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Post by wilkimania on Aug 27, 2020 22:24:55 GMT
On the topic of the wage cap now and the fact that players who had existing deals only had part of their salary counted towards the cap does that mean we have only freed up just north of 1k a week and that's what we have to sign JCH's replacement with? Just trying to wrap my head around what the rules are now.
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Post by Gasshole on Aug 27, 2020 22:32:36 GMT
Relax Peeps, I’m sure Tommy’s got one in the toaster. Succession planning is key to any successful business.
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Post by hardingegas on Aug 27, 2020 22:52:04 GMT
Sad to see JCH go as he probably saved us from relegation in 2018/19 and was our only source for goals.
However, I don't think he enjoyed his time here and was never a crowd favourite, similar to the Snake in that respect.
I prefer players who show some kind of connection with the club like Lambert, Campbell, Disley, Elliott etc rather than those who are just 'passing through'.
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 27, 2020 23:00:47 GMT
On the topic of the wage cap now and the fact that players who had existing deals only had part of their salary counted towards the cap does that mean we have only freed up just north of 1k a week and that's what we have to sign JCH's replacement with? Just trying to wrap my head around what the rules are now. We should have more than that spare. It does mean that more of the budget will be used up now though.
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Post by yaz on Aug 27, 2020 23:49:30 GMT
Sad to see JCH go as he probably saved us from relegation in 2018/19 and was our only source for goals. However, I don't think he enjoyed his time here and was never a crowd favourite, similar to the Snake in that respect. I prefer players who show some kind of connection with the club like Lambert, Campbell, Disley, Elliott etc rather than those who are just 'passing through'. Agree with sad to see him go. Never a crowd favourite? I always liked him and always wanted to see him play. Passing through maybe but he certainly left a big mark in his 2 seasons here? Again, I ask, what is it worth to us being in L1 than in L2? More than a few million, I would dare say. He kept us out of L2! The points away against Scunthorpe, Gillingham, Plymouth, etc. Lambert has always been my favourite player of recent times. But to hear so many fans criticise JCH for his attitude and commitment I completely disagree with. Whatever happened away from the pitch, from what I saw on the pitch, his work rate and effort was second to none even when playing with injuries. Good luck to him; I met him in the Club bar once - a great guy! PS I sometimes wonder if I have been watching the same games as a lot of our fans? Maybe we all see things and work and play differently? For example, I always rated Telford; he was the kind of player we missed up front but was never given a real chance. If our new cache of strikers don't get going pretty quickly, we could be in trouble very quickly this season? UTG
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Post by pirate on Aug 28, 2020 1:36:48 GMT
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 28, 2020 5:44:56 GMT
In Matty Taylor and JCH we sold 95 combined goals for about £1.5M. Peterborough are selling a bloke whose scored less than 50 goals for them for £10M!!!!! And people still think we haven't had our pants pulled down. AGAIN!
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 28, 2020 5:48:08 GMT
On the topic of the wage cap now and the fact that players who had existing deals only had part of their salary counted towards the cap does that mean we have only freed up just north of 1k a week and that's what we have to sign JCH's replacement with? Just trying to wrap my head around what the rules are now. Look at it this way, at a cap of £2.5m for a maximum number of players aged 22 or over the average wage per week per player must not exceed £2,185. The total weekly wage allowance for these players is therefore £48,076. (22 x 2,185). Every one of your qualifying players under contract at the time the cap was brought in is calculated at a flat rate of £1,300. We had 21 signed up, so their weekly wage would be declared as £27,300. Effectively that meant that if we wanted we could have signed the 22nd member of the squad on £20,776 per week (48,076 less 27,300). Now we’ve sold JCH we have 20 players on the books @ £1,300 (£26,000) so that leaves £22,076 per week you could devote to the last two members of the squad so you could in theory offer them £11k a week each and still be inside the cap. In practice you’ll never do that because - a) you need to build some slack into your weekly budget for when the next round of contract extensions become due...if you’d maxed out your allowance you could only offer them a maximum of £1,300 per week to stay at the club and remain under the cap. b) if most of your players are really on between £800 - £3,500 per week they will be extremely resentful of the one player on £20,776 or the two players on £11k per week. c) because agents fees and bonuses are included in the £2,500,000 you need to factor those into your calculations so you cannot go up to the limit on basic weekly wage alone.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 28, 2020 5:50:57 GMT
JCH was great for us but never really looked like he enjoyed it or that he wanted to be here.
The fee does seem low but if he wanted out its better that we got some cash rather than JCH "doing a Bennett "
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 28, 2020 6:17:33 GMT
JCH was great for us but never really looked like he enjoyed it or that he wanted to be here. The fee does seem low but if he wanted out its better that we got some cash rather than JCH "doing a Bennett " He doesn't look any happier in his latest Insta upload in his new Peterborough shirt! JCH, or his agent, clearly chase the £'s, we'll know next summer, or even this January, who made the right decision as I sense we could match whatever Peterborough offered if we had really wanted to. Looking at the squad now I can't see any of the strikers left is guaranteed to score more than a handful of goals with just over a week to go to our first competitive game. History shows when we sell a decent striker we usually fail to replace him and eventually end up being relegated, with BG in charge that now doubles the risk of relegation this season.
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Post by rambo on Aug 28, 2020 6:35:18 GMT
On the topic of the wage cap now and the fact that players who had existing deals only had part of their salary counted towards the cap does that mean we have only freed up just north of 1k a week and that's what we have to sign JCH's replacement with? Just trying to wrap my head around what the rules are now. Look at it this way, at a cap of £2.5m for a maximum number of players aged 22 or over the average wage per week per player must not exceed £2,185. The total weekly wage allowance for these players is therefore £48,076. (22 x 2,185). Every one of your qualifying players under contract at the time the cap was brought in is calculated at a flat rate of £1,300. We had 21 signed up, so their weekly wage would be declared as £27,300. Effectively that meant that if we wanted we could have signed the 22nd member of the squad on £20,776 per week (48,076 less 27,300). Now we’ve sold JCH we have 20 players on the books @ £1,300 (£26,000) so that leaves £22,076 per week you could devote to the last two members of the squad so you could in theory offer them £11k a week each and still be inside the cap. In practice you’ll never do that because - a) you need to build some slack into your weekly budget for when the next round of contract extensions become due...if you’d maxed out your allowance you could only offer them a maximum of £1,300 per week to stay at the club and remain under the cap. b) if most of your players are really on between £800 - £3,500 per week they will be extremely resentful of the one player on £20,776 or the two players on £11k per week. c) because agents fees and bonuses are included in the £2,500,000 you need to factor those into your calculations so you cannot go up to the limit on basic weekly wage alone. Thanks Wembley, I was going to work this out and post similar so you've saved me a job! The introduction of the wage cap won't really be an issue for any side for a few years. As you've demonstrated, all clubs will be way below the max at the moment, but with each new signing and each new contract extension above £1.3k per week, the slack reduces. The more of the current squad you keep on the same contract for as long as possible, the less of a problem is becomes! That's why signing 5-6 players before the cap was introduced was smart, as if they do now stay for their 2-3 year contract, we'll have more leeway.
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Post by gassince1957 on Aug 28, 2020 7:36:42 GMT
JCH was great for us but never really looked like he enjoyed it or that he wanted to be here. The fee does seem low but if he wanted out its better that we got some cash rather than JCH "doing a Bennett " He doesn't look any happier in his latest Insta upload in his new Peterborough shirt! JCH, or his agent, clearly chase the £'s, we'll know next summer, or even this January, who made the right decision as I sense we could match whatever Peterborough offered if we had really wanted to. Looking at the squad now I can't see any of the strikers left is guaranteed to score more than a handful of goals with just over a week to go to our first competitive game. History shows when we sell a decent striker we usually fail to replace him and eventually end up being relegated, with BG in charge that now doubles the risk of relegation this season. Really? Did this come from the ONS? None of us know at this stage what effect JCH leaving will have. Perhaps we'll run rings round teams with our new passing game and not need a big target man. Perhaps not, but we really don't know at this stage do we.
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Post by oldgas on Aug 28, 2020 7:50:38 GMT
JCH was great for us but never really looked like he enjoyed it or that he wanted to be here. The fee does seem low but if he wanted out its better that we got some cash rather than JCH "doing a Bennett " He doesn't look any happier in his latest Insta upload in his new Peterborough shirt! JCH, or his agent, clearly chase the £'s, we'll know next summer, or even this January, who made the right decision as I sense we could match whatever Peterborough offered if we had really wanted to. Looking at the squad now I can't see any of the strikers left is guaranteed to score more than a handful of goals with just over a week to go to our first competitive game. History shows when we sell a decent striker we usually fail to replace him and eventually end up being relegated, with BG in charge that now doubles the risk of relegation this season. I doubt very much if we could top what Posh can offer. They have Mc F@ckface as the front man, he has money, and behind him are two wealthy backers. They also have the millions they are going to get for Tommy as well as all the other big sales they’ve made over the years to draw on, so from a financial perspective they knock us into a cocked hat. still doesn’t alter the fact they are a Banned word team in a Banned word town. It’s just that they are wealthier.
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Post by graceyboy on Aug 28, 2020 9:46:50 GMT
After a year and a half in the quarters and scoring 50 goals, I think now would be a good time to retire the no9 shirt. Maybe name a stand after him at the fruit bowl? 😂😂
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Post by simonj on Aug 28, 2020 9:49:57 GMT
In Matty Taylor and JCH we sold 95 combined goals for about £1.5M. Peterborough are selling a bloke whose scored less than 50 goals for them for £10M!!!!! And people still think we haven't had our pants pulled down. AGAIN! Snake was out of our control, JCH if true is a good fee. Scored some crackers and when he fired he was excellent, but he didn't always fire did he.
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Post by graceyboy on Aug 28, 2020 9:50:53 GMT
I don't know why everyone is so upset by this? We got £1.25m for a fairly decent league 1 striker in the last year of his contract.. He's not in the same league talent wise as the snake or Jamie cureton, Barry hayles, Marcus stewart etc. Probably as good as junior agogo or Jo kuffour. Hardly a gas legend. Fairly decent strikers come and go and if daly scores 10 goals by Christmas then JCH will be long forgotten. He was always sulky with an attitude problem. Who cares that he's gone? I don't.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Aug 28, 2020 11:09:31 GMT
In reality the fee is realistic for a L1 striker in the last year of his contract. His goals saved us from relegation but he is no legend. He didn't play enough games for us to be accorded that status.
Some strikers flourish at a club but languish at others. For whatever reason JCH flourished at Rovers but was hardly prolific elsewhere. If he was held in such high regard we would not have acquired him on a free transfer.
The issue of commitment baffles me. A friend of mine (season ticket holder at Oldham) remembers JCH as a bullying centre forward with tons of commitment but no goals. However, loads of posters on here have questioned his commitment. Sadly, I'm in that camp. Nonetheless his goals were critical to our survival in L1.
BTW my Oldham friend wished they got £1.25million for him when he went!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 28, 2020 11:17:08 GMT
In reality the fee is realistic for a L1 striker in the last year of his contract. His goals saved us from relegation but he is no legend. He didn't play enough games for us to be accorded that status. Some strikers flourish at a club but languish at others. For whatever reason JCH flourished at Rovers but was hardly prolific elsewhere. If he was held in such high regard we would not have acquired him on a free transfer. The issue of commitment baffles me. A friend of mine (season ticket holder at Oldham) remembers JCH as a bullying centre forward with tons of commitment but no goals. However, loads of posters on here have questioned his commitment. Sadly, I'm in that camp. Nonetheless his goals were critical to our survival in L1. BTW my Oldham friend wished they got £1.25million for him when he went! I dont think you can question his commitment to be fair. He always put himself about and scored regularly. Toys never came out of the pram and a decent pro. I dont think he particularly enjoyed his time with us, but he did everything (and more) we asked of him.
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Post by yaz on Aug 28, 2020 11:22:29 GMT
Commitment I find this difficult to understand. I watched most games that JCH played for us, home and away. He was an aggressive, old-fashioned type centre forward who when he had the ball, it was difficult to get it off him. He could shield 3 opposition players from the ball. His commitment on the pitch was excellent; one of the few players who criticised some of his fellow players on the pitch including the goalie for his kicking BUT also supportive of the many loanees we had, especially Tyler Smith. He also defended very well by trying to win the ball back. The only real blemish I would say was the terrible injury time goal we conceded vs Brighton at home to lose 1-2 with Murray scoring. We were 1-1 and had won a free kick near their east corner post but JCH took it quickly and lost the ball and they scored.
The pitch is the only place that counts for me as a watching fan?
Posh manager has said that one of the reasons they bought him was for his aggressiveness on the pitch?
PS I think him and Broom will have a big impact, injury permitting.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 28, 2020 11:39:07 GMT
I don't know why everyone is so upset by this? We got £1.25m for a fairly decent league 1 striker in the last year of his contract.. He's not in the same league talent wise as the snake or Jamie cureton, Barry hayles, Marcus stewart etc. Probably as good as junior agogo or Jo kuffour. Hardly a gas legend. Fairly decent strikers come and go and if daly scores 10 goals by Christmas then JCH will be long forgotten. He was always sulky with an attitude problem. Who cares that he's gone? I don't. Matty Taylor averaged roughly a goal every 1.9 games Jamie Cureton averaged a goal every 2.5 games Barry Hayles averaged a goal every 2.1 games Marcus Stewart averaged a goal every 2.6 games Junior Agogo averaged a goal every 3.1 games Jo Kuffour averaged a goal every 3.9 games JCH's goals per game ratio is the best out of all of those, with an average of a goal every 1.8 games. To say he wasn't in the same talent as those, is down to opinion, but his record doesn't lie. Also to say he was only probably as good as Agogo or Kuffour is pretty much slander IMO. If we sign an adequate replacement and show some serious intent then I may not care as much that he has gone, but if we sign another Timmy Abraham then, yeah I will care, because it will be embarrassing.
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