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Post by warehamgas on Aug 28, 2020 11:46:43 GMT
On the topic of the wage cap now and the fact that players who had existing deals only had part of their salary counted towards the cap does that mean we have only freed up just north of 1k a week and that's what we have to sign JCH's replacement with? Just trying to wrap my head around what the rules are now. Look at it this way, at a cap of £2.5m for a maximum number of players aged 22 or over the average wage per week per player must not exceed £2,185. The total weekly wage allowance for these players is therefore £48,076. (22 x 2,185). Every one of your qualifying players under contract at the time the cap was brought in is calculated at a flat rate of £1,300. We had 21 signed up, so their weekly wage would be declared as £27,300. Effectively that meant that if we wanted we could have signed the 22nd member of the squad on £20,776 per week (48,076 less 27,300). Now we’ve sold JCH we have 20 players on the books @ £1,300 (£26,000) so that leaves £22,076 per week you could devote to the last two members of the squad so you could in theory offer them £11k a week each and still be inside the cap. In practice you’ll never do that because - a) you need to build some slack into your weekly budget for when the next round of contract extensions become due...if you’d maxed out your allowance you could only offer them a maximum of £1,300 per week to stay at the club and remain under the cap. b) if most of your players are really on between £800 - £3,500 per week they will be extremely resentful of the one player on £20,776 or the two players on £11k per week. c) because agents fees and bonuses are included in the £2,500,000 you need to factor those into your calculations so you cannot go up to the limit on basic weekly wage alone. Well done Wembley, I’m presuming you’re correct. 😉 Putting it into those terms make it far easier to practically understand the salary cap. Good man. UTG!
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Post by singupgas on Aug 28, 2020 11:54:19 GMT
In Matty Taylor and JCH we sold 95 combined goals for about £1.5M. Peterborough are selling a bloke whose scored less than 50 goals for them for £10M!!!!! And people still think we haven't had our pants pulled down. AGAIN! This is exactly what I said yesterday, we could have held out until Toney left and could have asked for more know they had money to spend. We have accepted what is a low offer for a top goal scorer in the division, another good season Peterborough will sell JCH for a similar amount as Toney.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 28, 2020 12:01:40 GMT
In Matty Taylor and JCH we sold 95 combined goals for about £1.5M. Peterborough are selling a bloke whose scored less than 50 goals for them for £10M!!!!! And people still think we haven't had our pants pulled down. AGAIN! When you put it like that, statistically, it doesn’t look good, you’ve made a good point. But I guess the counter argument could be MT could have walked the summer before for nothing, that he signed a 6 months deal and we got £300k was perhaps the best we could do in the situation. And of course his destination created the meltdown. With JCH we signed him on a free and have got £1.25m (?) for him. The other important things are, players are only worth whatever someone is prepared to pay. A Championship club is or might be prepared to spend £10m (I don’t actually believe that sum btw, it’s in McAnthony’s dream) or somewhere in the £5-6m range for Toney. But it still hasn’t happened. It’s clear no one was prepared to pay that or anything near for JCH. And with a new contract on the table which he refused to sign means he would run his contract down like Lockyer. I think it was a good deal in the circumstances. I’d love to have got £3m for him but no one was prepared to pay that so in the end you deal with the real world. None of that makes it any less annoying that we’ve now got very few goals in the squad and once again we’ve lost a good player. 😢 UTG!
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 28, 2020 12:01:48 GMT
In Matty Taylor and JCH we sold 95 combined goals for about £1.5M. Peterborough are selling a bloke whose scored less than 50 goals for them for £10M!!!!! And people still think we haven't had our pants pulled down. AGAIN! This is exactly what I said yesterday, we could have held out until Toney left and could have asked for more know they had money to spend. We have accepted what is a low offer for a top goal scorer in the division, another good season Peterborough will sell JCH for a similar amount as Toney. It was pretty obvious Toney was off anyway. Gillingham lost Tom Eaves on a free last summer so at least we're doing better than they did.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 28, 2020 12:08:46 GMT
Posh paid 1 million for Mohamed Eisa who was only proven in L2 (one season).
We sell them a top L1 goalscorer (and one who has scored in the Championship) for 'apparently' just over a million. Meaning City got almost as much for a guy who hardly played for them (and scoring 0 goals), than we did for our best player.
Both same age.
If anyone's pants were pulled down it was ours - Should have held out for more imo
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Post by axegas on Aug 28, 2020 12:24:05 GMT
Posh paid 1 million for Mohamed Eisa who was only proven in L2 (one season). We sell them a top L1 goalscorer (and one who has scored in the Championship) for 'apparently' just over a million. Meaning City got almost as much for a guy who hardly played for them than we did for our best player. Both same age. If anyone pants were pulled down it was ours - Should have held out for more imo I think there is two things you’re not factoring into it though. Firstly contractual length, this means a great deal for the value of a player. JCH only had 1 year left on his deal, meaning we were under more pressure to sell and the buying club wouldn’t want to pay huge amounts for a player available for free next summer. Eisa was on a longer contract with City. Secondly JCH had told the club he wanted to leave at the start of the week and wasn’t going to sign a new deal. That further weakened our hand as we didn’t want to risk making him unhappy by rejecting bids, discontent in the dressing room is not something you particularly want when you’re just about to start a new season. In an ideal world, JCH would’ve signed a new deal, banged in 20 this season and gone to the championship next year for a lot more. However this hasn’t happened and under the circumstances I think we’ve got a fairly tidy fee for him which can be reinvested and we’ll be better for in the long run.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 28, 2020 12:33:00 GMT
Posh paid 1 million for Mohamed Eisa who was only proven in L2 (one season). We sell them a top L1 goalscorer (and one who has scored in the Championship) for 'apparently' just over a million. Meaning City got almost as much for a guy who hardly played for them than we did for our best player. Both same age. If anyone pants were pulled down it was ours - Should have held out for more imo I think there is two things you’re not factoring into it though. Firstly contractual length, this means a great deal for the value of a player. JCH only had 1 year left on his deal, meaning we were under more pressure to sell and the buying club wouldn’t want to pay huge amounts for a player available for free next summer. Eisa was on a longer contract with City. Secondly JCH had told the club he wanted to leave at the start of the week and wasn’t going to sign a new deal. That further weakened our hand as we didn’t want to risk making him unhappy by rejecting bids, discontent in the dressing room is not something you particularly want when you’re just about to start a new season. In an ideal world, JCH would’ve signed a new deal, banged in 20 this season and gone to the championship next year for a lot more. However this hasn’t happened and under the circumstances I think we’ve got a fairly tidy fee for him which can be reinvested and we’ll be better for in the long run. We'll have to agree to disagree on that. I think we are heading for a season similar to Trollopes swansong
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 28, 2020 12:33:28 GMT
Only on Gaschat can a player join for nothing, score a sh** load and make 1M profit be a bad thing
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Post by pirate on Aug 28, 2020 12:37:33 GMT
Only on Gaschat can a player join for nothing, score a sh** load and make 1M profit be a bad thing Only on Gaschat can a player score a sh** load as the league one 4th highest goalscorer for the season and get sold for 1m be a good thing.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 28, 2020 12:42:07 GMT
Only on Gaschat can a player join for nothing, score a sh** load and make 1M profit be a bad thing Only on Gaschat can a player score a sh** load as the league one 4th highest goalscorer for the season and get sold for 1m be a good thing. McNulty - another who went for a similar fee having only scored in L2. Some peeps still think 1million is a lot these days, it isnt
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Post by pirate on Aug 28, 2020 12:49:11 GMT
Only on Gaschat can a player score a sh** load as the league one 4th highest goalscorer for the season and get sold for 1m be a good thing. McNulty - another who went for a similar fee having only scored in L2. Some peeps still think 1million is a lot these days, it isnt A couple of weeks ago I half jokingly said Rovers fans would've been calling for Toney to be sold for a million if he was here and calling It a good deal, although I was probably right in fairness. Good old Topper immediately replied that £1m for Toney would've be a good deal, hence sort of proving my point! Lol.
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Post by baggins on Aug 28, 2020 12:59:29 GMT
Only on Gaschat can a player join for nothing, score a sh** load and make 1M profit be a bad thing Only on Gaschat can a player score a sh** load as the league one 4th highest goalscorer for the season and get sold for 1m be a good thing. As opposed to letting him running down his contract and leaving for nothing.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 28, 2020 13:10:21 GMT
Only on Gaschat can a player score a sh** load as the league one 4th highest goalscorer for the season and get sold for 1m be a good thing. As opposed to letting him running down his contract and leaving for nothing. I'd rather have had his goals for the season and lose him for nothing. You can never underestimate the value of a consistent goalscorer, Rovers fans should know that better than anyone. Who knows, he may have got us promoted and decided to sign a deal?
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 28, 2020 13:11:04 GMT
Only on Gaschat can a player join for nothing, score a sh** load and make 1M profit be a bad thing It's certainly better than nothing, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing. If you consider Barry Hayles was sold for £2M, 22 years ago, and then take into account how much transfer inflation has gone up in that time. £1M for our star player who has a goal every 1.8 games ratio is a pretty powder puff figure IMO.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 28, 2020 13:12:02 GMT
McNulty - another who went for a similar fee having only scored in L2. Some peeps still think 1million is a lot these days, it isnt A couple of weeks ago I half jokingly said Rovers fans would've been calling for Toney to be sold for a million if he was here and calling It a good deal, although I was probably right in fairness. Good old Topper immediately replied that £1m for Toney would've be a good deal, hence sort of proving my point! Lol. You can't argue with the facts, as a club we're useless at getting decent fees for our best players, just continually whining about it on Gaschat every time one leaves isn't going to change matters. Hopefully, seemingly pinning Kilgour down to a decent contract, will now be the start of a change for the good.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 28, 2020 13:18:58 GMT
McNulty - another who went for a similar fee having only scored in L2. Some peeps still think 1million is a lot these days, it isnt A couple of weeks ago I half jokingly said Rovers fans would've been calling for Toney to be sold for a million if he was here and calling It a good deal, although I was probably right in fairness. Good old Topper immediately replied that £1m for Toney would've be a good deal, hence sort of proving my point! Lol. There seems to be a sliding scale of valuation based on the club a player is being sold from. Certain clubs command more for their players due to the sort of owners they have in charge and their financial security, and their player sale history, size etc. Also so-called smaller clubs normally don't get top dollar for their players. I recall Blackpool getting very low offers for Charlie Adam after he had performed brilliantly for them in the Premier League. Reason? He was only playing for little Blackpool. If he'd had exactly the same sort of season but been playing for someone like West Ham, he'd have been sold for a lot more. Posh have a history of selling strikers that have gone onto to much better things, and as soon as they sell someone like Gayle or Assombalonga for £5M, they can legitimately command similar fees for the likes of Marriott and Toney. If Toney had been playing for us, clubs would not be queuing up to offer us anywhere near as much, because we don't have that recent history and our recruitment model has not been set up in the same way to buy low sell big. Maybe we will gradually transition to that, which I think is where Wael and Starnes would like us to get to.
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Post by lpgas1 on Aug 28, 2020 13:31:10 GMT
As long as we continue to sell our better players we will remain a League One selling club. Personally I would prefer we were a solid Championship club. Ferguson has answered that one for you - we are not trying to get promoted to the championship but Peterborough are. Ooops I forgot, sorry
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Post by lpgas1 on Aug 28, 2020 13:37:18 GMT
JCH was great for us but never really looked like he enjoyed it or that he wanted to be here. The fee does seem low but if he wanted out its better that we got some cash rather than JCH "doing a Bennett " His family live near Rotherham. Peterboro is a lot easier to get to
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 28, 2020 13:42:28 GMT
As opposed to letting him running down his contract and leaving for nothing. I'd rather have had his goals for the season and lose him for nothing. You can never underestimate the value of a consistent goalscorer, Rovers fans should know that better than anyone. Who knows, he may have got us promoted and decided to sign a deal? Bennett has been winding his contract down from about 3months after joining us. How many goals or assists has he got in that time? I dont want any player here that doesnt want to be here.
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Post by baggins on Aug 28, 2020 14:09:07 GMT
As opposed to letting him running down his contract and leaving for nothing. I'd rather have had his goals for the season and lose him for nothing. You can never underestimate the value of a consistent goalscorer, Rovers fans should know that better than anyone. Who knows, he may have got us promoted and decided to sign a deal? Really, you'd rather us gave up over a million pound on a "who knows"? You can tell it's not you're money you're playing with.
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