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Post by chilly1883 on Oct 7, 2016 18:33:14 GMT
To play for England, you should be at the top of your game when the squad is picked. If your not you don't. I go and watch most England games home and away, I just wish we could appoint a manager with the balls to do this 🙏
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Post by Okebournegas on Oct 7, 2016 21:04:13 GMT
I just wish we had a team that actually gave a f**k about playing for England , over hyped , over paid , bunch of ponces who are a disgrace to the shirt. I'm sorry but I have officially given up on the national team , only one team for me and that's the gas!!!!
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Post by beaver132 on Oct 8, 2016 21:50:11 GMT
Fantastic result today. 2-0 against the best international side the Mediterranean islands can put up. We managed to hold them in the 2nd half, despite the pressures our boys must have been under. I expect we were very tired by the end but we held on. They are much fitter than us, because they get a break from playing football when they do their day jobs, but our lot have to play full time. On top of that our lot have to find time to spend all that money, so the pressure is immense. As they say, no easy games in international football , and I think Malta learned that lesson today. Even if others fluke a 10-0 against them in other matches, we can be proud today. Brilliant England, and we'll done Gareth. Overjoyed.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Oct 8, 2016 21:58:01 GMT
Rooney yet again played for the sake of it.
I thought first half we were actually OK as at least we took the game to them.
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Post by Okebournegas on Oct 9, 2016 13:03:53 GMT
Wayne Rooney is everything that is wrong with football the sooner he buggers off the better.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 9, 2016 13:09:27 GMT
Wayne Rooney is everything that is wrong with football the sooner he buggers off the better. He's dead to me.
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Post by Okebournegas on Oct 9, 2016 13:10:09 GMT
Wayne Rooney is everything that is wrong with football the sooner he buggers off the better. He's dead to me. Got there before me Hugo !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 13:11:13 GMT
Rooney needs to go!
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Post by Okebournegas on Oct 9, 2016 13:41:18 GMT
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 9, 2016 13:44:17 GMT
Wayne Rooney is everything that is wrong with football the sooner he buggers off the better. Harsh. He's been overrated throughout his career but there are far worse than him when it comes to what is wrong with football.
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Post by justin blue on Oct 9, 2016 15:44:03 GMT
Seriously though, it doesn't make a difference. You could put Pep or any manager in the world in charge and we'd still be sh*t. Our players just aren't THAT good. Better than we've shown, yes; but still not good enough to win a major tournament. I don't think it's all down to skill or how good players are individually, I think it's about how they play as a team. The teams that win tournaments are not always the best they just have someone who knows how to get the best out of them.
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Post by Okebournegas on Oct 9, 2016 18:51:49 GMT
Wayne Rooney is everything that is wrong with football the sooner he buggers off the better. Harsh. He's been overrated throughout his career but there are far worse than him when it comes to what is wrong with football. the guy is an absolute belter I will never forget when he started chopsing off at the England fans at the World Cup in 2010 who were voicing their displeasure at the gutless performance against the mighty Algeria, the bloke couldn't give a flying f**k about playing for his country, what has he ever done in an England shirt ( excluding when he burst onto the scene) to my reckoning he has done nothing. I will be honest though it's not just him I think all of them are as bad as each other, pampered , average to good on their day footballers. I think the reason we don't have a single world class talent in our ranks is purely down to the fact that as soon as any of the upcoming youngsters show a glimmer of promise they are snapped up by Utd, Chelsea , man city etc payed an absolute fortune become instant millionaires and think to themselves that they have made it and they then start to believe their own hype. The game needs to change but unfortunately it won't. Anyway rant over that's just one of my views on the national team.
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Post by aghast on Oct 9, 2016 20:08:14 GMT
Harsh. He's been overrated throughout his career but there are far worse than him when it comes to what is wrong with football. the guy is an absolute belter I will never forget when he started chopsing off at the England fans at the World Cup in 2010 who were voicing their displeasure at the gutless performance against the mighty Algeria, the bloke couldn't give a flying f**k about playing for his country, what has he ever done in an England shirt ( excluding when he burst onto the scene) to my reckoning he has done nothing. I will be honest though it's not just him I think all of them are as bad as each other, pampered , average to good on their day footballers. I think the reason we don't have a single world class talent in our ranks is purely down to the fact that as soon as any of the upcoming youngsters show a glimmer of promise they are snapped up by Utd, Chelsea , man city etc payed an absolute fortune become instant millionaires and think to themselves that they have made it and they then start to believe their own hype. The game needs to change but unfortunately it won't. Anyway rant over that's just one of my views on the national team. Most on here, including me, agree with you. And from a quick random browse round other forums from the Prem to League 2, it would seem it's a common view. But still 85,000-odd turned up at Wembley to watch them, as they always do. Who are these people, why do they fork out so much money and why do they do it?
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Post by gregsy on Oct 9, 2016 20:15:59 GMT
the guy is an absolute belter I will never forget when he started chopsing off at the England fans at the World Cup in 2010 who were voicing their displeasure at the gutless performance against the mighty Algeria, the bloke couldn't give a flying f**k about playing for his country, what has he ever done in an England shirt ( excluding when he burst onto the scene) to my reckoning he has done nothing. I will be honest though it's not just him I think all of them are as bad as each other, pampered , average to good on their day footballers. I think the reason we don't have a single world class talent in our ranks is purely down to the fact that as soon as any of the upcoming youngsters show a glimmer of promise they are snapped up by Utd, Chelsea , man city etc payed an absolute fortune become instant millionaires and think to themselves that they have made it and they then start to believe their own hype. The game needs to change but unfortunately it won't. Anyway rant over that's just one of my views on the national team. Most on here, including me, agree with you. And from a quick random browse round other forums from the Prem to League 2, it would seem it's a common view. But still 85,000-odd turned up at Wembley to watch them, as they always do. Who are these people, why do they fork out so much money and why do they do it? times have changed for sure.... for the 1966 world cup final tickets were available on the day of the match....
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Post by socrates on Oct 9, 2016 20:42:12 GMT
Seriously though, it doesn't make a difference. You could put Pep or any manager in the world in charge and we'd still be sh*t. Our players just aren't THAT good. Better than we've shown, yes; but still not good enough to win a major tournament. I don't think it's all down to skill or how good players are individually, I think it's about how they play as a team. The teams that win tournaments are not always the best they just have someone who knows how to get the best out of them.
Exactly as I see it. In terms of footballing ability our players are good enough to win a tournament or at least get to the late stages but ability alone isn't enough. They have the ability but nothing else and you need so much more.
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Post by Okebournegas on Oct 9, 2016 20:43:29 GMT
the guy is an absolute belter I will never forget when he started chopsing off at the England fans at the World Cup in 2010 who were voicing their displeasure at the gutless performance against the mighty Algeria, the bloke couldn't give a flying f**k about playing for his country, what has he ever done in an England shirt ( excluding when he burst onto the scene) to my reckoning he has done nothing. I will be honest though it's not just him I think all of them are as bad as each other, pampered , average to good on their day footballers. I think the reason we don't have a single world class talent in our ranks is purely down to the fact that as soon as any of the upcoming youngsters show a glimmer of promise they are snapped up by Utd, Chelsea , man city etc payed an absolute fortune become instant millionaires and think to themselves that they have made it and they then start to believe their own hype. The game needs to change but unfortunately it won't. Anyway rant over that's just one of my views on the national team. Most on here, including me, agree with you. And from a quick random browse round other forums from the Prem to League 2, it would seem it's a common view. But still 85,000-odd turned up at Wembley to watch them, as they always do. Who are these people, why do they fork out so much money and why do they do it? At this moment in time I wouldn't go and watch an England match if tickets and travel were free of charge , I will start giving a sh** about them when the players start giving a sh**.
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Post by gregsy on Oct 9, 2016 20:47:47 GMT
I don't think it's all down to skill or how good players are individually, I think it's about how they play as a team. The teams that win tournaments are not always the best they just have someone who knows how to get the best out of them.
Exactly as I see it. In terms of footballing ability our players are good enough to win a tournament or at least get to the late stages but ability alone isn't enough. They have the ability but nothing else and you need so much more. tis true.... let's not forget that while we all grumble about the 'system', let's remember that it's the same youth and academy 'system' that Wales Norn iron and the republic have assembled tidy sides out of....
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Post by socrates on Oct 9, 2016 20:55:08 GMT
Exactly as I see it. In terms of footballing ability our players are good enough to win a tournament or at least get to the late stages but ability alone isn't enough. They have the ability but nothing else and you need so much more. tis true.... let's not forget that while we all grumble about the 'system', let's remember that it's the same youth and academy 'system' that Wales Norn iron and the republic have assembled tidy sides out of.... Yep and on paper our players are much better but when you see them in a team they've got no motivation no bravery no organisation no belief no creativity and no leadership. Dam useless.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 9, 2016 21:40:40 GMT
It was a shame we didn't take the World Cup seriously in the 30s and 50s, we may have won a couple before 1966 and would have taken some of the underachievement jibes off our backs. Also, the press need to take some responsibility, building players up before the inevitable fall.
For me, I do think it may be time to pick players from the Championship rather than the Premiership, if only to reinstall some pride and lose some of that baggage.
One thing I have realised in recent years though, and many have said the same thing, the national team no longer hold the same passion for me as it once did. Not sure why though.
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Post by Okebournegas on Oct 9, 2016 21:54:14 GMT
It was a shame we didn't take the World Cup seriously in the 30s and 50s, we may have won a couple before 1966 and would have taken some of the underachievement jibes off our backs. Also, the press need to take some responsibility, building players up before the inevitable fall. For me, I do think it may be time to pick players from the Championship rather than the Premiership, if only to reinstall some pride and lose some of that baggage. One thing I have realised in recent years though, and many have said the same thing, the national team no longer hold the same passion for me as it once did. Not sure why though. There is no connection between the players and the fans in my opinion , most of the players are picked not for their overall skill and commitment but for the team they play for. Agree with your comment about picking players from the lower leagues as well, if you have players playing well surely they should have a chance ? Just for an example here why not give noble from West Ham a chance he had a cracking season just gone and what about Defoe ? He maybe 33 but he still scored goals for fun at a team struggling at the bottom of the table.
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