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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 29, 2017 6:08:09 GMT
Ha, ha.......JC wants to copy Venezuela He wants us to get f**ked over by the capitalist parts of the world so that they can get their hands on our oil reserves on the cheap? Blimey, that's contraversial even for Jezza.
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Post by pirate on Jul 29, 2017 9:24:13 GMT
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Post by inee on Aug 11, 2017 22:28:49 GMT
Of course I`m not happy about it. But it`s not something that keeps me awake at night either. Despite the fact that I`ve only ever done menial warehouse/driving jobs, I`ve managed to fashion a decent life for me and mine. If someone else has made billions from my efforts at the bottom of the work chain, well... I guess that`s life. Good luck in changing it all. Socialism might make the rich poorer, but can it have the opposite effect? Not noticably. Young people can change it because they can see that they wont have their own house,proper jobs and more that we have had and they will change it. you just don't get it do you people like yourself ,my dad and others, created the sh** we have today, always on bloody strike,has it not occurred to you that if during wilson/callaghans reign you hadn't been so strike happy then the country would be in much better shape than it is today, if people like yourself hadn't suffered petty jealousy that shock horror someone was richer than you or someone did less hours than you ,or wanted pay rates to go above what you lefty government had set, then unions would have been trusted to this day, instead what you really achieved was a country gone to sh**, unions destroyed, people no longer bothering with unions as we remember the damage people like yourself caused. So yes i say thank you very much that by your petty jealousy,foolishness and your belief that people are equal, and belief that what you all did in the 70's has led to the young not able to afford a house. then yes your labour government worked. Youngsters will not change anything by joining unions or voting labours as in short order we will be back in the 70's again ,you know strikes, 3 day weeks, no leccy etc. I casn't understand your obsession with people who have more than you, some are rich some are poor it's the way of life deal with it ,if one of your own opened a business and struck it rich are you so selfish that jealousy would stop you wishing them well. Still remember the 70's and remember if the left hadn't held it's own government to ransom thing would be better today
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Post by inee on Aug 11, 2017 22:31:51 GMT
I should add, I don't support Hamas or its methods but I do have an awful lot of sympathy for Palestine. They were royally f**ked over by the creation of Israel. We created Israel. I love Israel and the people. I used to work in Israel and Gaza/West Bank - Very complicated region and I get what both sides say but side with Israel. I can't side with any of em, to take over someone else's land and behave like they are ,doesn't it remind you of a similar situation just before the creation of israel. just goes to show two almost identical religions at war with each other for eternity
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 22:49:16 GMT
Young people can change it because they can see that they wont have their own house,proper jobs and more that we have had and they will change it. you just don't get it do you people like yourself ,my dad and others, created the sh** we have today, always on bloody strike,has it not occurred to you that if during wilson/callaghans reign you hadn't been so strike happy then the country would be in much better shape than it is today, if people like yourself hadn't suffered petty jealousy that shock horror someone was richer than you or someone did less hours than you ,or wanted pay rates to go above what you lefty government had set, then unions would have been trusted to this day, instead what you really achieved was a country gone to sh**, unions destroyed, people no longer bothering with unions as we remember the damage people like yourself caused. So yes i say thank you very much that by your petty jealousy,foolishness and your belief that people are equal, and belief that what you all did in the 70's has led to the young not able to afford a house. then yes your labour government worked. Youngsters will not change anything by joining unions or voting labours as in short order we will be back in the 70's again ,you know strikes, 3 day weeks, no leccy etc. I casn't understand your obsession with people who have more than you, some are rich some are poor it's the way of life deal with it ,if one of your own opened a business and struck it rich are you so selfish that jealousy would stop you wishing them well. Still remember the 70's and remember if the left hadn't held it's own government to ransom thing would be better today Without trade unions ordinary people would be a lot poorer than they are today. Sadly the elite are pushing us ordinary people back to where we used to be. Open a business by all means but pay your workers a decent wage. The example i used on this thread of the wal-mart family making billions but paying there staff a pittance is a good example of extreme and total greed and humanity needs to find a better society for everyone not just the rich. Also by highlighting the early 70"s labour goverment your picking on its darkest moments and ignoring the wilson goverments achievements in the 1960"s and the atlee post war goverment. Thatcher destroyed our manufacturing base and created a mass of people with no future and got a state funeral when she died! you couldnt make it up
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Post by pirate on Aug 12, 2017 10:58:17 GMT
We created Israel. I love Israel and the people. I used to work in Israel and Gaza/West Bank - Very complicated region and I get what both sides say but side with Israel. I can't side with any of em, to take over someone else's land and behave like they are ,doesn't it remind you of a similar situation just before the creation of israel. just goes to show two almost identical religions at war with each other for eternity
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 12, 2017 11:01:47 GMT
you just don't get it do you people like yourself ,my dad and others, created the sh** we have today, always on bloody strike,has it not occurred to you that if during wilson/callaghans reign you hadn't been so strike happy then the country would be in much better shape than it is today, if people like yourself hadn't suffered petty jealousy that shock horror someone was richer than you or someone did less hours than you ,or wanted pay rates to go above what you lefty government had set, then unions would have been trusted to this day, instead what you really achieved was a country gone to sh**, unions destroyed, people no longer bothering with unions as we remember the damage people like yourself caused. So yes i say thank you very much that by your petty jealousy,foolishness and your belief that people are equal, and belief that what you all did in the 70's has led to the young not able to afford a house. then yes your labour government worked. Youngsters will not change anything by joining unions or voting labours as in short order we will be back in the 70's again ,you know strikes, 3 day weeks, no leccy etc. I casn't understand your obsession with people who have more than you, some are rich some are poor it's the way of life deal with it ,if one of your own opened a business and struck it rich are you so selfish that jealousy would stop you wishing them well. Still remember the 70's and remember if the left hadn't held it's own government to ransom thing would be better today Without trade unions ordinary people would be a lot poorer than they are today. Sadly the elite are pushing us ordinary people back to where we used to be. Open a business by all means but pay your workers a decent wage. The example i used on this thread of the wal-mart family making billions but paying there staff a pittance is a good example of extreme and total greed and humanity needs to find a better society for everyone not just the rich. Also by highlighting the early 70"s labour goverment your picking on its darkest moments and ignoring the wilson goverments achievements in the 1960"s and the atlee post war goverment. Thatcher destroyed our manufacturing base and created a mass of people with no future and got a state funeral when she died! you couldnt make it up I read somewhere recently that the gap between the Elites or Ultra Rich is 10 times greater than that which sparked the French Revolution. Isn't TV good at keeping stupid people stupid.
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Post by inee on Aug 12, 2017 11:31:50 GMT
hugo listen to the lyrics of motorhead's song talking head , Tv is the most dangerous weapon ever invented. ffs just look at today's programming.
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Post by inee on Aug 12, 2017 11:59:38 GMT
I can't side with any of em, to take over someone else's land and behave like they are ,doesn't it remind you of a similar situation just before the creation of israel. just goes to show two almost identical religions at war with each other for eternity Pirate i have said here many times that as more documents are being released from the 30's and 40's, most of what was taught in schools was a lie. I've always been shocked how many people still believe in the 6million lie, i think they just picked a number out of thin air to make it sound worse than it was, but slowly but surely the numbers are being dismissed as fantasy, if the true numbers were given to me and others it would be more shocking as 6 million is on the face of it incomprehensible it's too big to have a shocking effect. Before others jump on the pc bandwagon no im not a holocaust denier ,however i'm glad the true numbers are being reviewed all the time and a lot of myths are being dispelled, especially more and more of the doctored photos are being exposed. If you think about it the whole religion was at it's lowest point you would think that, they would try and help each other but no they policed the camps themselves and were as brutal if not more so than the guards to their own, in reality you would think that had you wife kids parents etc had been murdered that you would want to die too. as a follow on you would think that after the war those who survived would be more inclined for peace with others ,but no they have become what they despise . it amazes me that mossad aren't on the terrorist lists as they have done some wicked things over the years . What drives me mad is how the jews have managed to gain some form of special status with most people and get away with anything, and like other religions if anyone speaks out they get rounded on by everyone else. However a lot of people are now waking up to this and asking for sanctions against israel .
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Post by aghast on Aug 12, 2017 13:34:58 GMT
Vote Corbyn. No poodle to America and blind follower of Israel.
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Post by inee on Aug 12, 2017 16:44:49 GMT
you just don't get it do you people like yourself ,my dad and others, created the sh** we have today, always on bloody strike,has it not occurred to you that if during wilson/callaghans reign you hadn't been so strike happy then the country would be in much better shape than it is today, if people like yourself hadn't suffered petty jealousy that shock horror someone was richer than you or someone did less hours than you ,or wanted pay rates to go above what you lefty government had set, then unions would have been trusted to this day, instead what you really achieved was a country gone to sh**, unions destroyed, people no longer bothering with unions as we remember the damage people like yourself caused. So yes i say thank you very much that by your petty jealousy,foolishness and your belief that people are equal, and belief that what you all did in the 70's has led to the young not able to afford a house. then yes your labour government worked. Youngsters will not change anything by joining unions or voting labours as in short order we will be back in the 70's again ,you know strikes, 3 day weeks, no leccy etc. I casn't understand your obsession with people who have more than you, some are rich some are poor it's the way of life deal with it ,if one of your own opened a business and struck it rich are you so selfish that jealousy would stop you wishing them well. Still remember the 70's and remember if the left hadn't held it's own government to ransom thing would be better today Without trade unions ordinary people would be a lot poorer than they are today. Sadly the elite are pushing us ordinary people back to where we used to be. Open a business by all means but pay your workers a decent wage. The example i used on this thread of the wal-mart family making billions but paying there staff a pittance is a good example of extreme and total greed and humanity needs to find a better society for everyone not just the rich. Also by highlighting the early 70"s labour goverment your picking on its darkest moments and ignoring the wilson goverments achievements in the 1960"s and the atlee post war goverment. Thatcher destroyed our manufacturing base and created a mass of people with no future and got a state funeral when she died! you couldnt make it up You still dont get it do you the trade unions in the 70's screwed up union support for everyone, before my dad died i asked if he had any regrets and he replied yes all those strikes over nothing as it was the beginning of the end for workers in this country, so yup be proud that you did your bit in destroying the uk for future generations cheers fella much appreciated. Wilson did a runner when he realised the country was so screwed up, and royally screwed callaghan over(later to be repeated by bLair with brown. You also seem to forget wilson and attlee only followed the precedent set by the libs before them in workers rights and council housing. Wilson started the decline in british industry don't forget he closed more pits than any other pm in the country, again thanks to the antics of the egotistical rotten dump egg scargill ,unions were destroyed forever. So again i say thank you for giving us and future generations the dregs you lot caused, why is it so important to own a home. As for a business i choose not to own one as there are too many dopey rules to follow if you take on employees, you can mock the rich all you like but who else would employ most of us Again as for america ,you cant fairly compare there society with ours they have a totally different way of life than us, i really don't understand your jealousy of rich people, do rich people not exist in socialist societies, do they still not get richer, most a lot of so called socialist countries are as corrupt as the met, not one has ever succeeded long term
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Post by pirate on Aug 12, 2017 18:52:58 GMT
Pirate i have said here many times that as more documents are being released from the 30's and 40's, most of what was taught in schools was a lie. I've always been shocked how many people still believe in the 6million lie, i think they just picked a number out of thin air to make it sound worse than it was, but slowly but surely the numbers are being dismissed as fantasy, if the true numbers were given to me and others it would be more shocking as 6 million is on the face of it incomprehensible it's too big to have a shocking effect. Before others jump on the pc bandwagon no im not a holocaust denier ,however i'm glad the true numbers are being reviewed all the time and a lot of myths are being dispelled, especially more and more of the doctored photos are being exposed. If you think about it the whole religion was at it's lowest point you would think that, they would try and help each other but no they policed the camps themselves and were as brutal if not more so than the guards to their own, in reality you would think that had you wife kids parents etc had been murdered that you would want to die too. as a follow on you would think that after the war those who survived would be more inclined for peace with others ,but no they have become what they despise . it amazes me that mossad aren't on the terrorist lists as they have done some wicked things over the years . What drives me mad is how the jews have managed to gain some form of special status with most people and get away with anything, and like other religions if anyone speaks out they get rounded on by everyone else. However a lot of people are now waking up to this and asking for sanctions against israel .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 22:34:31 GMT
Without trade unions ordinary people would be a lot poorer than they are today. Sadly the elite are pushing us ordinary people back to where we used to be. Open a business by all means but pay your workers a decent wage. The example i used on this thread of the wal-mart family making billions but paying there staff a pittance is a good example of extreme and total greed and humanity needs to find a better society for everyone not just the rich. Also by highlighting the early 70"s labour goverment your picking on its darkest moments and ignoring the wilson goverments achievements in the 1960"s and the atlee post war goverment. Thatcher destroyed our manufacturing base and created a mass of people with no future and got a state funeral when she died! you couldnt make it up You still dont get it do you the trade unions in the 70's screwed up union support for everyone, before my dad died i asked if he had any regrets and he replied yes all those strikes over nothing as it was the beginning of the end for workers in this country, so yup be proud that you did your bit in destroying the uk for future generations cheers fella much appreciated. Wilson did a runner when he realised the country was so screwed up, and royally screwed callaghan over(later to be repeated by bLair with brown. You also seem to forget wilson and attlee only followed the precedent set by the libs before them in workers rights and council housing. Wilson started the decline in british industry don't forget he closed more pits than any other pm in the country, again thanks to the antics of the egotistical rotten dump egg scargill ,unions were destroyed forever. So again i say thank you for giving us and future generations the dregs you lot caused, why is it so important to own a home. As for a business i choose not to own one as there are too many dopey rules to follow if you take on employees, you can mock the rich all you like but who else would employ most of us Again as for america ,you cant fairly compare there society with ours they have a totally different way of life than us, i really don't understand your jealousy of rich people, do rich people not exist in socialist societies, do they still not get richer, most a lot of so called socialist countries are as corrupt as the met, not one has ever succeeded long term I was a teenage apprentice in a small non union company during the callahan goverment!! Its a waste of time me and you arguing as were polar opposites in politics.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 2:19:11 GMT
Without trade unions ordinary people would be a lot poorer than they are today. Sadly the elite are pushing us ordinary people back to where we used to be. Open a business by all means but pay your workers a decent wage. The example i used on this thread of the wal-mart family making billions but paying there staff a pittance is a good example of extreme and total greed and humanity needs to find a better society for everyone not just the rich. Also by highlighting the early 70"s labour goverment your picking on its darkest moments and ignoring the wilson goverments achievements in the 1960"s and the atlee post war goverment. Thatcher destroyed our manufacturing base and created a mass of people with no future and got a state funeral when she died! you couldnt make it up You still dont get it do you the trade unions in the 70's screwed up union support for everyone, before my dad died i asked if he had any regrets and he replied yes all those strikes over nothing as it was the beginning of the end for workers in this country, so yup be proud that you did your bit in destroying the uk for future generations cheers fella much appreciated. Wilson did a runner when he realised the country was so screwed up, and royally screwed callaghan over(later to be repeated by bLair with brown. You also seem to forget wilson and attlee only followed the precedent set by the libs before them in workers rights and council housing. Wilson started the decline in british industry don't forget he closed more pits than any other pm in the country, again thanks to the antics of the egotistical rotten dump egg scargill ,unions were destroyed forever. So again i say thank you for giving us and future generations the dregs you lot caused, why is it so important to own a home. As for a business i choose not to own one as there are too many dopey rules to follow if you take on employees, you can mock the rich all you like but who else would employ most of us Again as for america ,you cant fairly compare there society with ours they have a totally different way of life than us, i really don't understand your jealousy of rich people, do rich people not exist in socialist societies, do they still not get richer, most a lot of so called socialist countries are as corrupt as the met, not one has ever succeeded long term ref wal-mart they employ many thousands of people in the uk by the way in case you didnt know. "dopey rules" by that you mean having a valid reason to sack someone do you? Go and have lunch with all your inherited wealth buddies and see how they regard you lol
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Post by inee on Aug 13, 2017 13:10:22 GMT
Yes wal mart do employ many in the uk in case you dint realise they are employed under uk employment rules not us employment rules,which are vastly different, dopey rules, it's difficult to sack people these days, i worked with a complete and utter dimp twat(several actually), couldn't do his job always asking for help and still not doing as asked etc but because he turnt up everyday they couldn't find a valid reason to let him go, one of several instances where employment laws override common sense and put unfair workloads on everyone else, couple things like that with people skiving off pretending to be sick, (which screws it up for those who are generally sick), stupid things like blokes getting paid time of when their mrs drops a sprog wtf is that all about, they should take holiday like we had to, stupid stuff like that prevents many people from taking on others, as a company grows it gets more expensive for the business owner to comply, hence why many companies don't expand too much and deliberately keep employee numbers down. I know quite a few people who are self employed but deliberately don't take on many others to avoid employment laws as they would have to comply when if they expanded. I've had the opportunity several time to go self employed but decided against it as i would dread taking on others because you could employ a total knob end and find it difficult to get rid. (plus i'm not the easiest person in the world to work with(i have little time for people who cant do the majority of their work without help). Inherited wealth buddies no thanks just because i hold nothing against their wealth it, doesn't mean i would socialise with them, i've worked alongside them in the past and i have yet to meet a good un. For the record i ain't got a pot to water in my only luxury is tobacco, do i hold it against anyone that i have very little wealth ,no i don't, do i wan't more no i don't, a long while back i had everything that people aspire to, now i have nowt, would i go back nope do i sit here blaming the rich nope. i just get on with it Arguing nah not arguing just having a good discussion
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Post by baggins on Aug 13, 2017 13:22:54 GMT
Yes wal mart do employ many in the uk in case you dint realise they are employed under uk employment rules not us employment rules,which are vastly different, dopey rules, it's difficult to sack people these days, i worked with a complete and utter dimp twat(several actually), couldn't do his job always asking for help and still not doing as asked etc but because he turnt up everyday they couldn't find a valid reason to let him go, one of several instances where employment laws override common sense and put unfair workloads on everyone else, couple things like that with people skiving off pretending to be sick, (which screws it up for those who are generally sick), stupid things like blokes getting paid time of when their mrs drops a sprog wtf is that all about, they should take holiday like we had to, stupid stuff like that prevents many people from taking on others, as a company grows it gets more expensive for the business owner to comply, hence why many companies don't expand too much and deliberately keep employee numbers down. I know quite a few people who are self employed but deliberately don't take on many others to avoid employment laws as they would have to comply when if they expanded. I've had the opportunity several time to go self employed but decided against it as i would dread taking on others because you could employ a total knob end and find it difficult to get rid. (plus i'm not the easiest person in the world to work with(i have little time for people who cant do the majority of their work without help). Inherited wealth buddies no thanks just because i hold nothing against their wealth it, doesn't mean i would socialise with them, i've worked alongside them in the past and i have yet to meet a good un. For the record i ain't got a pot to water in my only luxury is tobacco, do i hold it against anyone that i have very little wealth ,no i don't, do i wan't more no i don't, a long while back i had everything that people aspire to, now i have nowt, would i go back nope do i sit here blaming the rich nope. i just get on with it Arguing nah not arguing just having a good discussion Inherited wealth. Not easy sometimes.
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Post by inee on Aug 13, 2017 13:40:16 GMT
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Post by pirate on Aug 14, 2017 0:19:25 GMT
Vote Corbyn. No poodle to America and blind follower of Israel. It's clear who controls America Boycott. Divest. Sanction.
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Post by William Wilson on Aug 14, 2017 7:00:42 GMT
hugo listen to the lyrics of motorhead's song talking head , Tv is the most dangerous weapon ever invented. I`m sorry, Inee, but I don`t agree. To my way of thinking, the nuclear fusion bomb is far more dangerous. And I`ll tell you why. If somebody dropped a television from an aeroplane, and it landed half a mile away, it`s entirely possible that I wouldn`t even know that it had happened. On the other hand, if the Russians fired a Satan 2 nuclear missile and it landed half a mile away, I most definitely would know that it had happened. There would be a great flash, ( even more powerful than the torch that Nobby carries when he goes dogging ) and the paint work on my new car would be utterly ruined. QED.
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Post by pirate on Aug 14, 2017 9:55:08 GMT
hugo listen to the lyrics of motorhead's song talking head , Tv is the most dangerous weapon ever invented. I`m sorry, Inee, but I don`t agree. To my way of thinking, the nuclear fusion bomb is far more dangerous. And I`ll tell you why. If somebody dropped a television from an aeroplane, and it landed half a mile away, it`s entirely possible that I wouldn`t even know that it had happened. On the other hand, if the Russians fired a Satan 2 nuclear missile and it landed half a mile away, I most definitely would know that it had happened. There would be a great flash, ( even more powerful than the torch that Nobby carries when he goes dogging ) and the paint work on my new car would be utterly ruined. QED. Interesting interview here: www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/shock-interview-anders-bjorkman-is-a-professional-technologist-who-doesnt-believe-in-nukes/
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