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Post by peterparker on Apr 24, 2021 15:25:00 GMT
I would’ve thought that if (IF) Wael has done his due diligence he will have spoken at length to Barton’s legal team who probably have a good idea of what punishment, if any, he will get handed down. Does anyone know if it’s Crown Court or Magistrates? What injuries did the chap who alleges assault against Barton have? There was a case in the Evening Post this week where a guy was convicted but spared prison because it wasn’t fair on him that the trial had been delayed so long by Covid. If there is any consistency in our legal system surely the same leniency would be shown to JB - if he is found guilty. The Post case involved a victim who has lost his vision in one eye so sounds a more serious assault as well. I didnt see that. Of course that is a possibility, but then there will the FA investigation
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Post by amgas on Apr 24, 2021 15:26:40 GMT
I might be wrong but I understand the extent of the "Actual Bodily Harm" was a chipped tooth. If he had not chipped his tooth ( and if Barton was not a football manager with past convictions ) I guess this would have never got to court. Seems like a waste of tax payers money to drag it through the court system and even more so to run up the huge bill of sending him to prison. Would have been easier for Barton to have been told to pay his dentists bill and they could have all got on with their lives.
Anyway anyone else feel that if Widdrington is going to be sacked they will wait until after the court case - Barton goes to jail Widdrington stays to oversee transition to new manager, otherwise Barton is left to get on with the job .....
Edit : The Sun at the time ( if you believe them ) suggests Stendal lost a couple of teeth but also suggested it was a "racially aggravated assault" - I assume because Stendal is German - not convinced Barton is charged with this ? I guess the circumstances will come out in court - I am sure I heard he pushed him, which of course will be different than if he punched him etc etc.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Apr 24, 2021 15:28:44 GMT
I might be wrong but I understand the extent of the "Actual Bodily Harm" was a chipped tooth. If he had not chipped his tooth ( and if Barton was not a football manager with past convictions ) I guess this would have never got to court. Seems like a waste of tax payers money to drag it through the court system and even more so to run up the huge bill of sending him to prison. Would have been easier for Barton to have been told to pay his dentists bill and they could have all got on with their lives. Anyway anyone else feel that if Widdrington is going to be sacked they will wait until after the court case - Barton goes to jail Widdrington stays to oversee transition to new manager, otherwise Barton is left to get on with the job ..... Why? he shouldn't be here with or without Barton. I dont really want him to oversee anything involving this football club ever again.
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Post by TAGas on Apr 24, 2021 15:49:27 GMT
I might be wrong but I understand the extent of the "Actual Bodily Harm" was a chipped tooth. If he had not chipped his tooth ( and if Barton was not a football manager with past convictions ) I guess this would have never got to court. Seems like a waste of tax payers money to drag it through the court system and even more so to run up the huge bill of sending him to prison. Would have been easier for Barton to have been told to pay his dentists bill and they could have all got on with their lives. Anyway anyone else feel that if Widdrington is going to be sacked they will wait until after the court case - Barton goes to jail Widdrington stays to oversee transition to new manager, otherwise Barton is left to get on with the job ..... Why? he shouldn't be here with or without Barton. I dont really want him to oversee anything involving this football club ever again. TW just needs to go ASAP end of. I can't see how Wael can have trust in him now. After watching pretty much every game this season, Barton isn't the problem give the man what he wants to do his job the best be can. Hell,if you can give Ben Garner the reins to sign who he wanted with his "philosophy" then shouldn't have no problem letting JB have a go
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 24, 2021 15:50:53 GMT
But the real problem is going all in on him and then he gets banged up/banned from football. He could absolutely be the right man, as much as I dont care for him, but we are in a sort of limbo at the moment and no one wants to discuss it Spot on. The CPS must feel they have a very strong case, and with a repeat offence it looks even worse. From a BRFC perspective we may have to be waiting for the case to be resolved before we know and players are prepared to commit to us. Limbo could be a very apt word, unfortunately and League 2 is the worse place you want to be when faced with that position. UTG!
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 24, 2021 15:52:02 GMT
I might be wrong but I understand the extent of the "Actual Bodily Harm" was a chipped tooth. If he had not chipped his tooth ( and if Barton was not a football manager with past convictions ) I guess this would have never got to court. Seems like a waste of tax payers money to drag it through the court system and even more so to run up the huge bill of sending him to prison. Would have been easier for Barton to have been told to pay his dentists bill and they could have all got on with their lives. Anyway anyone else feel that if Widdrington is going to be sacked they will wait until after the court case - Barton goes to jail Widdrington stays to oversee transition to new manager, otherwise Barton is left to get on with the job ..... Why? he shouldn't be here with or without Barton. I dont really want him to oversee anything involving this football club ever again. Why? Because someone will have to keep the football side of the club going if Barton goes to prison, Wael can hardly sack TW employ Barton's mate Eddy Jennings as DoF, then dismiss him if Barton gets sent down and have to employ our third DoF in one summer.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Apr 24, 2021 16:15:21 GMT
Why? he shouldn't be here with or without Barton. I dont really want him to oversee anything involving this football club ever again. Why? Because someone will have to keep the football side of the club going if Barton goes to prison, Wael can hardly sack TW employ Barton's mate Eddy Jennings as DoF, then dismiss him if Barton gets sent down and have to employ our third DoF in one summer. True, I guess if Barton is handling the recruitment side of things himself then Widdrington can't do a lot wrong for the next couple of months. Not sure why Widdrington would want to stay around the place when Barton has openly criticised his recruitment, especially when Wael has publicly backed the manager.
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Post by lmgas on Apr 24, 2021 16:53:40 GMT
Barton's on borrowed time. Talking himself up beyond his remit and yet has failed to do the job he was brought in to do! Hopefully Wael gives him his P45, or waits for him to get banged up so the contract can be ripped up. He's been a car crash of an appointment, it's him who has over seen us going down without a fight.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 24, 2021 17:17:44 GMT
Barton's on borrowed time. Talking himself up beyond his remit and yet has failed to do the job he was brought in to do! Hopefully Wael gives him his P45, or waits for him to get banged up so the contract can be ripped up. He's been a car crash of an appointment, it's him who has over seen us going down without a fight. We've had no "fight" since GC departed, you can't solely blame Barton for the mess created since he left.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 17:31:34 GMT
Clearly Barton is a manager and not a coach as he shows no willingness to help the kids learn and expects the best from them at all times whilst publicly writing them off. I dont know what else he expected really. He clearly condemned us to relegation a while ago and he was actually the one that showed no heart or bottle for a fight, he just gave up and spat his toys out. Wah im not getting my own way...No hard man, just a brat who gives in to the red mist. Hes showed to me he is weak mentally here, we could all have a stab at selecting a new squad but whats to show he can actually manage them? Or just sit back expecting again and it will be ok as he choose them. Wtf...
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Post by gaschat on Apr 24, 2021 17:32:43 GMT
Barton's on borrowed time. Talking himself up beyond his remit and yet has failed to do the job he was brought in to do! Hopefully Wael gives him his P45, or waits for him to get banged up so the contract can be ripped up. He's been a car crash of an appointment, it's him who has over seen us going down without a fight. We've had no "fight" since GC departed, you can't solely blame Barton for the mess created since he left. Correct but you can hold him accountable for what has happened since he arrived...and we are significantly worse than we were under Garner and Tisdale with the same players. Ignoring all of the unsavoury baggage Barton brings with him, his personal performance has been absolutely abysmal. Bartons record is the worst in the football league and if he had any class and any self awareness he would apologise and resign.
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Post by Somersetgas on Apr 24, 2021 17:33:17 GMT
I'm no lawyer but I suspect Wael will have had some dialogue with Barton's legal representatives about the possible court outcomes. Assuming he's still here next season lets get behind the guy. Give him a chance to deliver results with a squad of his creation. He's inherited a bunch of players that are the worst in the division. These players have not responded to three managers and I suspect it is for reasons of their attitude and/or ability. I think the situation has been compounded by Barton's managerial style. The players have not responded to him because they are not up to the task. There will be a mass clear out by one method or another. That will not be a bad thing. There appears to be a defeatist aura surrounding the squad and that needs to stop. These players will have relegation on their CVs.. Some of these players have been in more than one relegation team. It's time to start again. A big challenge for him will be dealing with those players still on contract who he simply does not rate. There are quite a few of those. I’d have no confidence in this club looking into anything, after all they appointed that fraud Garner who has put us in this bloody mess.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 17:34:36 GMT
But the real problem is going all in on him and then he gets banged up/banned from football. He could absolutely be the right man, as much as I dont care for him, but we are in a sort of limbo at the moment and no one wants to discuss it Spot on. The CPS must feel they have a very strong case, and with a repeat offence it looks even worse. From a BRFC perspective we may have to be waiting for the case to be resolved before we know and players are prepared to commit to us. Limbo could be a very apt word, unfortunately and League 2 is the worse place you want to be when faced with that position. UTG! At the end of the game Stendal calls JB a Dam scally. JB chases after him down the tunnel and pushes him over and he chips a tooth. He did not have to attend hospital. Even one of the Barnsley players removed one of his own tweets falsely claiming there was blood everywhere. Can't see him being sent down for that, handbags by the sound of it even considering previous. Will be surprised if Stendal even bothers turning up in court.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Apr 24, 2021 17:41:35 GMT
Not bothered so much that you had to say it twice? The court case isn’t until June right? Window opens in July I guess? I’m just of the opinion on this of waiting until something happens. One thing I’ve learnt this year is to get less involved about things that might or might not happen, rather deal with it when/if it happens. But you’re not wrong, we’d be in an awful situation and the entire appointment would be a farce. Window this summer opens on June 9th so hopefully he can get all his signings done prior to him doing Bird
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 24, 2021 17:45:05 GMT
We've had no "fight" since GC departed, you can't solely blame Barton for the mess created since he left. Correct but you can hold him accountable for what has happened since he arrived...and we are significantly worse than we were under Garner and Tisdale with the same players. Ignoring all of the unsavoury baggage Barton brings with him, his personal performance has been absolutely abysmal. Bartons record is the worst in the football league and if he had any class and any self awareness he would apologise and resign. We haven't had the same players, Ehmer, Rodman and Nicholson have all been missing, the latter probably the biggest loss. Not sure what sacking Barton and doing a lucky dip for our 4th manager this season is really going to achieve, apart from cause yet more chaos. At some point Wael has to standby his appointment and see if he can turn us around.
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Post by gashead1 on Apr 24, 2021 17:57:59 GMT
Barton has done absolutely nothing to convince me that hes the man for the job, hes said alot but done nothing imo. Court case pending as well, why o why are we giving this nutter so much power and control over our club? He talks a good game but if the summer doesnt go well then we are well and truely stuffed and in league 2 also... massive joke of a club we are. Wael will need to spend his way out of this mess! Only way! Your right about wael having to spend his way out of this, but it comes at a really bad time financially... I just can’t see the money being thrown on the table. And we all know it takes players of real grit in league two to achieve anything... players like the beard for instance.
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Post by Gassy on Apr 24, 2021 18:00:00 GMT
Not bothered so much that you had to say it twice? The court case isn’t until June right? Window opens in July I guess? I’m just of the opinion on this of waiting until something happens. One thing I’ve learnt this year is to get less involved about things that might or might not happen, rather deal with it when/if it happens. But you’re not wrong, we’d be in an awful situation and the entire appointment would be a farce. Window this summer opens on June 9th so hopefully he can get all his signings done prior to him doing Bird Cheers for that, didn’t realise it was so early this year?
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 24, 2021 18:03:55 GMT
Spot on. The CPS must feel they have a very strong case, and with a repeat offence it looks even worse. From a BRFC perspective we may have to be waiting for the case to be resolved before we know and players are prepared to commit to us. Limbo could be a very apt word, unfortunately and League 2 is the worse place you want to be when faced with that position. UTG! At the end of the game Stendal calls JB a f**king scally. JB chases after him down the tunnel and pushes him over and he chips a tooth. He did not have to attend hospital. Even one of the Barnsley players removed one of his own tweets falsely claiming there was blood everywhere. Can't see him being sent down for that, handbags by the sound of it even considering previous. Will be surprised if Stendal even bothers turning up in court. Barton's been charged with assault occasioning actual bodily harm which has a maximum sentence of 5 years imprisonment, it sounds like the CPS consider it a bit more than Barton just giving Stendel a push.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 18:08:24 GMT
At the end of the game Stendal calls JB a f**king scally. JB chases after him down the tunnel and pushes him over and he chips a tooth. He did not have to attend hospital. Even one of the Barnsley players removed one of his own tweets falsely claiming there was blood everywhere. Can't see him being sent down for that, handbags by the sound of it even considering previous. Will be surprised if Stendal even bothers turning up in court. Barton's been charged with assault occasioning actual bodily harm which has a maximum sentence of 5 years imprisonment, it sounds like the CPS consider it a bit more than Barton just giving Stendel a push. Let's wait and see.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 24, 2021 18:17:23 GMT
Spot on. The CPS must feel they have a very strong case, and with a repeat offence it looks even worse. From a BRFC perspective we may have to be waiting for the case to be resolved before we know and players are prepared to commit to us. Limbo could be a very apt word, unfortunately and League 2 is the worse place you want to be when faced with that position. UTG! At the end of the game Stendal calls JB a f**king scally. JB chases after him down the tunnel and pushes him over and he chips a tooth. He did not have to attend hospital. Even one of the Barnsley players removed one of his own tweets falsely claiming there was blood everywhere. Can't see him being sent down for that, handbags by the sound of it even considering previous. Will be surprised if Stendal even bothers turning up in court. If that’s the case bideford, then I’m surprised the CPS has wasted nearly two years and a costly court case. Perhaps it is handbags but the CPS wouldn’t carry it forward, would they if that were the case? I hope you’re right btw because we really don’t want to be messing about in the pre-season. UTG!
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