. It strikes me that a) the club aren't interested in new players and b) definitely not interested in recommendations from anyone outside of the inner circle. This is not the first time over the years have recommended a player to the club and have been ignored,but it will definitely be the last reminds me of the old adage 'offence can only be taken, not given'. You use the emotive laden phrase 'given the brush off', as well as 'ignored' but it was a match day so maybe MS could be cut a bit of slack when he's trying to do his job; namely help get US a win on THIS day? Why not write to them instead of interrupt a professional doing his job. Full detailsof how to get a trial are on the web site for EVERYONE to see, even plebs like me. They are very short & simple. In an age where few people seem to value information and clear procedures I'm suprised that an older gentleman can't manage to see the positive side of this. If they had spoke to you for 1min and then said "tell him to come along at 10am on Tuesday" I'd actually be unhappier as any job has to have a workable, professional system in place. Indeed they are on the website, but I don't know anyone who ever got even an acknowledgement from that process. I've recommended many players who've gone on to play league football spotted playing local football here in Cornwall and in Manchester where I used to live, including Anthony Pilkington when he was playing local league stuff i North West Counties and Keiffer Moore when he'd just joined Truro, including video clips and not a single response. I know DC has said they welcome suggestions and will now follow them up. But there needs to be a more organised feedback loop so people know they are not just wasting their time. No one minds if someone just replies to say we've considered and no interest in watching him play or we've had a report and he's not for us, its just a black hole at the moment. Co-coordinating a simple referral / feedback spreadsheet would be a way the fans directors could actually add some value,it would take 30 minutes a week and make fans feel involved and, who knows, find a future Pilkington playing for Liskeard or similar People take the p*ss out of Gashead Wes and others, but having been on forums for a long time I can tell you 2 of the better researched recommendations were Charlie Austin when at Poole (he was signed by Swindon months later) and a chap called Vardy, whom I'm certain I've heard of since, who'd just moved to Halifax from a lowly non league team.......... Fact is there's quite a few Rovers fans who've played the game at a decent level, who watch hundreds of games a year and spend rest of time reading and researching the game. Cant see why people don't think this is something any club should harness in a better way than an email black hole.Other clubs do...... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 17:04:08 GMT
Oh, and if it is Gutkovskis that the OP is talking about, he has recently been begging for a move to Rangers, with his agent getting involved in paper talk to try and push a deal through. Their manager doesn't think he's good enough. Even if he is, the idea that BRFC can compete with Rangers in terms of wages isn't even worth talking about. I await to see who he signs for on Tuesday, but it won't be someone with a budget like ours. Didn't say he was signing I said he had a trial Padstow, I'm not being funny but why is his name got to be a secret? Surely if he is so desperate fir s trial why aren't you shouting his name from the rooftop? That's what id be doing. I don't get this ohh his name is a secret. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 25, 2016 18:10:12 GMT
Didn't say he was signing I said he had a trial Padstow, I'm not being funny but why is his name got to be a secret? Surely if he is so desperate fir s trial why aren't you shouting his name from the rooftop? That's what id be doing. I don't get this ohh his name is a secret. God, you are so ignorant of Latvian football. His name is Secret. Gregorz Secret. Cant believe you didn't know that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 18:38:03 GMT
Not at all disappointed. I just wondered because he used to give out shed loads of names of players for the club to take a look at. I was merely wondering if it was you in a different guise. No I don't have the time or inclination to spend the hours Wes does watching videos of of players,just as an aside I did what everyone is telling me I should have done and write to the club at the beginning of last season regarding keeping an eye on Bradley Ash at Weston, was told no interest and didn't think he was good enough to get into Westons side,how right can you be?Who is he signed for now at a fee not dissimilar to that which we paid for Gaffney.Someone must see something in him Weren't you quoting that Cambridge originally paid £200k for Gaffney a week or two ago? I'm not sure how you'd know the fee we paid for Gaffney if you wrongly said £200k when it was in the public domain that he was out of contract at Limerick. Bradley Ash might not make it, so he isn't a success story of any kind (yet). He was attracting interest from Championship and League One clubs with far bigger budgets than our own, who can afford to take risks on young players like Ash and pay a decent fee to Weston. Ash wasn't scoring regularly at Conference South level in 2013/14, and so we couldn't take the risk of having him in and around our first team squad at the level above. Budgets are about choices, we aren't a club that can pay transfer fees for players who won't be ready for 2/3 years without scuppering our own first team. Even if we could, Birmingham/Barnsley's wage structure allows risk players like Ash, BRFC's doesn't. Also, I really, really can't see that a staff member from BRFC would say something like the statement in bold about a teenager given we regularly loan our youth players out at that level and below. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 25, 2016 18:53:58 GMT
What p1sses me off about Rovers under DC is that we don't give non league players like Leadbitter, Taylor, Sinclair, Clarke, even Blisset, a chance, nor take the risk on signing young untried players like Gaffney. I just wish we could turn the clock back to the Buckle, McGhee & Ward eras where we really gave non league players a chance to make it.  |
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 26, 2016 10:27:30 GMT
What p1sses me off about Rovers under DC is that we don't give non league players like Leadbitter, Taylor, Sinclair, Clarke, even Blisset, a chance, nor take the risk on signing young untried players like Gaffney. I just wish we could turn the clock back to the Buckle, McGhee & Ward eras where we really gave non league players a chance to make it. oh you tease! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 10:36:19 GMT
Padstow, if the guy has a trial game set up, perhaps some one from the club could go if it is not behind closed doors. I'd suggest that you still let the club know the details. Not my problem Don't take this the wrong way Padstow, but you are coming across as a bit of a bell here mate! |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 26, 2016 11:02:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 14:46:07 GMT
No I don't have the time or inclination to spend the hours Wes does watching videos of of players,just as an aside I did what everyone is telling me I should have done and write to the club at the beginning of last season regarding keeping an eye on Bradley Ash at Weston, was told no interest and didn't think he was good enough to get into Westons side,how right can you be?Who is he signed for now at a fee not dissimilar to that which we paid for Gaffney.Someone must see something in him Weren't you quoting that Cambridge originally paid £200k for Gaffney a week or two ago? I'm not sure how you'd know the fee we paid for Gaffney if you wrongly said £200k when it was in the public domain that he was out of contract at Limerick. Bradley Ash might not make it, so he isn't a success story of any kind (yet). He was attracting interest from Championship and League One clubs with far bigger budgets than our own, who can afford to take risks on young players like Ash and pay a decent fee to Weston. Ash wasn't scoring regularly at Conference South level in 2013/14, and so we couldn't take the risk of having him in and around our first team squad at the level above. Budgets are about choices, we aren't a club that can pay transfer fees for players who won't be ready for 2/3 years without scuppering our own first team. Even if we could, Birmingham/Barnsley's wage structure allows risk players like Ash, BRFC's doesn't. Also, I really, really can't see that a staff member from BRFC would say something like the statement in bold about a teenager given we regularly loan our youth players out at that level and below. A few points to answer your questions firstly I quoted the figure I read in the newspaper I bought whilst working in Ireland,secodly at the time Ash wouyld not have commanded either a fee or a large wage so how you say we couldn't afford him is beyond me,but if that is the case lets scrap the youth set up because we cannot afford to take the youngsters that come through there on to the paid staff.Thirdly I do not see how the bold print happened because I did not type or intend tp type the statement on that manner |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 14:52:03 GMT
Didn't say he was signing I said he had a trial Padstow, I'm not being funny but why is his name got to be a secret? Surely if he is so desperate fir s trial why aren't you shouting his name from the rooftop? That's what id be doing. I don't get this ohh his name is a secret. It was a request from the player,now whether that is because on something in his native country or frightened of being mocked at home if he doesn't make it and his name is circulated in this country I did not ask just respected his wishes.As for shouting it from the rooftops that is a sure way of alerting other clubs.A number of years ago I told one of my sons of some players Rovers were after in close season,he promptly posted this on a forum and I got a rather stern lecture from a director about that same thing |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 14:53:57 GMT
Don't take this the wrong way Padstow, but you are coming across as a bit of a bell here mate! Easy cure to that is anything I hear,like how much we paid for Gaffney,will stay with me |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 14:57:01 GMT
Weren't you quoting that Cambridge originally paid £200k for Gaffney a week or two ago? I'm not sure how you'd know the fee we paid for Gaffney if you wrongly said £200k when it was in the public domain that he was out of contract at Limerick. Bradley Ash might not make it, so he isn't a success story of any kind (yet). He was attracting interest from Championship and League One clubs with far bigger budgets than our own, who can afford to take risks on young players like Ash and pay a decent fee to Weston. Ash wasn't scoring regularly at Conference South level in 2013/14, and so we couldn't take the risk of having him in and around our first team squad at the level above. Budgets are about choices, we aren't a club that can pay transfer fees for players who won't be ready for 2/3 years without scuppering our own first team. Even if we could, Birmingham/Barnsley's wage structure allows risk players like Ash, BRFC's doesn't. Also, I really, really can't see that a staff member from BRFC would say something like the statement in bold about a teenager given we regularly loan our youth players out at that level and below. A few points to answer your questions firstly I quoted the figure I read in the newspaper I bought whilst working in Ireland,secodly at the time Ash wouyld not have commanded either a fee or a large wage so how you say we couldn't afford him is beyond me,but if that is the case lets scrap the youth set up because we cannot afford to take the youngsters that come through there on to the paid staff.Thirdly I do not see how the bold print happened because I did not type or intend tp type the statement on that manner Just gone back to my original post and the words you have emphasised were not emphasised in the original,hope that sorts that out |
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Post by peterpirate on Jan 26, 2016 14:58:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 16:06:55 GMT
There was a time when a Rovers manager gave a trial to a goalkeeper from Cornwall on the strength of a recommendation from the clubs tea lady.
Another problem approaching Marcus Stewart is that he doesn't get on with Clarke so perhaps you should have gone straight to the top Padstow?
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Post by curlywurly on Jan 27, 2016 12:02:21 GMT
Padstow, if the guy has a trial game set up, perhaps some one from the club could go if it is not behind closed doors. I'd suggest that you still let the club know the details. Not my problem  |
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Post by curlywurly on Jan 27, 2016 12:02:57 GMT
There was a time when a Rovers manager gave a trial to a goalkeeper from Cornwall on the strength of a recommendation from the clubs tea lady. Another problem approaching Marcus Stewart is that he doesn't get on with Clarke so perhaps you should have gone straight to the top Padstow? Bollocks |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 12:06:52 GMT
There was a time when a Rovers manager gave a trial to a goalkeeper from Cornwall on the strength of a recommendation from the clubs tea lady. Another problem approaching Marcus Stewart is that he doesn't get on with Clarke so perhaps you should have gone straight to the top Padstow? Bollocks Tis true about Martyn, not sure about Stewart & Clarke, first I've heard about that. |
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Post by curlywurly on Jan 27, 2016 12:10:12 GMT
Tis true about Martyn, not sure about Stewart & Clarke, first I've heard about that. Sorry, I should have said that the second part was bollocks. The Nigel Martyn story is part of Rovers folklore. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 27, 2016 12:35:00 GMT
I'd just like to say I'm available.
I'm more of a right winger, although I can play on the left or as an attacking wingback. I can also fill in as a number 10, if required.
Although, to be fair, at 48 yrs old, I probably don't get up and down quite as quickly as I used to.
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Post by curlywurly on Jan 27, 2016 12:40:59 GMT
I'd just like to say I'm available. I'm more of a right winger, although I can play on the left or as an attacking wingback. I can also fill in as a number 10, if required. Although, to be fair, at 48 yrs old, I probably don't get up and down quite as quickly as I used to. E-mail the club as directed and a trial can be arranged. Just don't say that padstow is your agent as you'll get the brush-off. |
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