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Post by LJG on Jun 3, 2018 11:26:04 GMT
Oh NOW you're bothered about something becoming fact just because it's been repeated on here. Not BOTHERED just saying I can't see how the costs of two stands, the bar refurb inc air con and moving the club shop, plus the new turnstiles, will be recouped in one season, it clearly needs doing as we won't be moving for 5/10 years as I've suggested before. Like I said before - obviously your blind reckoning is a better guide than the financial forecasting of the board.
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Post by lpgas on Jun 3, 2018 13:10:30 GMT
That was 8 months ago and there's been total silence since with the owners have now moved to spending money on the Mem for really the first time since they bought the club. Yeah but maybe total silence is a good thing as it could mean things are getting done behind the scenes. I take Wael stepping down from the Jordanian FA to focus on Rovers as a good omen. Or Not
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Post by lpgas on Jun 3, 2018 13:14:05 GMT
To be honest now is the time to build, steel is at it's cheapest, but only for a few days!
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Post by peterparker on Jun 3, 2018 13:29:20 GMT
Posted by Dirt Dogg 12 hours ago Wael has done more to take us forward and spent more money in his short time with the club than members of the old board did in 25+ years at the helm. Give our supreme leader a break. Some people have very short (even none) memories. We were homeless and renting Twerton Park until Mr Dunford's board of Directors brought the Rovers back to Bristol at the Mem with a 50% share in it's ownership, then latterly 100% full ownership. That was if I recall correctly with a £5m mortgage. Valued today at £10-15m? In the Dunfords I trusted and eternally grateful, In Al Qadi I trust. There appears to be IMO only two differences between the old and new board. The old board were Bristolians and Gasheads with a little money. The new board is a non Bristolian football fanatic with a newly acquired gashead affinity with a bit more money. There are many non Bristolian gasheads attending matchs and writing on this forum. Good night I will see you min my dreams. Thing is we bought the mem in 1996. In 22 years since nothing much has been done at the ground as we were building a new North Stand, or a complete rebuild, or UWE or whatever and the current home has fallen by the wayside. The improvements at The Mem prior were basically funded bu us punters. If we can make The Mem more welcoming in the short term whils working to something better. Seems like a good idea to me especially if a lot of it is cost neutral
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 3, 2018 14:41:47 GMT
Not BOTHERED just saying I can't see how the costs of two stands, the bar refurb inc air con and moving the club shop, plus the new turnstiles, will be recouped in one season, it clearly needs doing as we won't be moving for 5/10 years as I've suggested before. Like I said before - obviously your blind reckoning is a better guide than the financial forecasting of the board. What is the board's financial forecasting?
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Post by LJG on Jun 3, 2018 14:46:29 GMT
Like I said before - obviously your blind reckoning is a better guide than the financial forecasting of the board. What is the board's financial forecasting? What's yours? You're the one who seems so certain. What's your estimated cost of the new assets and what's the increased revenue generated from the bars etc?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 15:54:20 GMT
Let's be honest, on the rare occasion I have ventured into the bar that is now being renovated, my thoughts were what a tip. So it's not before time something is being done in that area, I would hope the supporters club bar is also having similar treatment.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 3, 2018 17:24:18 GMT
The money spent on the Mem is a cost that will be recouped within a year. It's a red herring to believe that the expenditure on the Mem means anything either way. It maybe but it hardly gives you hope we'll be announcing anything soon about a new stadium, the silence on the training ground plans just add to those concerns. As far as the costs being recouped in a year is that something which has become fact because somebody posted it on the forum, as without knowing the costs I can't see how anybody can state that is really the case. I think I gave this information before already but I was certainly one of the people on here who has stated it as a fact. Steve Hamer was on record last year as saying that the SW stand paid for itself within a season so it's not unreasonable to assume the 2 new stands will too. The information that the bar refurbishment will be covered by projected increase in income has come from Tom Gorringe who's job it is to know these things. Same goes for the shop/Blue bar although I confess I'm not 100% certain that that will be covered within a year but I know it's projected to over the minimum of 3 years that any rebuild or relocation would happen in. It is also a fact that improving fan match day experience is one of the major reasons for the improvements. Again, TG is the person to talk to to have this confirmed. The thing about people on here is that they are happy to have rumours and bollocks become forum facts and they never reveal their source. Funny old game innit.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 3, 2018 19:46:26 GMT
What is the board's financial forecasting? What's yours? You're the one who seems so certain. What's your estimated cost of the new assets and what's the increased revenue generated from the bars etc? Certain of what, all I'm certain is that we spending a small fortune at the Mem, compared to the previous owners and also the last two summers. If it can be recoup in just one season it makes you wonder why we've been kept waiting so long for the match day experience to be improved.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 3, 2018 20:56:56 GMT
Posted by Dirt Dogg 12 hours ago Wael has done more to take us forward and spent more money in his short time with the club than members of the old board did in 25+ years at the helm. Give our supreme leader a break. Some people have very short (even none) memories. We were homeless and renting Twerton Park until Mr Dunford's board of Directors brought the Rovers back to Bristol at the Mem with a 50% share in it's ownership, then latterly 100% full ownership. That was if I recall correctly with a £5m mortgage. Valued today at £10-15m? In the Dunfords I trusted and eternally grateful, In Al Qadi I trust. There appears to be IMO only two differences between the old and new board. The old board were Bristolians and Gasheads with a little money. The new board is a non Bristolian football fanatic with a newly acquired gashead affinity with a bit more money. There are many non Bristolian gasheads attending matchs and writing on this forum. Good night I will see you min my dreams. Our president is a football fanatic. The money comes from his brother, who doesn’t like football. At all.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 3, 2018 21:43:56 GMT
Posted by Dirt Dogg 12 hours ago Wael has done more to take us forward and spent more money in his short time with the club than members of the old board did in 25+ years at the helm. Give our supreme leader a break. Some people have very short (even none) memories. We were homeless and renting Twerton Park until Mr Dunford's board of Directors brought the Rovers back to Bristol at the Mem with a 50% share in it's ownership, then latterly 100% full ownership. That was if I recall correctly with a £5m mortgage. Valued today at £10-15m? In the Dunfords I trusted and eternally grateful, In Al Qadi I trust. There appears to be IMO only two differences between the old and new board. The old board were Bristolians and Gasheads with a little money. The new board is a non Bristolian football fanatic with a newly acquired gashead affinity with a bit more money. There are many non Bristolian gasheads attending matchs and writing on this forum. Good night I will see you min my dreams. Our president is a football fanatic. The money comes from his brother, who doesn’t like foo'tball. At all. Any idea how Hani managed to get in a position where he had total control over Weal's, Sami's & his own father's wealth to the extent they have no say how their own money is spent, or are you just making that up like does Gasincider now seems to because if fits your anti ALQ agenda?
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Post by LJG on Jun 3, 2018 21:48:02 GMT
What's yours? You're the one who seems so certain. What's your estimated cost of the new assets and what's the increased revenue generated from the bars etc? Certain of what, all I'm certain is that we spending a small fortune at the Mem, compared to the previous owners and also the last two summers. If it can be recoup in just one season it makes you wonder why we've been kept waiting so long for the match day experience to be improved. You've stated your doubt about the ability for the works to pay for themselves about five times. That seems pretty certain.
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Post by swissgas on Jun 3, 2018 21:49:24 GMT
Our president is a football fanatic. The money comes from his brother, who doesn’t like foo'tball. At all. Any idea how Hani managed to get in a position where he had total control over Weal's, Sami's & his own father's wealth to the extent they have no say how their own money is spent, or are you just making that up like does Gasincider now seems to because if fits your anti ALQ agenda? Topper it was Steve Hamer himself who told us all financial matters were dealt with by Hani. Don't you remember the interview when he was going to London next day for a meeting about budgets ?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 3, 2018 21:59:47 GMT
Posted by Dirt Dogg 12 hours ago Wael has done more to take us forward and spent more money in his short time with the club than members of the old board did in 25+ years at the helm. Give our supreme leader a break. Some people have very short (even none) memories. We were homeless and renting Twerton Park until Mr Dunford's board of Directors brought the Rovers back to Bristol at the Mem with a 50% share in it's ownership, then latterly 100% full ownership. That was if I recall correctly with a £5m mortgage. Valued today at £10-15m? In the Dunfords I trusted and eternally grateful, In Al Qadi I trust. There appears to be IMO only two differences between the old and new board. The old board were Bristolians and Gasheads with a little money. The new board is a non Bristolian football fanatic with a newly acquired gashead affinity with a bit more money. There are many non Bristolian gasheads attending matchs and writing on this forum. Good night I will see you min my dreams. Our president is a football fanatic. The money comes from his brother, who doesn’t like football. At all. Presumably then any money spent will be after a cost/benefit analysis and is financially viable.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 4, 2018 6:04:45 GMT
Our president is a football fanatic. The money comes from his brother, who doesn’t like foo'tball. At all. Any idea how Hani managed to get in a position where he had total control over Weal's, Sami's & his own father's wealth to the extent they have no say how their own money is spent, or are you just making that up like does Gasincider now seems to because if fits your anti ALQ agenda? Well it’s pretty well known fact that Hani is control of the finances. Hamer said as much during that famous interview with GT. “He was off to London to give a financial report as Hani is the money man” or words to that effect. During the negotiations for purchase the old board mostly dealt with Hani. You ask anyone of them, they will tell you the same thing. I am not anti ALQ at all, i do see positives and for the large part, their influence has been good. I’m just calling them out on things that don’t make sense, for their lack of communication, for questioning the amount of year on year loses with no plan stopping that and pushing the club towards a more sustainable future, and for not outlining any real future for stadium and training ground development.
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Post by lpgas on Jun 4, 2018 9:52:43 GMT
Posted by Dirt Dogg 12 hours ago Wael has done more to take us forward and spent more money in his short time with the club than members of the old board did in 25+ years at the helm. Give our supreme leader a break. Some people have very short (even none) memories. We were homeless and renting Twerton Park until Mr Dunford's board of Directors brought the Rovers back to Bristol at the Mem with a 50% share in it's ownership, then latterly 100% full ownership. That was if I recall correctly with a £5m mortgage. Valued today at £10-15m? In the Dunfords I trusted and eternally grateful, In Al Qadi I trust. There appears to be IMO only two differences between the old and new board. The old board were Bristolians and Gasheads with a little money. The new board is a non Bristolian football fanatic with a newly acquired gashead affinity with a bit more money. There are many non Bristolian gasheads attending matchs and writing on this forum. Good night I will see you min my dreams. Thing is we bought the mem in 1996. In 22 years since nothing much has been done at the ground as we were building a new North Stand, or a complete rebuild, or UWE or whatever and the current home has fallen by the wayside. The improvements at The Mem prior were basically funded bu us punters. If we can make The Mem more welcoming in the short term whils working to something better. Seems like a good idea to me especially if a lot of it is cost neutral I would imagine the Al Qadi's have considerably more money that the Dunfords. I admire the Dunfords more because no one else was interested in taking us on
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Post by knowall on Jun 4, 2018 12:53:45 GMT
Any idea how Hani managed to get in a position where he had total control over Weal's, Sami's & his own father's wealth to the extent they have no say how their own money is spent, or are you just making that up like does Gasincider now seems to because if fits your anti ALQ agenda? Well it’s pretty well known fact that Hani is control of the finances. Hamer said as much during that famous interview with GT. “He was off to London to give a financial report as Hani is the money man” or words to that effect. During the negotiations for purchase the old board mostly dealt with Hani. You ask anyone of them, they will tell you the same thing. I am not anti ALQ at all, i do see positives and for the large part, their influence has been good. I’m just calling them out on things that don’t make sense, for their lack of communication, for questioning the amount of year on year loses with no plan stopping that and pushing the club towards a more sustainable future, and for not outlining any real future for stadium and training ground development. Most (if not all) corporate organizations have someone on the Board who takes responsibility for the finances. After all, that makes sense and it would be unusual if that did not apply to DS. In my experience, many companies go wrong when they ignore the advice of their financial Director. I suggest that applies especially to football clubs generally. It is great that you now say that the ALQs are getting some things right, but am surprised that you are unable to understand why communications about their future financial, stadium and training ground plans are now non-existent - they have learnt that sharing with supporters opens them up to too much flack before anything is confirmed and gets off the ground. Anyone who invests in the Club, as I believe you do, will learn plenty in private talks if DS know the knowledge will not be used to criticise in public.
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Post by spiess1 on Jun 4, 2018 13:11:06 GMT
're which..... I reckon supporter/s revealing the UWE breakdown before they wanted explains all subsequent 'silence' from the top.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jun 4, 2018 23:26:38 GMT
We want our Higgs back.
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Post by lpgas on Jun 5, 2018 16:47:39 GMT
Our president is a football fanatic. The money comes from his brother, who doesn’t like foo'tball. At all. Any idea how Hani managed to get in a position where he had total control over Weal's, Sami's & his own father's wealth to the extent they have no say how their own money is spent, or are you just making that up like does Gasincider now seems to because if fits your anti ALQ agenda? He is The Eldest Son. Simple
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