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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 12:59:14 GMT
Top UK exports to China in 2014:
road vehicles
medicinal and pharmaceutical products
power generating machinery / equipment
metalliferous ores and scrap metal
general industrial machinery, equipment and parts
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Post by baggins on Mar 30, 2016 13:10:41 GMT
Top UK exports to China in 2014: road vehicles medicinal and pharmaceutical products power generating machinery / equipment metalliferous ores and scrap metal general industrial machinery, equipment and parts Road vehicles? Apart from JCB we have no road vehicles owned by us that we export. Power generating machinery? We don't make that do we considering China builds it's own power plants, ores & scrap? What the hell is that? Still doesn't add up to £14 billion to me. Even if true, you honestly believe we'd be able to trade at that rate with no EU hand offs if we came out? Can't see it myself. Still, if Britain honestly believes we can trade and survive without being part of it, good luck to 'em. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 10:03:56 GMT
The EU debate is beginning to hot up....
Cameron's speech yesterday was unreal. He previously claimed that he was prepared to leave the EU if he was unable to achieve his very minor reforms to benefits for EU citizens. However, now he claims we will risk peace in Europe if we leave the EU. If Cameron is taken at his word, he was willing to risk WWIII to prevent Europeans from getting benefits for 4 years? The lies being spouted to scare everyone to vote 'IN' are getting rather stupid.
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Post by baggins on May 10, 2016 12:44:21 GMT
The EU debate is beginning to hot up.... Cameron's speech yesterday was unreal. He previously claimed that he was prepared to leave the EU if he was unable to achieve his very minor reforms to benefits for EU citizens. However, now he claims we will risk peace in Europe if we leave the EU. If Cameron is taken at his word, he was willing to risk WWIII to prevent Europeans from getting benefits for 4 years? The lies being spouted to scare everyone to vote 'IN' are getting rather stupid. Look to the people who voted him in again. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 14:41:36 GMT
The EU debate is beginning to hot up.... Cameron's speech yesterday was unreal. He previously claimed that he was prepared to leave the EU if he was unable to achieve his very minor reforms to benefits for EU citizens. However, now he claims we will risk peace in Europe if we leave the EU. If Cameron is taken at his word, he was willing to risk WWIII to prevent Europeans from getting benefits for 4 years? The lies being spouted to scare everyone to vote 'IN' are getting rather stupid. That gutless coward is no better than the two previous gutless cowards who preceded him. They also danced to the European tune. The damage was done long before this clown came to power. Blair and Brown sowed the seeds and Cameron is way out of his depth. What those two signed up to done so much damage it is unthinkable to comprehend. Don't forget,like Blair and Brown, Cameron is also dancing to the tune of the Yanks! |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 14:43:56 GMT
The EU debate is beginning to hot up.... Cameron's speech yesterday was unreal. He previously claimed that he was prepared to leave the EU if he was unable to achieve his very minor reforms to benefits for EU citizens. However, now he claims we will risk peace in Europe if we leave the EU. If Cameron is taken at his word, he was willing to risk WWIII to prevent Europeans from getting benefits for 4 years? The lies being spouted to scare everyone to vote 'IN' are getting rather stupid. Look to the people who voted him in again. I'd prefer to look at the people who voted in Blair and Brown myself. The ones who wanted to get rid of Everything British and started the eventual demise of Britain. |
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Post by baggins on May 10, 2016 15:29:58 GMT
Look to the people who voted him in again. I'd prefer to look at the people who voted in Blair and Brown myself. The ones who wanted to get rid of Everything British and started the eventual demise of Britain. That started in the 80's with Thatcher. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 10, 2016 16:32:01 GMT
Ted Heath, a Tory, took us in to Europe.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 17:16:52 GMT
I'd prefer to look at the people who voted in Blair and Brown myself. The ones who wanted to get rid of Everything British and started the eventual demise of Britain. That started in the 80's with Thatcher. If you think that then fair enough. But look at this Country since Labour took control under Blair then Brown. And enough said about Dave the better. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 17:23:02 GMT
Ted Heath, a Tory, took us in to Europe. And the referendum giving the People the choice,without the scaremongering like today, voted to stay in. Up until the Blair days, we got something out of Europe. Today? A job for the boys and controlled by 'somebody' in Europe. The very people who say they look after the working class; see who they want to look after! Not you or I,that's for sure. Vote out and let's try to give our children and grandchildren a future on this fast disappearing little island of ours. |
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Post by aghast on May 10, 2016 20:25:26 GMT
A Tory Prime Minister (Heath) took us into the EC and a Tory Prime Minister (Major) signed the Maastricht Treaty which set in stone the integration we now see. A Labour Chancellor (Brown) made sure we didn't join the Euro.
Whatever you think of the EU, you can't blame Labour for putting us where we now are.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 8:47:27 GMT
A Tory Prime Minister (Heath) took us into the EC and a Tory Prime Minister (Major) signed the Maastricht Treaty which set in stone the integration we now see. A Labour Chancellor (Brown) made sure we didn't join the Euro. Whatever you think of the EU, you can't blame Labour for putting us where we now are. That is quite a strange thing to say. Let's blame Ted Heath and the people of the early 70s for the gutless decisions made by two Labour leaders in the 90s and noughties. Seriously? As for Gorden Brown you know as well as I do,he didn't let Blair join the Euro because he wanted to be the one to do just that! He said so himself. It was only after he knew he would get lynched by both parties that he relented on that one. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 9:10:54 GMT
I think we should try and steer away from the Tories v Labour argument, because, quite frankly, the UK has been lied to by ALL the leaders of both parties regarding the EU.
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Post by stuart1974 on May 11, 2016 20:19:23 GMT
It is the fault of the French. Charles de Gaulle delayed our membership and we have been playing a half hearted catch up since. Both main parties are split and no one seems to be willing to risk that and put the country first.
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Post by supergas on May 12, 2016 1:02:07 GMT
I think we should try and steer away from the Tories v Labour argument, because, quite frankly, the UK has been lied to by ALL the leaders of both parties regarding the EU. Suggests how we should vote in the referendum then...? If neither of the two main parties can get their act together about reasons to be in the EU, surely we're better out of it...? |
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Post by jaggas on May 12, 2016 20:55:45 GMT
A Tory Prime Minister (Heath) took us into the EC and a Tory Prime Minister (Major) signed the Maastricht Treaty which set in stone the integration we now see. A Labour Chancellor (Brown) made sure we didn't join the Euro. Whatever you think of the EU, you can't blame Labour for putting us where we now are. Brown signed the Lisbon Treaty that was rejected by every nation that had a vote on it which became the final death nail for Britain until the rise of UKIP.He didn`t sign it publicly the slimy c"ck eyed c"nt slipped in the back door and back out again.Brown was also responsible for selling billions of pounds worth of British gold at rock bottom price and used the money to prop up the Euro.I find it hard to believe he stopped us joining the Euro,like Blair he was all for it and wanted the Euro but the pair of them knew they couldn`t win a referendum that was promised to the British people in Labours manifesto. |
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Post by stuart1974 on May 12, 2016 22:38:40 GMT
A Tory Prime Minister (Heath) took us into the EC and a Tory Prime Minister (Major) signed the Maastricht Treaty which set in stone the integration we now see. A Labour Chancellor (Brown) made sure we didn't join the Euro. Whatever you think of the EU, you can't blame Labour for putting us where we now are. Brown signed the Lisbon Treaty that was rejected by every nation that had a vote on it which became the final death nail for Britain until the rise of UKIP.He didn`t sign it publicly the slimy c"ck eyed c"nt slipped in the back door and back out again.Brown was also responsible for selling billions of pounds worth of British gold at rock bottom price and used the money to prop up the Euro.I find it hard to believe he stopped us joining the Euro,like Blair he was all for it and wanted the Euro but the pair of them knew they couldn`t win a referendum that was promised to the British people in Labours manifesto. Only one nation had a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, Ireland. They voted no on a low turn out and got some concessions. They then had a second referendum with a much higher turnout and passed it. Other nations, including ourselves, passed it in the relevant national parliaments. That said, I never liked Gordon Brown either. Is it possible to give half likes to posts? |
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Post by stuart1974 on May 12, 2016 22:45:42 GMT
I think we should try and steer away from the Tories v Labour argument, because, quite frankly, the UK has been lied to by ALL the leaders of both parties regarding the EU. Suggests how we should vote in the referendum then...? If neither of the two main parties can get their act together about reasons to be in the EU, surely we're better out of it...? I heard an interesting piece the other day as to why the Conservatives liked the EEC in the 1975 referendum and Labour generally didn't but have since swapped stances. The Conservatives liked it because it was a trading bloc and saw it as a bulwark against socialism, whereas Socialists didn't like it because it represented business against the worker. Fast forward 30-40 years and it is now seen by the Conservatives as a barrier to trade but by the Socialists as defender of workers rights against business (via the directives and red tape). |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 6:40:16 GMT
Brown signed the Lisbon Treaty that was rejected by every nation that had a vote on it which became the final death nail for Britain until the rise of UKIP.He didn`t sign it publicly the slimy c"ck eyed c"nt slipped in the back door and back out again.Brown was also responsible for selling billions of pounds worth of British gold at rock bottom price and used the money to prop up the Euro.I find it hard to believe he stopped us joining the Euro,like Blair he was all for it and wanted the Euro but the pair of them knew they couldn`t win a referendum that was promised to the British people in Labours manifesto. Only one nation had a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, Ireland. They voted no on a low turn out and got some concessions. They then had a second referendum with a much higher turnout and passed it. Other nations, including ourselves, passed it in the relevant national parliaments. That said, I never liked Gordon Brown either. Is it possible to give half likes to posts? Ah, the Lisbon Treaty, which formerly went under the name of the EU Constitution. I believe both France and Holland voted "No" to the EU Constitution. The UK were denied a vote because these two countries had already voted "No", so there was no need for a vote. The EU just changed the 'Constitution' into a 'Treaty' thereby negating the need for a public vote in any country. The Treaty was then ratified by the politicians without consulting the voting public. Democracy at it's finest. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 7:07:10 GMT
“The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.”
― Mikhail Gorbachev
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