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Post by axegas on Mar 9, 2020 15:00:26 GMT
The games coming up will be key. Tranmere have struggling Blackpool, followed by fellow relegation candidates Lincoln, Rochdale and AFC Wimbledon. We’ve got Sunderland, Ipswich and Peterborough. If we don’t pick up any points in that time and Tranmere get a minimum of 7, which is possible, then we will really start to look over our shoulders. If not then we will be safe. Even with that being the case you think Garner deserves to stay until Christmas? I’ve never said till Christmas. I would just like to see him given the summer so that he has an opportunity to get rid of a lot of players that have been garbage under him, bring in players that will suit the style of play he’s looking to implement and have a pre season to get them used to new tactics etc. If we are still sh** after that then yeah I’d obviously want him out. DC was thrown in the deep end with a team of underperforming pro’s and struggled too but Higgs gave him the summer which gave him an opportunity to make drastic changes and the rest is history. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 9, 2020 15:02:25 GMT
Even with that being the case you think Garner deserves to stay until Christmas? I’ve never said till Christmas. I would just like to see him given the summer so that he has an opportunity to get rid of a lot of players that have been garbage under him, bring in players that will suit the style of play he’s looking to implement and have a pre season to get them used to new tactics etc. DC was thrown in the deep end with a team of underperforming pro’s and struggled too but Higgs gave him the summer which gave him an opportunity to make drastic changes and the rest is history. DC was over a much shorter period at the end of his season and I genuinely believed him, even then. In fact the interview he gave after relegation was the best and most inspiring interview I have ever heard from a Rovers manager. BG I just can't buy into at all, there may be a place for him in football but I don't believe he is a football manager. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 15:02:28 GMT
the players are sh** and come the end of the season the cream rises to the top,look at Wycombe they are sh** really and won’t finish in the top 10 similar gc ball If you think we ever had a chance of finishing in top 6 your mad,we had soooo much luck of the Irish it’s unbelievable,we are now where I thought we would be at start of the season we have zero quality I’m sorry to say The way the players have treated garner is sh**,first time manager and seems a knowledgeable bloke You would think think players would try their best and give the bloke a chance but no I can imagine they only listen if they got the gc hair dryer at ht after another sh** first half I would give garner the summer to get out all the overpaid crap stealing a living and get players in that will suit his style and play for the shirt There will be a lot of our players struggling to find a club next season cause the ain’t worth anything,would rather play kids Whether you like it or not. These same players who you call "sh**" managed to get us up to 4th in the league (not to mention the results for the 2nd part last season). Ben Garner was allowed to bring plenty of his own players in Jan, in fact way more than I expected whilst hardly any outgoings. Barrett for example seems like he doesn't look after himself off the pitch yet we rushed to sign him at the start of Jan. Ben Garner is clearly no up to the job, he is so far out of his depth it's unbelieveable. Could anyone on here actually do any worse? No experience, no leadership, no personality, no results, excuses galore. I'm sure he's a nice bloke but football manager he is not. A nice bloke would put the club first by resigning and holding his hands up, not make excuses. Garner is a stage 5 clinger hanging on for dear life even though, despite what he says, he knows he is doing more harm than good. In some ways a relegation battle will be a good thing because Garner isn’t being tested at the moment. Let’s see what he says when Tranmere are only a few points behind and relegation is a very real possibility. Even his bullshit won’t be able to deflect from taking a team from 4th to a relegation battle. |
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Post by paulpirate on Mar 9, 2020 15:03:04 GMT
why should the players get away with it,so if you don’t like your boss you don’t work anymore down tools still take your wage and f**k the paying customers I don't think league one players are good enough to be in a position to "down tools". BG can't motivate me so go knows how he's going to motivate them. Anyway he bought plenty of his own players in if that's the problem. well if the haven’t downed tools then we need a massive clear out in the summer then cause they are not good enough fact,blame the manager as well yes but it’s them that get the money to play and they are treating the supporters like mugs |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 15:04:04 GMT
Even with that being the case you think Garner deserves to stay until Christmas? I’ve never said till Christmas. I would just like to see him given the summer so that he has an opportunity to get rid of a lot of players that have been garbage under him, bring in players that will suit the style of play he’s looking to implement and have a pre season to get them used to new tactics etc. If we are still sh** after that then yeah I’d obviously want him out. DC was thrown in the deep end with a team of underperforming pro’s and struggled too but Higgs gave him the summer which gave him an opportunity to make drastic changes and the rest is history. Widdrington signs the players, he was here last summer and will be here this summer so nothing will change in terms of the quality. We need a complete clear out, President, Ceo, head of recruitment and manager. Get rid of the lot of them. |
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Post by axegas on Mar 9, 2020 15:04:36 GMT
I’ve never said till Christmas. I would just like to see him given the summer so that he has an opportunity to get rid of a lot of players that have been garbage under him, bring in players that will suit the style of play he’s looking to implement and have a pre season to get them used to new tactics etc. DC was thrown in the deep end with a team of underperforming pro’s and struggled too but Higgs gave him the summer which gave him an opportunity to make drastic changes and the rest is history. DC was over a much shorter period at the end of his season and I genuinely believed him, even then. In fact the interview he gave after relegation was the best and most inspiring interview I have ever heard from a Rovers manager. BG I just can't buy into at all, there may be a place for him in football but I don't believe he is a football manager. PR doesn’t win football matches ultimately, Garners not very good at it though you’re right. I was just trying to illustrate the effects that a summer can have on the footballing prospects of a squad of players. |
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Post by axegas on Mar 9, 2020 15:09:58 GMT
I’ve never said till Christmas. I would just like to see him given the summer so that he has an opportunity to get rid of a lot of players that have been garbage under him, bring in players that will suit the style of play he’s looking to implement and have a pre season to get them used to new tactics etc. If we are still sh** after that then yeah I’d obviously want him out. DC was thrown in the deep end with a team of underperforming pro’s and struggled too but Higgs gave him the summer which gave him an opportunity to make drastic changes and the rest is history. Widdrington signs the players, he was here last summer and will be here this summer so nothing will change in terms of the quality. We need a complete clear out, President, Ceo, head of recruitment and manager. Get rid of the lot of them. Widdrington doesn’t sign the players, he’s in charge of compiling the shortlist based on the managers specific needs and wants, once the shortlist is completed, the manager will then pick out the individuals he wants to target and might even go and see them himself. There’s been a fair difference in the profile of player Coughlan signed to that of which Garner has signed so far for instance. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 15:14:17 GMT
Widdrington signs the players, he was here last summer and will be here this summer so nothing will change in terms of the quality. We need a complete clear out, President, Ceo, head of recruitment and manager. Get rid of the lot of them. Widdrington doesn’t sign the players, he’s in charge of compiling the shortlist based on the managers specific needs and wants the shortlist is completed, the manager will then pick out the individuals he wants to target and might even go and see them himself. There’s been a fair difference in the profile of player Coughlan signed to that of which Garner has signed so far for instance. A difference in terms of age granted, yet somehow we have still signed a fat lad who was fat two years ago when our HoR was at Coventry. You would think a lesson had been learnt there. Also Abraham doesn’t seem to be cut out for league football, Harries is a liability, there isn’t much there to show that whilst the remit might have changed that the eye for spotting a player has improved too. I’m sure if we put more resources into scouting in light of slimming down the playing budget we could do a lot better for ourselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 15:17:29 GMT
See Sky bet offering 150-1 on Gas relegation. I know I shouldn't but think I might...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 15:19:26 GMT
Widdrington doesn’t sign the players, he’s in charge of compiling the shortlist based on the managers specific needs and wants the shortlist is completed, the manager will then pick out the individuals he wants to target and might even go and see them himself. There’s been a fair difference in the profile of player Coughlan signed to that of which Garner has signed so far for instance. A difference in terms of age granted, yet somehow we have still signed a fat lad who was fat two years ago when our HoR was at Coventry. You would think a lesson had been learnt there. Also Abraham doesn’t seem to be cut out for league football, Harries is a liability, there isn’t much there to show that whilst the remit might have changed that the eye for spotting a player has improved too. I’m sure if we put more resources into scouting in light of slimming down the playing budget we could do a lot better for ourselves. Wages....youngsters are a lot cheaper? |
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Post by axegas on Mar 9, 2020 15:25:30 GMT
Widdrington doesn’t sign the players, he’s in charge of compiling the shortlist based on the managers specific needs and wants the shortlist is completed, the manager will then pick out the individuals he wants to target and might even go and see them himself. There’s been a fair difference in the profile of player Coughlan signed to that of which Garner has signed so far for instance. A difference in terms of age granted, yet somehow we have still signed a fat lad who was fat two years ago when our HoR was at Coventry. You would think a lesson had been learnt there. Also Abraham doesn’t seem to be cut out for league football, Harries is a liability, there isn’t much there to show that whilst the remit might have changed that the eye for spotting a player has improved too. I’m sure if we put more resources into scouting in light of slimming down the playing budget we could do a lot better for ourselves. I don’t think our recruitment in January was as bad as everyone has made it out to be. Blackman has been an excellent replacement for Jaakkola. Mitchell-Lawson and Ginnelly have proved themselves to be good L1 wingers, they’ve perhaps underperformed here or there but on the whole I think they’ve been decent. Daly looks like a good prospect too, sounds like he worked hard on Saturday. The jury is still out on Harries, he hasn’t featured much and I haven’t personally seen him yet. Abraham and Barrett are the only signings that have question marks over their heads. I get the impression Abraham is only here to give us cover and has only been thrust into action a couple of times due to injuries to Daly and Reilly. Barrett is a talent but an overweight one, get him fit and he could still be an asset for us, we shouldn’t write him off yet. The new lads haven’t been helped by existing players such as Leahy, Upson and Clarke massively underperforming and the growing injury list that is hindering us too. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 9, 2020 15:36:58 GMT
We are sh**e but we’re not going down..... at least not this season anyway.
All this scaremongering is getting a bit much now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 15:38:15 GMT
A difference in terms of age granted, yet somehow we have still signed a fat lad who was fat two years ago when our HoR was at Coventry. You would think a lesson had been learnt there. Also Abraham doesn’t seem to be cut out for league football, Harries is a liability, there isn’t much there to show that whilst the remit might have changed that the eye for spotting a player has improved too. I’m sure if we put more resources into scouting in light of slimming down the playing budget we could do a lot better for ourselves. I don’t think our recruitment in January was as bad as everyone has made it out to be. Blackman has been an excellent replacement for Jaakkola. Mitchell-Lawson and Ginnelly have proved themselves to be good L1 wingers, they’ve perhaps underperformed here or there but on the whole I think they’ve been decent. Daly looks like a good prospect too, sounds like he worked hard on Saturday. The jury is still out on Harries, he hasn’t featured much and I haven’t personally seen him yet. Abraham and Barrett are the only signings that have question marks over their heads. I get the impression Abraham is only here to give us cover and has only been thrust into action a couple of times due to injuries to Daly and Reilly. Barrett is a talent but an overweight one, get him fit and he could still be an asset for us, we shouldn’t write him off yet. The new lads haven’t been helped by existing players such as Leahy, Upson and Clarke massively underperforming and the growing injury list that is hindering us too. Gastric band worked a miracle for Nick Day...might be worth a try if all else fails? |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 9, 2020 15:39:24 GMT
See Sky bet offering 150-1 on Gas relegation. I know I shouldn't but think I might... got to put a £10 on that me thinks |
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Post by axegas on Mar 9, 2020 15:41:04 GMT
I will say one thing though, thank f**k we fluked that win against Blackpool. We’d be in even more trouble without it.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 9, 2020 15:42:36 GMT
I don’t think our recruitment in January was as bad as everyone has made it out to be. Blackman has been an excellent replacement for Jaakkola. Mitchell-Lawson and Ginnelly have proved themselves to be good L1 wingers, they’ve perhaps underperformed here or there but on the whole I think they’ve been decent. Daly looks like a good prospect too, sounds like he worked hard on Saturday. The jury is still out on Harries, he hasn’t featured much and I haven’t personally seen him yet. Abraham and Barrett are the only signings that have question marks over their heads. I get the impression Abraham is only here to give us cover and has only been thrust into action a couple of times due to injuries to Daly and Reilly. Barrett is a talent but an overweight one, get him fit and he could still be an asset for us, we shouldn’t write him off yet. The new lads haven’t been helped by existing players such as Leahy, Upson and Clarke massively underperforming and the growing injury list that is hindering us too. Gastric band worked a miracle for Nick Day...might be worth a try if all else fails? He had a gastric Bypass a Chuffing big difference |
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Post by clockendgas on Mar 9, 2020 15:48:58 GMT
See Sky bet offering 150-1 on Gas relegation. I know I shouldn't but think I might... Now if hani was to stick a million on and we go down, training ground and stadium sorted. |
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Post by LJG on Mar 9, 2020 15:57:30 GMT
Even with that being the case you think Garner deserves to stay until Christmas? I’ve never said till Christmas. I would just like to see him given the summer so that he has an opportunity to get rid of a lot of players that have been garbage under him, bring in players that will suit the style of play he’s looking to implement and have a pre season to get them used to new tactics etc. If we are still sh** after that then yeah I’d obviously want him out. DC was thrown in the deep end with a team of underperforming pro’s and struggled too but Higgs gave him the summer which gave him an opportunity to make drastic changes and the rest is history. DC took charge in the middle of a relegation scrap with 8 games left of the season; of which he won 2 and drew 1 thus earning only one less point than BG has in 15 league games since he took charge with us in a play-off spot. Not even vaguely comparable. Not even close. And what is with this "get rid of players who have been sh*t" rubbish? JCH? Kilgour? Ogogo? Upson? Sercombe? Rodman? All clearly good enough for this level. All good enough to get us into 4th. We already have evidence that they are not the problem. |
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Post by LJG on Mar 9, 2020 15:58:42 GMT
I will say one thing though, thank f**k we fluked that win against Blackpool. We’d be in even more trouble without it. And yet you want BG to be allowed to continue this junk well into next season. |
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Post by RD on Mar 9, 2020 16:02:18 GMT
I don't know why people are looking for excuses when the reason is plain to see.
Garner has clearly come in, thinking he's the bees knees. He's told all and sundry the players aren't good enough, now the coaching staff aren't good enough. The bloke is so up his own arse it's unreal.
It would be one thing if we were a team of no hopers when he took over - but we were 4th in the league. To come in and tell everyone that they aren't good enough - mind blowing.
As a manager you need to inspire. You need to get the best from the tools at your disposal (as GC did remarkably well).
Instead he's come in thinking he's Pep Mark 2 and has alienated everyone at the club by effectively telling them they ain't up to it.
Horrendous man management. It doesn't matter how good a tactician you are, man management is absolutely key in the world of football management.
He is simply nowhere near capable of holding this position.
Move him on and do it now before irreparable damage is caused.
I genuinely believe Garner will lead this club to complete collapse if he is allowed to continue (yes, genuinely).
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