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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 9:21:42 GMT
Well, as usual I'm going to take the alternative route and just say that I think Putin actually gets many things right, and there is a genuine smear campaign against him involving the Western media and government agencies.
I can't believe that I'm going to defend Putin, but how many of you have actually listened to him speak? He actually talks a lot of sense.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 12:14:27 GMT
Meanwhile, the EU responds to Trump getting elected.
"In Brussels, President of the European Parliament Martin Schulz said: "I'm not happy about it
. But on the other hand, I also believe that the political system in the US is strong enough to be able to deal with a president like Trump."
How to make friends the EU way !
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 11, 2016 8:01:51 GMT
Meanwhile, the EU responds to Trump getting elected. "In Brussels, President of the European Parliament Martin Schulz said: "I'm not happy about it
. But on the other hand, I also believe that the political system in the US is strong enough to be able to deal with a president like Trump." Physician, heal thyself. Is the political system in the EU, strong enough to be able to deal with a president like Schulz? |
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Post by Captain Jayho on Nov 11, 2016 9:25:43 GMT
Somewhat amusing to see all of the Aussie politicians who gave Trump the middle digit when it looked like he'd lose now go snivelling back to him begging him not to end their trade agreement...
Presumably some of the european leaders will be doing likewise at some stage.
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Post by inee on Nov 11, 2016 12:00:38 GMT
Somewhat amusing to see all of the Aussie politicians who gave Trump the middle digit when it looked like he'd lose now go snivelling back to him begging him not to end their trade agreement... Presumably some of the european leaders will be doing likewise at some stage. What is amusing about that is It's far easier to get into america, than it ever was or will be to get into oz |
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Post by Captain Jayho on Nov 11, 2016 12:07:19 GMT
Somewhat amusing to see all of the Aussie politicians who gave Trump the middle digit when it looked like he'd lose now go snivelling back to him begging him not to end their trade agreement... Presumably some of the european leaders will be doing likewise at some stage. What is amusing about that is It's far easier to get into america, than it ever was or will be to get into oz Yes, the hypocrisy regarding immigration is fairly staggering. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 12:56:20 GMT
Interesting that in Germany all the senior politicians, including Merkel, are saying that they have to listen more to the voters.
Shouldn't that be something they should be doing already?
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Post by inee on Nov 11, 2016 17:38:23 GMT
nobs, think it will be an interesting few years to see how other countries vote, given brexit and the trump vote, din't merkel say germany and the us are similar or something like that in response to the us vote.
Merkel needs to man up and say the mass immigration din't work and send the healthy immigrant back
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 12, 2016 7:59:18 GMT
Interesting that in Germany all the senior politicians, including Merkel, are saying that they have to listen more to the voters. Shouldn't that be something they should be doing already? She didn`t have time, last year. She was too busy organizing the transfer of a sizeable proportion of the Middle East to Germany, to worry about what the people already living there might think. |
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Post by peterparker on Nov 14, 2016 16:40:53 GMT
looks like Brexit is in full swing and 'we' will get control of our borders as France are likely to close their Calais border post
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Post by jaggas on Nov 15, 2016 19:15:13 GMT
looks like Brexit is in full swing and 'we' will get control of our borders as France are likely to close their Calais border post More scaremongering nonsense from the pro EU BBC and the pro EU media who haven`t predicted anything correctly since the referendum. |
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Post by aghast on Dec 12, 2016 21:16:28 GMT
Philip Hammond now wants more than the two year deadline to leave.
Perhaps the 12th of Never?
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Post by William Wilson on Dec 13, 2016 7:56:29 GMT
By the time we get round to leaving, it`ll probably be gone anyway.
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 14, 2016 22:31:58 GMT
Boris Johnson was in favour of free movement as London Mayor and some reports suggest he still is, David Davis has said we could pay a premium to retain access to the single market, Giesla Stuart on the Daily Politics on Tuesday said she hopes we stay part of Europol (and by extension nominally the ECJ), Philip Hammond (along with some others) has suggested an interim deal while formal talks take longer.
What actually happened in June? Yes, that was a rhetorical question.
The biggest surprise for me is that Scotland is no more likely to go for IndyRef 2 than before and some polls (yes, I know) have indicated independence is less likely now.
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Post by baggins on Dec 15, 2016 11:57:24 GMT
I have no idea what's going on, am I still European?
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Post by inee on Dec 19, 2016 9:53:09 GMT
I have no idea what's going on, am I still European? Yes and it explains so much  |
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Post by jaggas on Dec 21, 2016 19:33:51 GMT
Its not a bad idea to play the waiting game as we all know that the EU will crash and burn in the next 18 months.The people who voted to leave will be 100% justified in their decision.
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Post by aghast on Dec 21, 2016 21:10:02 GMT
Well that would suggest that the EU is doomed because we voted to leave, which would further suggest that had we not voted to leave it would not have been doomed.
So if the people who voted to leave are 100% justified in their decision, are you saying that they voted to leave so as to bring about the downfall of the EU?
I don't think that was highlighted in the Brexit campaign.
I think most Brexiters just wanted independence from Brussels, and were happy to let the Johnny Foreigners run themselves as they saw fit.
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Post by jaggas on Dec 22, 2016 18:27:13 GMT
Britain voting leave knocked a great big hole in the EU wall when you take into account Britain from day one has been one of the biggest nett contributors to the EU coffers.The wall is still trembling and once the elections throughout Europe show anti EU results and take into account Greece still haven`t paid a bean on their debt and that Italys economy is on the verge of collapse then it wont be long before the Euro itself plunges into a crisis even Germany will not be able to control.So yes the people who voted leave started the chain of events and I would suspect a huge amount of those that voted leave would be delighted to see the EU and their currency collapse.
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Post by inee on Dec 22, 2016 20:20:23 GMT
Was going to post similar earlier ,but got side tracked, however i disagree that we started the collapse, to my mind the collapse started with the end of the eastern bloc, which gave germany a claim on an even bigger slice of the pie,which in effect had a slow but corrosive effect on the poorer eu countries(of that time) ,then with more poorer countries from the former iron bloc coming into the eu, our contribution went up(as with some other countries) ,
germany still took more.
The Fourth Reich was always going to be about money and mass land grab but this time through making germany dominant financially, and then by uniting europe into one superstate.(sound familiar) .
People can't seem to get their heads around the thought that germany is once again being dominant in europe but this time through stealth and without the same bloodshed(yet) , i feel after a few 10's of more attacks on europe you would have seen the superstate , once achieved a total police state declared in the name of fighting terrorism ,although this seems far fetched look at bLiars time in office more personal freedoms eroded and more laws bought in than at anyother time in our history(if i remember correctly it was just over 1 law made (or changed to benefit the state) per day .
Some achievement that, the reality is many countries were looking for a way out, and we were the first, if and when we are ruling ourselves again, if we prosper i think these other countries will awaken and opt out.
As a country built on trade we will survive and are in a fairly unique position in that we are an island, i also suspect many eu countries are still afraid to show their hands as unlike us they are literally landlocked and it would be suicide at present for a show of hand, just think if belgium left, the eu could destroy that county in a matter of days, but charging high fees for use of air space, shutting down borders etc.
Before calling me a loon just remember i'm protected by my tinfoil hate, but look into the expansion of the Third Reich (it's no coincidence that Germany had vast cash resources around the world then) , the eu mimics that but in a supposed peaceful way.
So nope we din't start the breakup of the eu , we are merly the first to leave
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