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Post by Qatar Gas on Mar 9, 2020 17:12:31 GMT
Surely our last 2 stints in the 4th tier would make this a foolish gamble Who knows, last time we had some great crowds with cheap players Yes only in the last season when we got promoted. Don’t forget about the dark days that we had on both occasions we were in league two (and non league) before the promotions back to league one.
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Post by axegas on Mar 9, 2020 17:16:50 GMT
I didn’t rate Leahy before Garner, I still don’t rate him now. He’s an average L2 wingback and a poor fullback. Ollie Clarke has had a shocker of a season and we were better under Coughlan when he was left out injured. Upson has been poorer since Garner has come in granted but ultimately he is responsible for his own performances and they haven’t been good enough. All three aren’t good enough to be starting in a team that wants to challenge in this division. That includes Reilly too but of course our form recently can’t be attributed to him. I’m not particularly pro Garner, I think he’s done a poor job so far. I just think now we’ve committed to him half way through the season, the right thing to do would be to give him the summer because a fresh start and radical transformation of personnel could be the catalyst to greater things. But all three are good enough to be starting in a team challenging in this division. Ask me how I know. Starting in a team challenging at the end of the season. In fact I would say that their recent form only furthers my point as it’s shown them to be inconsistent and unable to step up when the going gets tough. Clarke didn’t start too much in the first part of the season anyway as he was injured then out of favour a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 17:25:03 GMT
I didn’t rate Leahy before Garner, I still don’t rate him now. He’s an average L2 wingback and a poor fullback. Ollie Clarke has had a shocker of a season and we were better under Coughlan when he was left out injured. Upson has been poorer since Garner has come in granted but ultimately he is responsible for his own performances and they haven’t been good enough. All three aren’t good enough to be starting in a team that wants to challenge in this division. That includes Reilly too but of course our form recently can’t be attributed to him. I’m not particularly pro Garner, I think he’s done a poor job so far. I just think now we’ve committed to him half way through the season, the right thing to do would be to give him the summer because a fresh start and radical transformation of personnel could be the catalyst to greater things. But all three are good enough to be starting in a team challenging in this division. Ask me how I know. But you don’t apply that logic to Nichols though
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Post by LJG on Mar 9, 2020 17:27:18 GMT
But all three are good enough to be starting in a team challenging in this division. Ask me how I know. But you don’t apply that logic to Nichols though He can't get a game in League 2. So no.
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Post by axegas on Mar 9, 2020 17:28:43 GMT
But you don’t apply that logic to Nichols though He can't get a game in League 2. So no. So then your logic is flawed, surely?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 9, 2020 17:31:06 GMT
But all three are good enough to be starting in a team challenging in this division. Ask me how I know. Starting in a team challenging at the end of the season. In fact I would say that their recent form only furthers my point as it’s shown them to be inconsistent and unable to step up when the going gets tough. Clarke didn’t start too much in the first part of the season anyway as he was injured then out of favour a bit. Midfield has been an issue since Lines lost his way, so why sign Barrett and not the decent central midfielder we clearly needed in January? Did we really need 2 x wingers, 1 X CB, and 2 x inexperienced strikers, or 1 or 2 decent CM's?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 9, 2020 17:33:12 GMT
But you don’t apply that logic to Nichols though He can't get a game in League 2. So no. To be far probably only Blackman would get a game, even Stevenage totally outplayed us in EFL Trophy.
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Post by LJG on Mar 9, 2020 17:33:20 GMT
He can't get a game in League 2. So no. So then your logic is flawed, surely? Not really. It's pretty much the same logic. The guy who failed to do his job for 3 seasons shouldn't be here. The guy who has failed to do his job for the past 18 games shouldn't be here. Can't do job. Get rid. Same logic.
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Post by darkbluegas on Mar 9, 2020 17:40:40 GMT
Who knows, last time we had some great crowds with cheap players Yes only in the last season when we got promoted. Don’t forget about the dark days that we had on both occasions we were in league two (and non league) before the promotions back to league one. I’m not saying as a supporter it’s a great option but the long term finances are the owners only concern at the moment. I can’t imagine them shelling out £8k a week for a free agent, Andy Rammell style, to keep us up this year.
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Post by onedaygas83 on Mar 9, 2020 17:47:23 GMT
Starting in a team challenging at the end of the season. In fact I would say that their recent form only furthers my point as it’s shown them to be inconsistent and unable to step up when the going gets tough. Clarke didn’t start too much in the first part of the season anyway as he was injured then out of favour a bit. Midfield has been an issue since Lines lost his way, so why sign Barrett and not the decent central midfielder we clearly needed in January? Did we really need 2 x wingers, 1 X CB, and 2 x inexperienced strikers, or 1 or 2 decent CM's? its down the middle where we clearly lack creativity and no two wingers probably wasnt needed but I dont think we will be paying their full wages? As for Barrett I think theres a talent there for sure but what's the point in playing him if hes not up to fitness?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 17:50:11 GMT
So then your logic is flawed, surely? Not really. It's pretty much the same logic. The guy who failed to do his job for 3 seasons shouldn't be here. The guy who has failed to do his job for the past 18 games shouldn't be here. Can't do job. Get rid. Same logic. But this: “ But all three are good enough to be starting in a team challenging in this division.” Also applies to Nichols. Ask me how I know....
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Post by axegas on Mar 9, 2020 17:50:57 GMT
Starting in a team challenging at the end of the season. In fact I would say that their recent form only furthers my point as it’s shown them to be inconsistent and unable to step up when the going gets tough. Clarke didn’t start too much in the first part of the season anyway as he was injured then out of favour a bit. Midfield has been an issue since Lines lost his way, so why sign Barrett and not the decent central midfielder we clearly needed in January? Did we really need 2 x wingers, 1 X CB, and 2 x inexperienced strikers, or 1 or 2 decent CM's? I would agree midfield has been and is still is an issue. I think Barrett was signed at the time to bring a more attacking dimension to it, Ogogo and Upson work hard but play a more deeper role. Unfortunately it appears we didn’t do our homework well enough to know he was out of shape and not going to be fit for quite some time. Recruiting better midfielders in the summer has to be top of our priorities.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 17:55:21 GMT
Midfield has been an issue since Lines lost his way, so why sign Barrett and not the decent central midfielder we clearly needed in January? Did we really need 2 x wingers, 1 X CB, and 2 x inexperienced strikers, or 1 or 2 decent CM's? I would agree midfield has been and is still is an issue. I think Barrett was signed at the time to bring a more attacking dimension to it, Ogogo and Upson work hard but play a more deeper role. Unfortunately it appears we didn’t do our homework well enough to know he was out of shape and not going to be fit for quite some time. Recruiting better midfielders in the summer has to be top of our priorities. There is no excuse for not doing the homework because this was an issue when he was at Coventry. It’s like bloody Garry Kenneth all over again. Taking a punt on unfit and poor professionals thinking we can fix them when, 9 weeks later he still isn’t fit and can’t even make the squad. Fair play Widdrington has come up with one or two top quality signings but there is just as much dross. If we are serious about investing in youth as our main means of existence then we need much better than that.
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Post by axegas on Mar 9, 2020 18:03:12 GMT
I would agree midfield has been and is still is an issue. I think Barrett was signed at the time to bring a more attacking dimension to it, Ogogo and Upson work hard but play a more deeper role. Unfortunately it appears we didn’t do our homework well enough to know he was out of shape and not going to be fit for quite some time. Recruiting better midfielders in the summer has to be top of our priorities. There is no excuse for not doing the homework because this was an issue when he was at Coventry. It’s like bloody Garry Kenneth all over again. Taking a punt on unfit and poor professionals thinking we can fix them when, 9 weeks later he still isn’t fit and can’t even make the squad. Fair play Widdrington has come up with one or two top quality signings but there is just as much dross. If we are serious about investing in youth as our main means of existence then we need much better than that. I think Rovers would have known that he was a bit unfit, Widdrington recruited him at Coventry. I’m just guessing that they thought he could get into shape quicker than he has done. It’s extremely disappointing that a professional footballer, that gets paid to play football, is unavailable for selection because he’s too unfit. If was up to me, I would dock some of his wages for every week that he can’t be selected for. Tough but he needs that motivation to get into shape or else he’ll never do it. What we needed in January were players that could come in, make an instant impact and add to what we’ve already got. I think only Blackman and Mitchell-Lawson have done that so far and integral players for us like Davies and JCH have got injured making the situation worse than what it already was.
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Post by LJG on Mar 9, 2020 18:09:51 GMT
Not really. It's pretty much the same logic. The guy who failed to do his job for 3 seasons shouldn't be here. The guy who has failed to do his job for the past 18 games shouldn't be here. Can't do job. Get rid. Same logic. But this: “ But all three are good enough to be starting in a team challenging in this division.” Also applies to Nichols. Ask me how I know.... 4 goals in 3 seasons. Can't get a game in League 2. No it doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 18:13:16 GMT
There is no excuse for not doing the homework because this was an issue when he was at Coventry. It’s like bloody Garry Kenneth all over again. Taking a punt on unfit and poor professionals thinking we can fix them when, 9 weeks later he still isn’t fit and can’t even make the squad. Fair play Widdrington has come up with one or two top quality signings but there is just as much dross. If we are serious about investing in youth as our main means of existence then we need much better than that. I think Rovers would have known that he was a bit unfit, Widdrington recruited him at Coventry. I’m just guessing that they thought he could get into shape quicker than he has done. It’s extremely disappointing that a professional footballer, that gets paid to play football, is unavailable for selection because he’s too unfit. If was up to me, I would dock some of his wages for every week that he can’t be selected for. Tough but he needs that motivation to get into shape or else he’ll never do it. What we needed in January were players that could come in, make an instant impact and add to what we’ve already got. I think only Blackman and Mitchell-Lawson have done that so far and integral players for us like Davies and JCH have got injured making the situation worse than what it already was. Well yes exactly, we shouldn’t have put ourselves in this position in the first place. I can only conclude that the poster in the other thread was spot on- we probably got these players *even cheaper* because they weren’t in any condition to start a game from the off. So we are now starting to see the cracks behind the facade of our (at the time) “best transfer window ever”. It was a load of kids, who have yet to really impress and not only that some of them weren’t even in any fit state to play. And yet, apparently, this is going to be Rovers new transfer policy. What could possibly go wrong? It’s perhaps the right idea but we need to be so much better as a club in order to be an attractive proposition for the best youth. Signing unfit crap and giving them to Garner to magically turn them into multi-million pound players is doomed to fail- I absolutely guarantee it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 18:14:20 GMT
But this: “ But all three are good enough to be starting in a team challenging in this division.” Also applies to Nichols. Ask me how I know.... 4 goals in 3 seasons. Can't get a game in League 2. No it doesn't. That’s a very simplistic way of looking at it. Too simplistic.
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Post by axegas on Mar 9, 2020 18:16:36 GMT
But this: “ But all three are good enough to be starting in a team challenging in this division.” Also applies to Nichols. Ask me how I know.... 4 goals in 3 seasons. Can't get a game in League 2. No it doesn't. So there’s no logic to it then. You just adopt the argument when it suits. You don’t like Nichols so you claim that it doesn’t apply to him. Yet you claim it applies to Upson, Leahy and Clarke even though in the second half of the season all three have been exceptionally poor and shown exactly why they aren’t good enough to play for a team challenging in the top half of league one. Ok then.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Mar 9, 2020 18:16:59 GMT
Yes only in the last season when we got promoted. Don’t forget about the dark days that we had on both occasions we were in league two (and non league) before the promotions back to league one. I’m not saying as a supporter it’s a great option but the long term finances are the owners only concern at the moment. I can’t imagine them shelling out £8k a week for a free agent, Andy Rammell style, to keep us up this year. League Two is probably our level anyway. Bottom half of league two if we are talking about the off field side! So I’m sure it’s only a matter of time until we find ourselves down there again anyway!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 18:19:27 GMT
4 goals in 3 seasons. Can't get a game in League 2. No it doesn't. So there’s no logic to it then. You just adopt the argument when it suits. You don’t like Nichols so you claim that it doesn’t apply to him. Yet you claim it applies to Upson, Leahy and Clarke even though in the second half of the season all three have been exceptionally poor and shown exactly why they aren’t good enough to play for a team challenging in the top half of league one. Ok then. Yep, Upson and co will be rated on points accrued, Nichols will be rated on goals scored.
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