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Post by Jomo on Mar 24, 2021 10:13:11 GMT
3:39 "What we don't want to do now is to recruit managers that bring in their own philosophy and ideas that are different to ours".
4 months later...."great reset"? How does this tally coherently?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 24, 2021 10:17:01 GMT
Maybe there's a time and place for a reset? It didn't work this last 14 months, by resetting everything DC and GC worked hard for.....what makes anyone think it's going to work now?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 24, 2021 10:52:54 GMT
Maybe there's a time and place for a reset? It didn't work this last 14 months, by resetting everything DC and GC worked hard for.....what makes anyone think it's going to work now? Is anyone seriously suggesting carrying on as we are?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 24, 2021 10:56:29 GMT
3:39 "What we don't want to do now is to recruit managers that bring in their own philosophy and ideas that are different to ours". 4 months later...."great reset"? How does this tally coherently? They’ve been found out.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 24, 2021 10:58:04 GMT
Maybe there's a time and place for a reset? It didn't work this last 14 months, by resetting everything DC and GC worked hard for.....what makes anyone think it's going to work now? 14 months ago, reset what was working Now, reset what isn’t working. The club is such a mess. Under DC it was more or less a single mans vision. Now, the club is a horrible mish mashed lovechild of 5 different managers. Time for a great reset.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 24, 2021 11:00:28 GMT
3:39 "What we don't want to do now is to recruit managers that bring in their own philosophy and ideas that are different to ours". 4 months later...."great reset"? How does this tally coherently? They’ve been found out. I don't think the plan was inherently bad, I think they just entrusted it to someone who didn't know their ass from their elbow. I guess the main concern is how were they able to hand over three years of potential development and managing the club to someone who couldn't manage to lick the chocolate off a club biscuit.
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Post by Jomo on Mar 24, 2021 11:08:48 GMT
Maybe there's a time and place for a reset? It didn't work this last 14 months, by resetting everything DC and GC worked hard for.....what makes anyone think it's going to work now? 14 months ago, reset what was working Now, reset what isn’t working. The club is such a mess. Under DC it was more or less a single mans vision. Now, the club is a horrible mish mashed lovechild of 5 different managers. Time for a great reset. And then when JB leaves, time for another one.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 24, 2021 11:15:13 GMT
Maybe there's a time and place for a reset? It didn't work this last 14 months, by resetting everything DC and GC worked hard for.....what makes anyone think it's going to work now? Is anyone seriously suggesting carrying on as we are? Nope. Not carry on as we are either. But it's not binary. Surely the best policy is to take the best out of the position you're in, and discard what's hampering progression? BG tore up everything and it didn't work....learn the lessons is all I'm saying.
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Post by Blackbeard on Mar 24, 2021 11:16:01 GMT
think they need to immediately extend JB's contract
if hes all in lets have him until 2027
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 24, 2021 11:18:13 GMT
Maybe there's a time and place for a reset? It didn't work this last 14 months, by resetting everything DC and GC worked hard for.....what makes anyone think it's going to work now? 14 months ago, reset what was working Now, reset what isn’t working. The club is such a mess. Under DC it was more or less a single mans vision. Now, the club is a horrible mish mashed lovechild of 5 different managers. Time for a great reset. Yes indeed, nice evaluation. The main point I would make is to most, DC earned respect over a period of time. JAB has yet to do that with everyone here, let alone the fanbase. So, while we are kneejerking into a reset, be careful where you place the trust in the resetter...
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 24, 2021 11:18:46 GMT
I don't think the plan was inherently bad, I think they just entrusted it to someone who didn't know their ass from their elbow. I guess the main concern is how were they able to hand over three years of potential development and managing the club to someone who couldn't manage to lick the chocolate off a club biscuit. I agree the plan wasn’t entirely bad but the execution was beyond bad. I think there was a gross naivety about the situation in hand when Tisdale and possibly even when JB was hired in that it was taken for granted that everything at the club was tickety boo and the players just needed a new head coach in essence to get them performing. When I say found out, I think their ability to carry out the plan has been called into question massively, as opposed to the plan itself.
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Post by RD on Mar 24, 2021 11:22:08 GMT
- DC explicitly and openly stated there were issues behind the scenes - Coughlan I think felt there were issues behind the scenes - Tisdale said as much as he could without saying it - Now Barton has effectively said so too; why else would you need a "great reset"!
Something is seriously, seriously wrong at this football club. Can Barton sort it? Let's hope so.
As Jomo said, how on earth can we need another "great reset" only about 12-18 months on from the last one? What a shambles.
And the use of the term "great reset" concerns me - hope JB doesn't buy in to any of this Q-Anon nonsense. Certainly an odd phrase to use.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 11:22:41 GMT
Former Gillingham captain Max Ehmer publicly criticised by Bristol Rovers' new boss Joey Barton
That's the headline in the sports section of Kent online today. Does this follow that any Manager that dares speak out about the team gets sacked. I guess then that's Joeys managed Rover for the last time. (Tongue in cheek of course, because i hope not).
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 24, 2021 11:23:41 GMT
14 months ago, reset what was working Now, reset what isn’t working. The club is such a mess. Under DC it was more or less a single mans vision. Now, the club is a horrible mish mashed lovechild of 5 different managers. Time for a great reset. Yes indeed, nice evaluation. The main point I would make is to most, DC earned respect over a period of time. JAB has yet to do that with everyone here, let alone the fanbase. So, while we are kneejerking into a reset, be careful where you place the trust in the resetter... I think that’s fair - to me I think he’s the right man for the job. He is so qualified on paper for a Rovers manager it’s unreal. He has been at the highest level and experienced things as a player too (unlike a certain ex manager) so should know what’s required to get us firing up the league tables. However, if you’re a chef in a kitchen and the ingredients are mouldy, doesn’t matter how talented you are you need a great reset to start afresh. You might need to clear out your fridge, bring in some fresh quality stuff, stop using your frozen produce, and maybe kick a few chefs up the ass or out of the door altogether. It’s all a bit Kitchen Nightmares right now and I can imagine Joey making some idiot sandwiches out of some at the club Ramsay style.
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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 11:26:05 GMT
What is it with Rovers fans that the default position is to blame the woes of the world on our own club? It's always "Board out" "Sell up" blah blah blah no matter who is in charge. Been the same for the last 30 years.
The bottom line is we've got a mediocre manager who has achieved the square root of f**k all in management. Every time a new one of these shysters blows through the door we all want to turn the club upside down to suit them.
If we're going down I'd probably rather have had that fraudulent twat Tisdale in charge. At least he's achieved something down there unlike the new messiah who has done zero of note in football management. Ever.
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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 11:27:45 GMT
think they need to immediately extend JB's contract if hes all in lets have him until 2027 No thanks. I hope his contract is terminated at the end of the season. Nothing to do with him being a Special lady garden off field. He's just not very good at his job.
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Post by RD on Mar 24, 2021 11:30:28 GMT
Yes indeed, nice evaluation. The main point I would make is to most, DC earned respect over a period of time. JAB has yet to do that with everyone here, let alone the fanbase. So, while we are kneejerking into a reset, be careful where you place the trust in the resetter... I think that’s fair - to me I think he’s the right man for the job. He is so qualified on paper for a Rovers manager it’s unreal. He has been at the highest level and experienced things as a player too (unlike a certain ex manager) so should know what’s required to get us firing up the league tables. However, if you’re a chef in a kitchen and the ingredients are mouldy, doesn’t matter how talented you are you need a great reset to start afresh. You might need to clear out your fridge, bring in some fresh quality stuff, stop using your frozen produce, and maybe kick a few chefs up the ass or out of the door altogether. It’s all a bit Kitchen Nightmares right now and I can imagine Joey making some idiot sandwiches out of some at the club Ramsay style. Excellent analogy. One bit I will take on is the "he is so qualified on paper for a Rovers manager it’s unreal.". This is where I think people are getting a bit carried away. He was a top player, but that doesn't guarantee he'll be a top manager. Genuine question - would Sol Campbell have been "unreal" in terms of being qualified as a Rovers manager? He's played for England over 70 times and won numerous trophies - he had an even more successful playing career than Barton. Yet he was snubbed by many on here. Okay you can argue it's down to managerial qualities - but again, what has Barton REALLY achieved? He did pretty well at one club. Nothing more, nothing less. Campbell has done a pretty cracking job at each club he's been, all of which were in even worse situations than we find ourselves in now. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Barton won't be a great appointment. I'm just trying to understand the ideology around the whole "Barton is unbelievable, how on earth have we acquired him, my god we're punching, he will 100% keep us up" type rhetoric I've heard since his name was first mentioned. I think there is every chance he will do well here, I just don't really understand the complete certainty many posters seem to have.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 24, 2021 11:30:29 GMT
Yes indeed, nice evaluation. The main point I would make is to most, DC earned respect over a period of time. JAB has yet to do that with everyone here, let alone the fanbase. So, while we are kneejerking into a reset, be careful where you place the trust in the resetter... I think that’s fair - to me I think he’s the right man for the job. He is so qualified on paper.... I'll just stop that there because when you went on to elaborate, I totally agree.....but the qualification on paper bit applied to BG. And even though he's rubbed shoulders with some of the Premier League's most reputable, his qualifications couldn't come near how GC and for that matter DC managed things. I'm still neutral about JAB. I so want it to work, like I did with his predecessors, but until there's evidence one way or another, the principle might be right but the application might not be.....if we get it wrong again, we'll be back in non league.
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Post by pirate on Mar 24, 2021 11:41:10 GMT
What is it with Rovers fans that the default position is to blame the woes of the world on our own club? It's always "Board out" "Sell up" blah blah blah no matter who is in charge. Been the same for the last 30 years. The bottom line is we've got a mediocre manager who has achieved the square root of f**k all in management. Every time a new one of these shysters blows through the door we all want to turn the club upside down to suit them. If we're going down I'd probably rather have had that fraudulent twat Tisdale in charge. At least he's achieved something down there unlike the new messiah who has done zero of note in football management. Ever. When was the last time Bristol Rovers got into the end of season League One playoffs? 22 years or so ago. So that is one thing Barton has done that no Bristol Rovers manager has managed to achieve in over two decades.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 24, 2021 11:43:31 GMT
What is it with Rovers fans that the default position is to blame the woes of the world on our own club? It's always "Board out" "Sell up" blah blah blah no matter who is in charge. Been the same for the last 30 years. The bottom line is we've got a mediocre manager who has achieved the square root of f**k all in management. Every time a new one of these shysters blows through the door we all want to turn the club upside down to suit them. If we're going down I'd probably rather have had that fraudulent twat Tisdale in charge. At least he's achieved something down there unlike the new messiah who has done zero of note in football management. Ever. When was the last time Bristol Rovers got into the end of season League One playoffs? 22 years or so ago. So that is one thing Barton has done that no Bristol Rovers manager has managed to achieve in over two decades. Like John Ward did.
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