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Post by darkbluegas on Nov 29, 2019 9:39:22 GMT
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Post by Squiffy on Nov 29, 2019 9:41:42 GMT
No. How can there be “unlawful killing” and no accountability.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 29, 2019 9:45:57 GMT
Absolutely not. This has been a massive cover up right from the start. That Duckenfield has escaped without being jailed is appalling & it makes the families continue to suffer.
I can’t see the families giving up. They have battled to this point so will carry on. These are the people I feel so sorry for.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Nov 29, 2019 9:49:23 GMT
One can only hope that man’s soul has been tortured every single day/night since that horrific afternoon.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 29, 2019 9:49:37 GMT
Meanwhile, on the same day, Harvey Proctor gets £500,000. Not to malign HP who was clearly innocent, but it's amazing what you get when you're upper class compared to what you get when you're not.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 29, 2019 10:09:42 GMT
How many Liverpool supporters went to jail over the Heysel Stadium disaster ?
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 29, 2019 10:17:34 GMT
Absolutely not. This has been a massive cover up right from the start. That Duckenfield has escaped without being jailed is appalling & it makes the families continue to suffer. I can’t see the families giving up. They have battled to this point so will carry on. These are the people I feel so sorry for. Couldn`t agree less. "The court heard the chief superintendent ordered the opening of exit gates at the Leppings Lane end of the ground at 2.52pm, eight minutes before kick-off, after the area outside the turnstiles became dangerously overcrowded." If he hadn`t opened the gate, people may well have died outside the ground, and there would have been a clamour for him to be prosecuted for that. Caught between Scylla and Charybdis. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 29, 2019 10:21:34 GMT
How many Liverpool supporters went to jail over the Heysel Stadium disaster ? 7 |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 29, 2019 10:26:18 GMT
Absolutely not. This has been a massive cover up right from the start. That Duckenfield has escaped without being jailed is appalling & it makes the families continue to suffer. I can’t see the families giving up. They have battled to this point so will carry on. These are the people I feel so sorry for. Couldn`t agree less. "The court heard the chief superintendent ordered the opening of exit gates at the Leppings Lane end of the ground at 2.52pm, eight minutes before kick-off, after the area outside the turnstiles became dangerously overcrowded." If he hadn`t opened the gate, people may well have died outside the ground, and there would have been a clamour for him to be prosecuted for that. Caught between Scylla and Charybdis. This is plainly bullshit, though. Have we ever had mass deaths in a football crowd crush outside a stadium, in these sort of circumstances? You'd think from the way they express that that people die outside football grounds all the time and the only way to save them is to let them into the stadiums. It doesn't even pass the first sniff of the bullshit test. Who thinks that the way to avoid a crush is to funnel people into a more enclosed space? Caught between Scylla and Malakies. |
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Post by althepirate on Nov 29, 2019 10:29:58 GMT
I could never understand why the kick off wasnt delayed. If fans turned up without tickets they have to take some responsibility too imo.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 29, 2019 10:36:01 GMT
I remember watching it live. A horrendous tragedy which everyone from the FA, football clubs and authorities learnt from.
Trying to pin the whole tragedy on one man however is difficult. Culpability lies with so many people.
Football was a different animal back then and I believe some of the tragedy was self inflicted by constant hooliganism which meant fences and pens were erected to keep fans in.
Thankfully all the lessons of that tragedy were learned and it’s a much safer environment now.
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 29, 2019 10:44:07 GMT
Couldn`t agree less. "The court heard the chief superintendent ordered the opening of exit gates at the Leppings Lane end of the ground at 2.52pm, eight minutes before kick-off, after the area outside the turnstiles became dangerously overcrowded." If he hadn`t opened the gate, people may well have died outside the ground, and there would have been a clamour for him to be prosecuted for that. Caught between Scylla and Charybdis. This is plainly bullshit, though. Have we ever had mass deaths in a football crowd crush outside a stadium, in these sort of circumstances? You'd think from the way they express that that people die outside football grounds all the time and the only way to save them is to let them into the stadiums. It doesn't even pass the first sniff of the bullshit test. Who thinks that the way to avoid a crush is to funnel people into a more enclosed space? Caught between Scylla and Malakies. Looking at footage of what was happening outside the turnstiles, anybody would have been concerned that fatalities might well happen. Just because it hadn`t happened before, doesn`t mean that it might not have been the first. Duckenfield had a matter of minutes to ponder his decision, not the benefit of thirty years of hindsight. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 29, 2019 10:48:58 GMT
I could never understand why the kick off wasnt delayed. If fans turned up without tickets they have to take some responsibility too imo. There is taking some responsibility but there are also the many deaths. You get people turn up without tickets all across the country but no one dies. I can’t believe some still obviously think the fans were at fault. I best stop there as it really is an emotive subject and I could write an essay on the awful crowd management. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 29, 2019 10:51:16 GMT
This is plainly bullshit, though. Have we ever had mass deaths in a football crowd crush outside a stadium, in these sort of circumstances? You'd think from the way they express that that people die outside football grounds all the time and the only way to save them is to let them into the stadiums. It doesn't even pass the first sniff of the bullshit test. Who thinks that the way to avoid a crush is to funnel people into a more enclosed space? Caught between Scylla and Malakies. Looking at footage of what was happening outside the turnstiles, anybody would have been concerned that fatalities might well happen. Just because it hadn`t happened before, doesn`t mean that it might not have been the first. Duckenfield had a matter of minutes to ponder his decision, not the benefit of thirty years of hindsight. So he had two minutes to invent a completely unique event that had never happened and has never happened since, and to act on that? I'm not saying he's guilty of anything, I've no idea, and haven't been following the trial closely, but just making up an imaginary event that doesn't pass the sniff test, isn't clarifying anything, and isn't helping anything, it's just piling another level of bullshit on levels of bullshit that the authorities have felt the need to pile on since pretty much the moment it happened. No idea why a football fan would want to help the authorities in piling on that bullshit, either. |
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Post by chewbacca on Nov 29, 2019 10:52:10 GMT
How many Liverpool supporters went to jail over the Heysel Stadium disaster ? 7 When's International Men's Day? |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 29, 2019 10:57:33 GMT
How many Liverpool supporters went to jail over the Heysel Stadium disaster ? 7 Thank you, how many police officers went to jail ? |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 29, 2019 10:59:27 GMT
Thank you, how many police officers went to jail ? Do you have access to the internet? |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 29, 2019 10:59:34 GMT
I could never understand why the kick off wasnt delayed. If fans turned up without tickets they have to take some responsibility too imo. There is taking some responsibility but there are also the many deaths. You get people turn up without tickets all across the country but no one dies. I can’t believe some still obviously think the fans were at fault. I best stop there as it really is an emotive subject and I could write an essay on the awful crowd management. I agree we've had this bullshit for years that's it's the fans fault, the police cover up, Liverpool fans robbing the dead ,police looking for thrown away beer cans on the M62 to prove Liverpool fans were dead.etc If you look at the footage the section neXT to where he let in all the fans was almost empty, he made a negligent and catastrophic decision that caused the death of 96 fans. If that had happened in the Royal Enclosure at Ascot do you think we would have 30 years of injustice,I think not. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 29, 2019 11:00:44 GMT
There is taking some responsibility but there are also the many deaths. You get people turn up without tickets all across the country but no one dies. I can’t believe some still obviously think the fans were at fault. I best stop there as it really is an emotive subject and I could write an essay on the awful crowd management. I agree we've had this bullshit for years that's it's the fans fault, the police cover up, Liverpool fans robbing the dead ,police looking for thrown away beer cans on the M62 to prove Liverpool fans were dead.etc If you look at the footage the section neXT to where he let in all the fans was almost empty, he made a negligent and catastrophic decision that caused the death of 96 fans. If that had happened in the Royal Enclosure at Ascot do you think we would have 30 years of injustice,I think not. Sorry drunk not dead |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 29, 2019 11:02:49 GMT
I agree we've had this bullshit for years that's it's the fans fault, the police cover up, Liverpool fans robbing the dead ,police looking for thrown away beer cans on the M62 to prove Liverpool fans were dead.etc If you look at the footage the section neXT to where he let in all the fans was almost empty, he made a negligent and catastrophic decision that caused the death of 96 fans. If that had happened in the Royal Enclosure at Ascot do you think we would have 30 years of injustice,I think not. Sorry drunk not dead I understood that. I have to edit many of my own posts. |
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