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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 24, 2016 13:33:06 GMT
Good debating skills bro. hey, I'm not pro or against anything. In reality I couldn't care less about what happens I doubt much will change either way. It's just interesting how deeply wound up everyone gets. I'm just looking out for the vaginas mate. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 24, 2016 13:40:52 GMT
Good debating skills bro. hey, I'm not pro or against anything. In reality I couldn't care less about what happens I doubt much will change either way. It's just interesting how deeply wound up everyone gets. I'm just looking out for the vaginas mate. A noble cause I can get into... Actually I who am I kidding.  |
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Post by baggins on Mar 24, 2016 13:48:05 GMT
Good debating skills bro. hey, I'm not pro or against anything. In reality I couldn't care less about what happens I doubt much will change either way. It's just interesting how deeply wound up everyone gets. I'm just looking out for the vaginas mate. Did you just say vagina? Christ, if I'd have known that wasn't filtered I'd have a vagina field day! Vagina. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 24, 2016 14:21:25 GMT
hey, I'm not pro or against anything. In reality I couldn't care less about what happens I doubt much will change either way. It's just interesting how deeply wound up everyone gets. I'm just looking out for the vaginas mate. Did you just say vagina? Christ, if I'd have known that wasn't filtered I'd have a vagina field day! Vagina. Don't be surprised if an unscrupulous Moderator changes the word Baggins to Baggins in the swear filter. Not that I would do such a thing you understand. You complete Baggins you. Ahem. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 15:03:30 GMT
Sterling will plummet for a few days (maybe a week). Many believe this is because the markets don't like uncertainty, but it will only plummet because about half the traders don't like uncertainty. Sterling will then bounce back. Half the traders will have made a killing betting on it going down and will then start making money by backing it going the other way. The only people in the real world who will win/lose out are those small companies who import/export (the big companies have much better and normally fixed rates, or can wait it out) and those people going on holiday in June/July. In other news, anyone else in New York the second week of July...? Market traders are f**king parasites. No offense Nobby. No offence taken Hugo. I'm just an IT bod ! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 15:04:38 GMT
Vagina......Nope, it doesn't work.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 25, 2016 8:47:01 GMT
Why would sterling plummet just because we leave the EU, we could well become a financial safe heaven as the rest of the EU disintegrates? Regardless house prices wouldn't become unaffordable there would just be a house price correction, which is really what the young people of this country to make property affordable again. Just more scare mongering why don't the "stay supporters come up with the positives if staying in rather than trying to find negatives which don't exists? Yesterday it was £500m higher energy bills which actually translates to 20p/40p a week price increases for most energy users. This is bang on. The scaremongering is ridiculous and the fact that they are failing to come up with proper debate makes me(a fence sitter), really believe that leaving is the way to go. My views as well, perhaps it's all a con and the "pros" really want us to vote out? There just doesn't seem any reasonable debute about the pros of staying in, at this rate I'll vote to leave then realise I should really have voted to stay in. |
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Post by inee on Mar 25, 2016 16:33:37 GMT
I think the reason there's no word from either camps is because they have been silenced, every time someone in either camp says something they seem to get shut down very quickly, i mean look at poor old boris , he said he wants out and the pm had a massive hissy fit about him not supporting the governments line , now correct me if im wrong but the whole point of a referendum is for everyone to have their say either yes or no, not say wanting to leave but being forced to toe the party line, that's not democracy ,thats an uncle joe stitch up, me im still in the out camp, even though stuffs so much cheaper to get sent from bulgaria or germans and f**kin wierdly bloody delivered quicker than uk mail ,by royal mail lmao. but china's still cheaper.
Thing is if we vote out the other countries in europe will still buy our goods same as we will still buy from them, also don't let the talk of being more open to terrorism fool you if we leave europe, as the uk leads in counterterrorism as we have grown up with terrorist threats and terrorist operating on uk soil. Remember the same lines being trotted out by bLIAR to try and force an identity card through
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Post by baggins on Mar 26, 2016 11:28:33 GMT
Vagina......Nope, it doesn't work. My ex used to say that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 8:15:05 GMT
TATA to sell loss making British steel plantsChina has been flooding the world market with cheap steel, sold below cost price. The USA imposed tariffs of about 266% on Chinese steel, and made and implemented that decision in a matter of weeks. It saved the US steel industry. The EU, after months and months decided to impose a tariff of 24%. That decision made no impact whatsoever, and the European steel industry cannot compete with the Chinese and their state subsidised prices. The British government cannot bail out the steel industry, as it would go against EU rules regarding state aid. It cannot raise the tariff, as this is decided by the EU, so the steel industry will close, and jobs will be lost, and there is nothing our democratically elected government can do about it. EU = Good for British business?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 8:15:53 GMT
Vagina......Nope, it doesn't work. My ex used to say that. It's your fault for asking her to 'turn over'! |
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Post by supergas on Mar 30, 2016 9:26:57 GMT
TATA to sell loss making British steel plantsChina has been flooding the world market with cheap steel, sold below cost price. The USA imposed tariffs of about 266% on Chinese steel, and made and implemented that decision in a matter of weeks. It saved the US steel industry. The EU, after months and months decided to impose a tariff of 24%. That decision made no impact whatsoever, and the European steel industry cannot compete with the Chinese and their state subsidised prices. The British government cannot bail out the steel industry, as it would go against EU rules regarding state aid. It cannot raise the tariff, as this is decided by the EU, so the steel industry will close, and jobs will be lost, and there is nothing our democratically elected government can do about it. EU = Good for British business? They could buy it out but that goes against the wishes of the people who voted for our current government. I'd love to know what the workers in the affected plants think, because I would bet the Unions and the local politicians are so pro-EU and anti-Tory that whatever happens it wasn't the fault of the EU or the local politicians and it mostly the fault of David Cameron.... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 9:38:20 GMT
TATA to sell loss making British steel plantsChina has been flooding the world market with cheap steel, sold below cost price. The USA imposed tariffs of about 266% on Chinese steel, and made and implemented that decision in a matter of weeks. It saved the US steel industry. The EU, after months and months decided to impose a tariff of 24%. That decision made no impact whatsoever, and the European steel industry cannot compete with the Chinese and their state subsidised prices. The British government cannot bail out the steel industry, as it would go against EU rules regarding state aid. It cannot raise the tariff, as this is decided by the EU, so the steel industry will close, and jobs will be lost, and there is nothing our democratically elected government can do about it. EU = Good for British business? They could buy it out but that goes against the wishes of the people who voted for our current government. I'd love to know what the workers in the affected plants think, because I would bet the Unions and the local politicians are so pro-EU and anti-Tory that whatever happens it wasn't the fault of the EU or the local politicians and it mostly the fault of David Cameron.... The blame is being directed at the Tory government, but they are helpless, and they know it. No. The government should not take over a loss-making industry. We just cannot get into a price war with the Chinese as we'd lose! The simple thing to do is to raise the import tariff on Chinese steel (as the US has done). Reduce the damaging 'green energy power tariff's' on industry, and encourage British companies to buy steel produced in the UK. Oh, and stop making the ridiculous 'aid payments' to China & India. They really do begger belief ! Maybe those same aid payments could be used to help the steel industry in the UK somehow? It ain't rocket science is it ! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 11:09:29 GMT
TATA to sell loss making British steel plantsChina has been flooding the world market with cheap steel, sold below cost price. The USA imposed tariffs of about 266% on Chinese steel, and made and implemented that decision in a matter of weeks. It saved the US steel industry. The EU, after months and months decided to impose a tariff of 24%. That decision made no impact whatsoever, and the European steel industry cannot compete with the Chinese and their state subsidised prices. The British government cannot bail out the steel industry, as it would go against EU rules regarding state aid. It cannot raise the tariff, as this is decided by the EU, so the steel industry will close, and jobs will be lost, and there is nothing our democratically elected government can do about it. EU = Good for British business? Its not just steel they're doing it at. I work in truck tyre industry and they are flooding the market over here with cheap crap tyres too. We sell an average remoulded truck tyre for about £150, China have been selling them over here for as little as £55, there is no way we can compete. We have started to notice clients who left us for them are starting to return because they are so crap, one said the the tyre lasted 3 days before it went bang! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 11:17:01 GMT
TATA to sell loss making British steel plantsChina has been flooding the world market with cheap steel, sold below cost price. The USA imposed tariffs of about 266% on Chinese steel, and made and implemented that decision in a matter of weeks. It saved the US steel industry. The EU, after months and months decided to impose a tariff of 24%. That decision made no impact whatsoever, and the European steel industry cannot compete with the Chinese and their state subsidised prices. The British government cannot bail out the steel industry, as it would go against EU rules regarding state aid. It cannot raise the tariff, as this is decided by the EU, so the steel industry will close, and jobs will be lost, and there is nothing our democratically elected government can do about it. EU = Good for British business? Its not just steel they're doing it at. I work in truck tyre industry and they are flooding the market over here with cheap crap tyres too. We sell an average remoulded truck tyre for about £150, China have been selling them over here for as little as £55, there is no way we can compete. We have started to notice clients who left us for them are starting to return because they are so crap, one said the the tyre lasted 3 days before it went bang! When discussing with people over here about the EU, their main argument is that Europe must form a bloc to enable it to compete against China and the US. I constantly point out there is no way that Europe can compete with China or the US, because of the high labour costs in Europe. What Europe needs to do is to concentrate on quality, rather than quantity. It also needs to impose high tariff's on Chinese imports because of the high levels of state subsides they receive. Europe cannot compete with China, as it's not a level playing field. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 30, 2016 11:46:59 GMT
Its not just steel they're doing it at. I work in truck tyre industry and they are flooding the market over here with cheap crap tyres too. We sell an average remoulded truck tyre for about £150, China have been selling them over here for as little as £55, there is no way we can compete. We have started to notice clients who left us for them are starting to return because they are so crap, one said the the tyre lasted 3 days before it went bang! When discussing with people over here about the EU, their main argument is that Europe must form a bloc to enable it to compete against China and the US. I constantly point out there is no way that Europe can compete with China or the US, because of the high labour costs in Europe. What Europe needs to do is to concentrate on quality, rather than quantity. It also needs to impose high tariff's on Chinese imports because of the high levels of state subsides they receive. Europe cannot compete with China, as it's not a level playing field. Could we do that if we left the EU? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 11:57:08 GMT
When discussing with people over here about the EU, their main argument is that Europe must form a bloc to enable it to compete against China and the US. I constantly point out there is no way that Europe can compete with China or the US, because of the high labour costs in Europe. What Europe needs to do is to concentrate on quality, rather than quantity. It also needs to impose high tariff's on Chinese imports because of the high levels of state subsides they receive. Europe cannot compete with China, as it's not a level playing field. Could we do that if we left the EU? Yep. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 30, 2016 12:22:08 GMT
Could we do that if we left the EU? Yep. So, as a tiny independent Island, with very little to trade and without the backing of all of Europe, we could dictate to the US and China? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 12:33:56 GMT
So, as a tiny independent Island, with very little to trade and without the backing of all of Europe, we could dictate to the US and China? Not dictate, but as in the Chinese steel fiasco, if they try to dump cheap materials on us, sold below cost price, then it is the duty of our government to protect our own interests ie. jobs. If nothing changes, then the steel industry throughout Europe will close, leaving China as the sole supplier. When this happens, then the price of steel will go up, and there would be nothing we could do about it. The real question that is not being answered by the British media, nor government, is just why the EU will not impose a more stringent tariff on Chinese steel? Let me give you a clue. The UK exports 14 billion a year to China. Germany exports 71 billion a year to China, mainly BMW's, Mercedes, Audi etc etc. Germany does not want to harm their export market, so it is quite prepared to sacrifice a few thousand jobs in steel to protect the ten's of thousands of jobs in their car industry........ and who run's the EU? |
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Post by baggins on Mar 30, 2016 12:44:24 GMT
So, as a tiny independent Island, with very little to trade and without the backing of all of Europe, we could dictate to the US and China? Not dictate, but as in the Chinese steel fiasco, if they try to dump cheap materials on us, sold below cost price, then it is the duty of our government to protect our own interests ie. jobs. If nothing changes, then the steel industry throughout Europe will close, leaving China as the sole supplier. When this happens, then the price of steel will go up, and there would be nothing we could do about it. The real question that is not being answered by the British media, nor government, is just why the EU will not impose a more stringent tariff on Chinese steel? Let me give you a clue. The UK exports 14 billion a year to China. Germany exports 71 billion a year to China, mainly BMW's, Mercedes, Audi etc etc. Germany does not want to harm their export market, so it is quite prepared to sacrifice a few thousand jobs in steel to protect the ten's of thousands of jobs in their car industry........ and who run's the EU? We export £14billion to China per annum? What commodity is that? |
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