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Post by warehamgas on Apr 25, 2018 9:52:57 GMT
No, but he won the Southern League Premier, that’s as good isnt it? 😉 UTG!
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Post by orgasmic on Apr 25, 2018 18:45:05 GMT
Out of curiosity what knowledge and experience do you think he lacks that a Championship Manager would bring? A lot more than a non league manager He's not a non league manager. He has been a football league manager for 3 seasons and has achieved promotion from football league 2 to football league 1 in that time. I was hoping you might reply with something a little more tangible as I was interested in what has led you to the opinion DC can't take us further. Although I disagree I remember thinking Southampton were nuts when they sacked Atkins for Potchetino after promotion and mid table placement first season in the Prem.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Apr 25, 2018 22:12:10 GMT
A lot more than a non league manager That’s just a glib reply. Seriously, outline the experience you think he lacks, I would love to know. What attributes do you think he lacks? UTG! Well first of all how to conduct an interview he his such a fidget it's embarrassing but how can we expect a manager who started off in non league and now is fighting to keep his head above water in league one get us into the championship. His experience and knowledge are not up to the job alot of his signings are crap look at the money wasted on Nichols again from a lower division and the last minute efforts at the end of the last transfer period we are useless at corners even worse at throw ins and hardley ever keep a clean sheet need I go on
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 25, 2018 22:18:05 GMT
Thank you for giving your reasons. That’s all I asked for rather than a throwaway line. But it’s all about opinions isn’t it? I understand some of what you said. But he’s made steady progress since 2014 and as for lack of experience, I guess Eddie Howe didn’t have much when he started but he learnt just as DC is doing. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 23:12:22 GMT
That’s just a glib reply. Seriously, outline the experience you think he lacks, I would love to know. What attributes do you think he lacks? UTG! Well first of all how to conduct an interview he his such a fidget it's embarrassing but how can we expect a manager who started off in non league and now is fighting to keep his head above water in league one get us into the championship. His experience and knowledge are not up to the job alot of his signings are crap look at the money wasted on Nichols  again from a lower division and the last minute efforts at the end of the last transfer period we are useless at corners even worse at throw ins and hardley ever keep a clean sheet need I go on Really? "Fidgetting at an interview" is a problem? Personally, I find him quite engagingly honest at interviews, bur even if I didn't, would that really be a reason he couldn't take us forward? "Fighting to keep his head above water"? A top 10 finish in his first year at League 1 level and an equally comfortable one where we haven't even flirted with relegation in his second season is hardly "fighting to keep his head above water". "A lot of his signings are crap"? Some haven't worked out, it's true, but find me a manager who got every signing right. Fergie signed Eric Djemba-Djemba and Massimo Taibi! I would suggest that for every poor signing made in League 1 alone (never mind the signings that got us this far), DC has made at least 3 or 4 that have been excellent. I'll see your Nichols (so far, but who knows how he'll turn out) and raise you Bennett, Craig, Broadbent, Sercombe... "Useless at corners and throw ins". I'm going to give you the corners comment, as it's not a strength. But again, not really a sackable offence now is it? "Hardly ever keep a clean sheet". Agreed, but then DC is a manager who always tries to entertain, to go for the win. That means taking risks on occasion. Anyway, if we score as many as or more than the opposition, the relative lack of clean sheets hardly matters. For a manager who has had to sell his best two players over the last year or so and still produced the results he has, he's done brilliantly. No-one's saying he is perfect and never makes errors. Even Fergie got things wrong, but no-one said he was a bad manager. Let's be clear. Darrell Clarke is by far and away the best thing that has happened to our football club probably since Gerry Francis. But he fidgets in interviews...?
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 26, 2018 0:53:57 GMT
Said it before but DC plays games in interviews imo. You’ve got to take what he says with a big pinch of salt and laugh at some of his antics. But to use that as an example of his lack of championship experience is a bit daft. Obviously something some posters don’t like but I find it a bit of a game he plays and never take it too seriously. In a way it’s his way of taking the **** out of journalists, the press and his detractors. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 26, 2018 0:56:07 GMT
Well first of all how to conduct an interview he his such a fidget it's embarrassing but how can we expect a manager who started off in non league and now is fighting to keep his head above water in league one get us into the championship. His experience and knowledge are not up to the job alot of his signings are crap look at the money wasted on Nichols again from a lower division and the last minute efforts at the end of the last transfer period we are useless at corners even worse at throw ins and hardley ever keep a clean sheet need I go on Really? "Fidgetting at an interview" is a problem? Personally, I find him quite engagingly honest at interviews, bur even if I didn't, would that really be a reason he couldn't take us forward? "Fighting to keep his head above water"? A top 10 finish in his first year at League 1 level and an equally comfortable one where we haven't even flirted with relegation in his second season is hardly "fighting to keep his head above water". "A lot of his signings are crap"? Some haven't worked out, it's true, but find me a manager who got every signing right. Fergie signed Eric Djemba-Djemba and Massimo Taibi! I would suggest that for every poor signing made in League 1 alone (never mind the signings that got us this far), DC has made at least 3 or 4 that have been excellent. I'll see your Nichols (so far, but who knows how he'll turn out) and raise you Bennett, Craig, Broadbent, Sercombe... "Useless at corners and throw ins". I'm going to give you the corners comment, as it's not a strength. But again, not really a sackable offence now is it? "Hardly ever keep a clean sheet". Agreed, but then DC is a manager who always tries to entertain, to go for the win. That means taking risks on occasion. Anyway, if we score as many as or more than the opposition, the relative lack of clean sheets hardly matters. For a manager who has had to sell his best two players over the last year or so and still produced the results he has, he's done brilliantly. No-one's saying he is perfect and never makes errors. Even Fergie got things wrong, but no-one said he was a bad manager. Let's be clear. Darrell Clarke is by far and away the best thing that has happened to our football club probably since Gerry Francis. But he fidgets in interviews...? Well said gas1970. Exactly this. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 7:05:19 GMT
That’s just a glib reply. Seriously, outline the experience you think he lacks, I would love to know. What attributes do you think he lacks? UTG! Well first of all how to conduct an interview he his such a fidget it's embarrassing but how can we expect a manager who started off in non league and now is fighting to keep his head above water in league one get us into the championship. His experience and knowledge are not up to the job alot of his signings are crap look at the money wasted on Nichols again from a lower division and the last minute efforts at the end of the last transfer period we are useless at corners even worse at throw ins and hardley ever keep a clean sheet need I go on So how did Eddie Howe ever become a Premiership Manager? Surely, using your logic, he didn't have the experience or knowledge to get that far?
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Apr 26, 2018 10:27:23 GMT
If DC were to leave we would find it difficult to replace him with someone who really understands how this club works and how to get the absolute maximum out of the resources available. I hope he is here until our evolution is well underway.
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Post by singupgas on Apr 26, 2018 10:33:54 GMT
If DC were to leave we would find it difficult to replace him with someone who really understands how this club works and how to get the absolute maximum out of the resources available. I hope he is here until our evolution is well underway. I would not blame DC if he now thought the time was right to move on. But as you said, our evolution needs to be well underway... live in hope but why haven't we heard anything still regards training ground, project management was assigned months ago.
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Post by Blueside on Apr 26, 2018 13:14:04 GMT
Have a big party then once sobered up appoint Alan Pardew Surely you'd still need to be P*ssed to do that?
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Post by oj81 on Apr 26, 2018 20:02:03 GMT
Really? "Fidgetting at an interview" is a problem? Personally, I find him quite engagingly honest at interviews, bur even if I didn't, would that really be a reason he couldn't take us forward? "Fighting to keep his head above water"? A top 10 finish in his first year at League 1 level and an equally comfortable one where we haven't even flirted with relegation in his second season is hardly "fighting to keep his head above water". "A lot of his signings are crap"? Some haven't worked out, it's true, but find me a manager who got every signing right. Fergie signed Eric Djemba-Djemba and Massimo Taibi! I would suggest that for every poor signing made in League 1 alone (never mind the signings that got us this far), DC has made at least 3 or 4 that have been excellent. I'll see your Nichols (so far, but who knows how he'll turn out) and raise you Bennett, Craig, Broadbent, Sercombe... "Useless at corners and throw ins". I'm going to give you the corners comment, as it's not a strength. But again, not really a sackable offence now is it? "Hardly ever keep a clean sheet". Agreed, but then DC is a manager who always tries to entertain, to go for the win. That means taking risks on occasion. Anyway, if we score as many as or more than the opposition, the relative lack of clean sheets hardly matters. For a manager who has had to sell his best two players over the last year or so and still produced the results he has, he's done brilliantly. No-one's saying he is perfect and never makes errors. Even Fergie got things wrong, but no-one said he was a bad manager. Let's be clear. Darrell Clarke is by far and away the best thing that has happened to our football club probably since Gerry Francis. But he fidgets in interviews...? Well said gas1970. Exactly this. UTG! I just think he's a bit uncomfortable doing interviews, nerves I guess. That hardly has anything to do with his ability to manage. Most manager's talk rubbish in interviews, or state the blo*dy obvious. I don't think he's been given the budget he deserves and been forced to sell the best players we've had. I think with a bit more money to spend he can get us into the championship, if we hadn't lost bodin I think we'd be in the playoff places now. I think easily best manager since Francis as someone said already.
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Post by socrates on Apr 27, 2018 0:06:47 GMT
Well first of all how to conduct an interview he his such a fidget it's embarrassing but how can we expect a manager who started off in non league and now is fighting to keep his head above water in league one get us into the championship. His experience and knowledge are not up to the job alot of his signings are crap look at the money wasted on Nichols  again from a lower division and the last minute efforts at the end of the last transfer period we are useless at corners even worse at throw ins and hardley ever keep a clean sheet need I go on Really? "Fidgetting at an interview" is a problem? Personally, I find him quite engagingly honest at interviews, bur even if I didn't, would that really be a reason he couldn't take us forward? "Fighting to keep his head above water"? A top 10 finish in his first year at League 1 level and an equally comfortable one where we haven't even flirted with relegation in his second season is hardly "fighting to keep his head above water". "A lot of his signings are crap"? Some haven't worked out, it's true, but find me a manager who got every signing right. Fergie signed Eric Djemba-Djemba and Massimo Taibi! I would suggest that for every poor signing made in League 1 alone (never mind the signings that got us this far), DC has made at least 3 or 4 that have been excellent. I'll see your Nichols (so far, but who knows how he'll turn out) and raise you Bennett, Craig, Broadbent, Sercombe... "Useless at corners and throw ins". I'm going to give you the corners comment, as it's not a strength. But again, not really a sackable offence now is it? "Hardly ever keep a clean sheet". Agreed, but then DC is a manager who always tries to entertain, to go for the win. That means taking risks on occasion. Anyway, if we score as many as or more than the opposition, the relative lack of clean sheets hardly matters. For a manager who has had to sell his best two players over the last year or so and still produced the results he has, he's done brilliantly. No-one's saying he is perfect and never makes errors. Even Fergie got things wrong, but no-one said he was a bad manager. Let's be clear. Darrell Clarke is by far and away the best thing that has happened to our football club probably since Gerry Francis. But he fidgets in interviews...? You’ve just summed up DC to a tee and that’s why we all love him. Well.... 99% of us.
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Post by blueridge on Apr 27, 2018 9:04:19 GMT
Lee Brown In his interview was tactfully suggesting that the club is not Championship ready - if he thinks it, it effectively IMO suggests that rest of the playing staff think the same. IMO DC will be moving on sooner rather than later - he's taken the club as far as he can in its current state and to be totally true to himself he needs a bigger challenge and a stepping stone perhaps at a bigger League 1 club to test his capabilities at managing a club big enough to mount a serious challenge for promotion. If a club like Portsmouth came in for him, I'm 100% convinced in my own mind he would be off - and I wouldn't blame him one iota.
Unfortunately the club is still locked in the previous century with little chance of serious progression until there is huge off field investment - and that's not coming any time soon to keep DC's undoubted ambitions fulfilled. The day is coming I'm afraid - sooner rather than later - when he will be leaving us.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 9:09:13 GMT
Lee Brown In his interview was tactfully suggesting that the club is not Championship ready - if he thinks it, it effectively IMO suggests that rest of the playing staff think the same. IMO DC will be moving on sooner rather than later - he's taken the club as far as he can in its current state and to be totally true to himself he needs a bigger challenge and a stepping stone perhaps at a bigger League 1 club to test his capabilities at managing a club big enough to mount a serious challenge for promotion. If a club like Portsmouth came in for him, I'm 100% convinced in my own mind he would be off - and I wouldn't blame him one iota. Unfortunately the club is still locked in the previous century with little chance of serious progression until there is huge off field investment - and that's not coming any time soon to keep DC's undoubted ambitions fulfilled. The day is coming I'm afraid - sooner rather than later - when he will be leaving us. I totally with with that, but unfortunately I can't give it a 'Like' !
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Post by Henbury Gas on Apr 27, 2018 9:14:38 GMT
Lee Brown In his interview was tactfully suggesting that the club is not Championship ready - if he thinks it, it effectively IMO suggests that rest of the playing staff think the same. IMO DC will be moving on sooner rather than later - he's taken the club as far as he can in its current state and to be totally true to himself he needs a bigger challenge and a stepping stone perhaps at a bigger League 1 club to test his capabilities at managing a club big enough to mount a serious challenge for promotion. If a club like Portsmouth came in for him, I'm 100% convinced in my own mind he would be off - and I wouldn't blame him one iota. Unfortunately the club is still locked in the previous century with little chance of serious progression until there is huge off field investment - and that's not coming any time soon to keep DC's undoubted ambitions fulfilled. The day is coming I'm afraid - sooner rather than later - when he will be leaving us. I would respectfully suggest that you are completely wrong
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Post by Colyton Gas on Apr 27, 2018 9:26:48 GMT
Timing is everything.Brian Clough got it badly wrong.Think Browner has got it right.Think losing DC would spell going backwards both for him and us.Not sure though how long he will put up with the lack of progress ,ground-wise after so many false dawns.The lack of any meaningful progress on the stadium and training ground is lamentable and suspect the visiting fans are not too impressed standing in the rain with facilities which fall way behind others including non league and is an embarrassment.
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Post by blueridge on Apr 27, 2018 9:32:22 GMT
Lee Brown In his interview was tactfully suggesting that the club is not Championship ready - if he thinks it, it effectively IMO suggests that rest of the playing staff think the same. IMO DC will be moving on sooner rather than later - he's taken the club as far as he can in its current state and to be totally true to himself he needs a bigger challenge and a stepping stone perhaps at a bigger League 1 club to test his capabilities at managing a club big enough to mount a serious challenge for promotion. If a club like Portsmouth came in for him, I'm 100% convinced in my own mind he would be off - and I wouldn't blame him one iota. Unfortunately the club is still locked in the previous century with little chance of serious progression until there is huge off field investment - and that's not coming any time soon to keep DC's undoubted ambitions fulfilled. The day is coming I'm afraid - sooner rather than later - when he will be leaving us. I would respectfully suggest that you are completely wrong I hope I am Henbury.
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Post by baggins on Apr 27, 2018 10:39:50 GMT
I would respectfully suggest that you are completely wrong I hope I am Henbury. Can I still be Baggins?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 10:42:57 GMT
In this New World Baggins, you can be whoever you want to be.
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