The E.U Referrendum

The 'asylum seeker' issue from Syria is really quite small and managable. The real issue is the flood of immigrants, not asylum seekers, from North Africa. People, and the media, get the two issues mixed up.

Your last line. If you want a United Europe, then you have to give up sovereignty completely. You hand over control over tax, law, foreign affairs, military etc etc. 
This has already happened to a degree in Greece, Ireland and Portugal, where these countries have to submit their financial plans to the EU for approval.

As for taking fewer migrants than Germany, well, Germany (and Merkel) have screwed up big time. You cannot believe what is happening in Germany at the moment. The UK media don't really report the reality of day-to-day life here. It really is quite shocking.

So we know Sky are supporting the "IN" campaign.

Now, the same story, promoted by the Daily Telegraph, who are supporting the "OUT" campaign.....

"EU referendum: Business advisers to David Cameron and major UK companies decline to sign pro-EU letter - live
Letter backing EU membership circulated by Downing Street not expected to be signed by string of leading FTSE 100 companies as Tories descend into war over Brexit fears"

You can see how the very same story is projected to suit the views they want.

Exactly, this is what I was saying to Gaz in an earlier post. Look behind the headline.

Sadly I suspect we will see lots of rhetoric and little clarity from either side.

Interesting piece on Guido Fawkes. Apparently, only 36 FTSE 100 companies signed up to Cameron's letter to back his "stay" campaign......meaning 64 didn't !

Before the EU deal last week, the government were claiming 80 companies were going to sign.
Yesterday the FT were claiming that 50 were going to sign.
The reality is that 36 signed.


Guido Fawkes

The amount we contribute is far too much the ,majority of the pot goes to germany and france,if the bulk of this was filtered around more it wouldn't be so bad, but we must also not forget that throwing money at poorer countries does not solve anything, they just raise prices and when the money dries up they are poorer than before, what does make me bleed purple Pish is this anyone from europe can come and get benefits, ie child benefits, these benefits aren't available to us in their countries and yet those countries shout  the loudest when we want to stop it.

The thing with the syrians is false yes some are real ,but the majority were of military age, extremely fit ,clothed well and owning quite expensive phones.  why are these people running why aren't they fighting for freedom, the simple answer is quite a few are coming in and will be sleeping waiting to strike(as some already have) .


Nobby is correct look at what is happening in germany, on arrival what was the first thing that happened oh yeah a massive fight in a camp to oust the christians, yup all peaceful there then eh, people being evicted from their housing to allow immigrants to live there (yes it did happen) , mass sexual assaults on new years eve with the authorities threatening to arrest anyone who mentioned it was mainly immigrants, and blaming the women who were assualted, although one judge broke cover recently and said yes it was immigrants and this needs to be recognised.  With those responsible being deported no if's no buts ,lets face it if you really were peaceable and respectful for the help offered then you wouldn't have shown contempt for european laws by flouting them continually.

The problem as i see it with germany is they kinda had their hand forced and went over the top, the germans still have arcane laws imposed on them from the mid 40's. It's so easy for anyone to go to germany and lay false charges of hate against anyone and it's the german who goes to court ,they are treading on eggshells in reality(and before anyone says it no i am not a member of any right wing group) .  A genuine question to nobs would merkel have opened the borders if germans had the same rights as the rest of us or were they opened as an exercise because that's what everyone else expected .

Aghast mentions sovereignty we,ve give up too much already and will give up so much more, but as i understand it our entry into europe was and is illegal ,im sure it is treasonable to give any form or rule over britain to foreign powers.


Moving on i was glancing at the tv last night and caught a few seconds of some lady and farage talking about the eu and the cost to us in trade if we pull out, i had a sly giggle as the woman as she kept saying uk business have access to over 500 million companies we can trade with , and we would lose those  trade links, but she kept making a point of the 500 million as if trying to use big numbers to put doubt into peoples minds, but never said how many of that number actually did trade with the uk funny that.

We also borrow something in the region of £220m pounds to run some governmental buildings, but get this no alchohol or certain meat products can be served or consumed on the premises as a condition of the loans(can anyone guess what laws these are and who lent the money, again treasonous). 
If we left the eu the country would have the ability to pay for those buildings and a lot left over to build council homes. 

What we need to do is leave the eu ,clamp down on foreign aid lock down our borders for a few years and allow our country to grow and prosper , Tackle poverty in this country and care for the old as people in power seem to forget without the old we would be nothing. 

Likewise everyone says we have free trade do we bollocks remember when some cattle had bse ,even thought the meat was safe after the cull the french blockaded the ports to stop our meat being exported, yeah well free that trade was.
Also the food mountains imposed by the eu, let the farmers grow food unhindered and sell it rather than destroy it, Christ im getting side tracked


One last thing on so called asylum seekers the last time in my memory that we had a real asylum crisis was during the bosnian war and if you cast your mind back the refugees were in fact grateful for the help they received not demanding.  
Do all the doogooders really believe if we let people in unhindered they will suddenly become model british people, nah course not just look to the camps in france to see what these people are really like, do you think that suddenly the will stop being pimps, thieves,thugs.
and yes i am breathing through my nose

A couple of things i forgot to mention
It's likely europe will recognise multi wived marriages if they were carried out in countries where it's legal and the man will be able to claim benefits for each wife
In another eu country they are looking at allowing child brides to continue to live with their husbands if they seek asylum.

have a quick search of google for migrant problems, hell it's funny how a lot of this is now under reported

A majority of the English may want out. Unfortunately the many who now live abroad (less than 15 years) will nearly all be voting to stay, probably along with the Scots etc.

The latest BS is that we are safer within the EU... like we are going to be invaded or bombed just because we wouldn't be an EU member. Letting in the masses unchecked from all over Europe/Syria etc is a bigger threat than leaving would ever be.

As for the US wanting us to stay in, obviously they want to keep their influence through us.

I do wish the out campaign would focus on things such as our fishing waters, that we had to give away in large %'s, we would get back. And would rid ourselves of the rediculous EU rules that go alongside them, such as how many of each fish we are allowed to catch. In other words, the clear benefits of leaving.

Even though you're probably right about the rebate and investment, where is the £27m+ per day going and what is it being spent on over there? By my reckoning, at £27m per day we could build a new hospital the size of Southmead every three weeks (and that includes the wages of all the staff paid in advance for (I guess) the next 3-5 years....)

To be fair the SNP shout really loudly (it's like the toddler in the supermarket who's not getting their way, only *slightly* more annoying...). Also, don't think that what Scotland wants is the same as what the SNP wants. Whether or not most Scots want Independence or not, or want to stay in the EU or not, the reason they vote SNP at the ballot box is they are still hung up over Thatcher in the 80s and the SNP are the only real 'protest' vote available to them. I'd hate to be there when the oil dries up...

You're right on all your other points. 'Safer' depends in no way on our relationship with the EU or with NATO, just on our relationship with other intelligence agencies and with the US...and I know the anti-US lobby will groan at this, but it's not about politics or starting wars, it's about access to information. We'll still want it but we're also good at getting it and have a lot of the overseas networks in place. Anyone in the EU will still 'share' based on the fact they will still want us and the US to share back.

"The EU, as an economy, is stagnant" - good choice of word onomatopoeically, but I would have used 'failing'. Despite Germany running around propping up the corners of the house (Greece, Spain, Italy...), there is still no plan in place to fix the overall problem (which is the fact that different economies need different levers pulled to keep them healthy). The EU has one set of levers so to fix one country you bend/break three others. I would happily bet that the Euro as we know it will not exist in 15 years...at the very least several countries will have left, more likely there will be 2-3-4 different 'versions' of it, Euro tier one, two, etc....and don't get me started on TTIP....